Tropes vs. Women Author Driven From Home

[thedosbox]

We agree that we've played that type of game a bunch, a whole lot. I'd love to see developers surprise me with new stories!

This, exactly. And with that sentiment, it seems a good time to leave the thread to the trolls.

 

[Subyman]

Not sure if trolling...

I would guess that men's rights activists are less concerned about Black History Month, and more concerned that women can and do claim a man abused her or their children to help get custody and subsequently greater monetary awards during a divorce proceeding, while the man is thrown in jail based on zero evidence.

Well, being white male myself. I can't complain and wouldn't want to switch to anything but who I am.

 

[Grooveriding]

I understand why it gets people so heated. I've been playing games since I was a boy and between that and working out, they are my two favourite ways to spend my free time. When some petulant whiner starts trying to draw attention to a drummed up fantasy of a high-order conspiracy against women in something I've enjoyed all my life, I get pissed off too, because I've been enjoying the medium for over 20 years and know first hand it's a pile of bull. This is the sort of reaction this individual is hoping for and what helps drive her ego-centric crusade against nothing of substance. People who feel the same way but react poorly and go off on it.

I give no credence to a small handful of game developers who have given a token nod to her. The reality is she managed to get attention on herself to the point they have to throw her a bone for PR reasons but then get back to the business of making games as they choose. And that function, the game developers being free to make games as their creativity guides them, is what needs to be protected from the lunatic fringe this individual represents.

Any wingnut can put out their dossier on the internet and find some cronies to back them up who find validation in it out of their own insecurities, biases etc. It doesn't give it any more validity. I'm not seeing anything tangible in her orchestrated rants; game makers are misogynistic for their portrayals of female characters in games, game players are for playing these games, the games with this supposed bad content will cause men to perpetrate atrocities against women ? All vapid feces. It's no different than the claims of violence in games causing people to become violent. Dysfunctional individuals will commit dysfunctional behaviour, for a game, book or other media to encourage this in someone implicitly correlates to a pre-existing dysfunction in that individual preceding the exposure. This has been shown time and again, or every kid playing CoD would be the next Columbine.

What's happened is a disturbing trend in western society to nit pick at every thing possible looking for political correctness violations. Opportunistic parasites have started capitalizing on this trend staking out their specific claim and lining their coffers by pandering to the susceptible.

She's welcome and has the right to continue to try to propagate her garbage and she'll continue to reap the fruits of what she is sewing.

 

[Nebor]

Of course all games aren't "save the girl" (god help us if they were.) But clearly, the roles in which women are cast in games have them being in need much more often than men. Look at Watch Dogs, GTA5, Bioshock Infinite, Dishonored, Thief, .... All recent huge games that I've played with the same save-the-girl mechanic.

A lot of games from my youth all the way to today have save-the-girl in them, even if it isn't central to the story line. It is very unbalanced in terms of those that have female victims versus male victims. It really is eye-opening. I've been a gamer all my life and haven't really noticed it until the issue was exposed. I've noticed myself becoming disinterested in practically every major story-driven game over the last 5 or so years, and it is because they are so stagnant in their plot.



Really? That's the answer? Go play The Sims or a sports game. So I guess you agree that there is a major problem with story-stagnation. So the only way to have an adventure is to save a girl? There are hundreds of themes, even thousands. Check out the book Plotto, plenty of plots to go around.

We agree that we've played that type of game a bunch, a whole lot. I'd love to see developers surprise me with new stories! Wouldn't you guys like to see new plots and interesting new themes? Surely you can't be against that!

I don't want to go into a whole economics lesson here, but if the market for such games existed, someone would be making them. As it is, people attempt to make those games and they fail miserably. Much like the feminists, you're trying to change something that it seems you don't really care for to begin with.

If anything I'd like to see more opportunities to rescue women in video games, particularly in RTS games.

 

[master_shake_]

This, exactly. And with that sentiment, it seems a good time to leave the thread to the trolls.

No one agrees with me and my ilk therefore they are all trolls and we are the enlightened ones.

Hey isn't that Anita in a nutshell?

 

[PrincessFrosty]

Funny how that works - i.e. topics which have no "legs" die a quick death. Point being, if mens issues in gaming were such a glaring problem, the frequency of threads would be much higher. Yet the last time I saw such a thread in PC gaming was ... never.

Yeah I guess I see your point I mean before the SJWs turned up in gaming we saw regular complaints and endless threads from women just CONSTAN...

...oh wait, no hang on that's not actual reality what so ever.

The women in gaming just blended into gaming like the rest of gamers because they loved the culture just like other gamers and those who didn't simply didn't participate. Just like every other imaginable demographic did. It's why we also didn't see frequent threads from christains saying they weren't represented in gaming, or similar from blacks or disabled people.

The divisiveness comes FROM feminism.

 

[BoberFett]

Most feminists only care about how inequality effects men when it's men keeping other men down. You'll never hear a peep from feminists when it's a woman holding an advantage over men. We get a constant barrage of feminist "news" lamenting the low percentage of female CEOs. Where's the wailing and nashing of teeth over the low percentage of female garbage workers, coal miners or crab fishers.

Modern hyperfeminists aren't concerned about inequality at all for straight white males. As far as they're concerned, those guys are privileged and need to shut and stop complaining. Black men, gay men, and black gay men of course are their allies, but white men are the enemy. People love to claim that feminists are for full equality, but I don't see it. Women or minorities may have more pressing immediate needs, but their hate towards white men dilutes the message.

 

[Grooveriding]

Modern hyperfeminists aren't concerned about inequality at all for straight white males. As far as they're concerned, those guys are privileged and need to shut and stop complaining. Black men, gay men, and black gay men of course are their allies, but white men are the enemy. People love to claim that feminists are for full equality, but I don't see it. Women or minorities may have more pressing immediate needs, but their hate towards white men dilutes the message.

And that is the most egregious result of the sort of garbage this individual and others peddle; it clutters up the landscape taking away attention and effort from real issues of inequality in society.

There are genuine problems out there that are affecting certain demographics that should get some attention, but you get the most rabid loudly screaming nuts getting in the way complaining about things as mundane as video games.

 

[PrincessFrosty]

Of course all games aren't "save the girl" (god help us if they were.) But clearly, the roles in which women are cast in games have them being in need much more often than men. Look at Watch Dogs, GTA5, Bioshock Infinite, Dishonored, Thief, .... All recent huge games that I've played with the same save-the-girl mechanic.

OK so, I tell you what, I'll take you hostage, put a gun to your head, we'll release that info the internet, wait for swat to turn up and we'll see if it's a male swat team kicking the door in to save you or if it's a female one.

Weakness in characters in video games generally reflect weakness in real life, what people like Anita fail to do is actually establish that damsels in video games as a ratio of occurrences to non-occurrences is somehow not reflected in real life.

But she's not an intellectual, she's certainly not pro-science, if she wanted to actually conclusively prove this was the case she could look at real life instances of damsels and then look at gaming and see if the trope is overplayed relative to reality or if it's not.

But she doesn't do some wide reaching statisitcal analysis of games, and then reflect that analysis in real life and then compare the two, she just cherry picks every possible damsel game she can, represent it disproportionately (well entirely) in her videos and then ASSERTS there's a problem and ASSERTS it harms women, which again isn't backed with evidence, either of her own original research nor any published and peer reviewed works of science that link negative tropes of women in video games to real world negative treatment of women.

She's extremely intellectually dishonest, she's come at the situation as a feminist firstly and merely cherry picked instances to fit her conclusion, she's not actually done any unique research.

 

[CakeMonster]

Wouldn't you guys like to see new plots and interesting new themes? Surely you can't be against that!

These people believe it's all a conspiracy to neuter and reprogram the white male, so I don't think there's much use in trying to reason with them. God forbid that someone even suggest introducing more diverse plotlines or give women characters any sort of primary agenda. They don't want the big bad conspiracy to brainwash them by even straying from the same old formula for one second.

And what's also funny is that the tactics used are:
1) Desperately trying to tarnish the messenger (AS) by repeating the same slurs about her over and over and over in order to try to make people form an opinion about her instead of watching her videos. And it clearly works since several posters have obviously no clue about what she's saying or claiming she is somewhat she isn't.
2) Labeling everyone arguing against them as "feminized", "white knights", "SJWs", terms I had to look up to find out that they come from a certain paranoid reactionary movement (hint: Elliot Rodger). The constant repetitions is indeed resemblant of brainwashing or just ad nauseum verbal pummeling.

What's happened here is that the topic has been successfully derailed and subverted into a whinefest about suppression of the white male. Not just the regular bait/switch or constant spam, but portrayed as being on topic by always making sure to include a slur about AS in every post. Its a political hijack by a marginal but rabid group.

The posts about what these people say about women are right here for everyone to see. The generalizations about women and feminism are so blatant that there should be no doubt that this is not about AS anymore. They just enjoy pummeling her because it makes them feel like they're putting her in place, but what they are doing is now openly promoting their political agenda about how suppressed the white male is and how pissed he is at everyone. And they really, really, really hate feminism.

 

[norseamd]

Not sure if trolling... I would guess that men's rights activists are less concerned about Black History Month, and more concerned that women can and do claim a man abused her or their children to help get custody and subsequently greater monetary awards during a divorce proceeding, while the man is thrown in jail based on zero evidence.

Actually no.

I was addressing the fact that other races can have their own race based celebrations and nothing is considered wrong yet if white caucasians want to try to do the same thing it is considered outright racism or some other shit.

 

[MongGrel]

I'd basically have to back up ad read the whole the thread again, but seems I had the gist of it the other day.

Seems to me she's just basically a female troll making additional income off it more or less.

 

[Nebor]

Yeah I guess I see your point I mean before the SJWs turned up in gaming we saw regular complaints and endless threads from women just CONSTAN...

...oh wait, no hang on that's not actual reality what so ever.

The women in gaming just blended into gaming like the rest of gamers because they loved the culture just like other gamers and those who didn't simply didn't participate. Just like every other imaginable demographic did. It's why we also didn't see frequent threads from christains saying they weren't represented in gaming, or similar from blacks or disabled people.

The divisiveness comes FROM feminism.

That reminds me of this ridiculous argument I got into on the Steam forum for Payday 2. It was a thread about how people with private Steam profiles are routinely kicked from games on suspicion of being cheaters. I always kick high level people with private Steam profiles from my game, because I assume they're cheaters. In my eyes, there's no legitimate reason to have a private Steam profile. All it does is keep people from seeing what games you play.

In comes GamerGirl3866 to say that she has to keep her profile private to keep from being harassed, threatened, etc. just for being a woman. I politely point out that she doesn't need a private profile, she just needs to not announce to the gaming world that she's a woman. I was immediately dog-piled for "victim blaming." Never mind the fact that neither my own, nor 95% of the other gamers on Steam have a name that gives any indication of their gender, which means that she purposely chose to advertise her gender for a reason. That was either to gain some perceived advantage (people sucking up to her,) or to draw controversy and build a victim narrative.

 

[Nebor]

These people believe it's all a conspiracy to neuter and reprogram the white male, so I don't think there's much use in trying to reason with them. God forbid that someone even suggest introducing more diverse plotlines or give women characters any sort of primary agenda. They don't want the big bad conspiracy to brainwash them by even straying from the same old formula for one second.

And what's also funny is that the tactics used are:
1) Desperately trying to tarnish the messenger (AS) by repeating the same slurs about her over and over and over in order to try to make people form an opinion about her instead of watching her videos. And it clearly works since several posters have obviously no clue about what she's saying or claiming she is somewhat she isn't.
2) Labeling everyone arguing against them as "feminized", "white knights", "SJWs", terms I had to look up to find out that they come from a certain paranoid reactionary movement (hint: Elliot Rodger). The constant repetitions is indeed resemblant of brainwashing or just ad nauseum verbal pummeling.

What's happened here is that the topic has been successfully derailed and subverted into a whinefest about suppression of the white male. Not just the regular bait/switch or constant spam, but portrayed as being on topic by always making sure to include a slur about AS in every post. Its a political hijack by a marginal but rabid group.

The posts about what these people say about women are right here for everyone to see. The generalizations about women and feminism are so blatant that there should be no doubt that this is not about AS anymore. They just enjoy pummeling her because it makes them feel like they're putting her in place, but what they are doing is now openly promoting their political agenda about how suppressed the white male is and how pissed he is at everyone. And they really, really, really hate feminism.

Just like dosbox, you've realized that you're on the losing side of the argument and have resorted to name calling. When only 3 people in the entire thread agree with AS, it's not a "marginal but rabid group." It's the gaming community. We like video games. We don't like being made out to be bad guys. And we really, really, really hate it when you make us out to be bad guys in an attempt to ruin our video games forever.

 

[BoberFett]

These people believe it's all a conspiracy to neuter and reprogram the white male, so I don't think there's much use in trying to reason with them. God forbid that someone even suggest introducing more diverse plotlines or give women characters any sort of primary agenda. They don't want the big bad conspiracy to brainwash them by even straying from the same old formula for one second.

And what's also funny is that the tactics used are:
1) Desperately trying to tarnish the messenger (AS) by repeating the same slurs about her over and over and over in order to try to make people form an opinion about her instead of watching her videos. And it clearly works since several posters have obviously no clue about what she's saying or claiming she is somewhat she isn't.
2) Labeling everyone arguing against them as "feminized", "white knights", "SJWs", terms I had to look up to find out that they come from a certain paranoid reactionary movement (hint: Elliot Rodger). The constant repetitions is indeed resemblant of brainwashing or just ad nauseum verbal pummeling.

What's happened here is that the topic has been successfully derailed and subverted into a whinefest about suppression of the white male. Not just the regular bait/switch or constant spam, but portrayed as being on topic by always making sure to include a slur about AS in every post. Its a political hijack by a marginal but rabid group.

The posts about what these people say about women are right here for everyone to see. The generalizations about women and feminism are so blatant that there should be no doubt that this is not about AS anymore. They just enjoy pummeling her because it makes them feel like they're putting her in place, but what they are doing is now openly promoting their political agenda about how suppressed the white male is and how pissed he is at everyone. And they really, really, really hate feminism.

And here he is, the quintessential SJW at work:

- Claim you're right and anybody who disagrees with you is crazy and can't be reasoned with
- Claim oppression by saying others are badmouthing you, because while your criticism of others is valid, anybody criticizing you is a bully
- Claim other people are big meanies, calling you names
- Claim that the topic is derailed, which means that it's not following the agenda you want, because apparently you own the conversation

 

[Nebor]

And here he is, the quintessential SJW at work:

- Claim you're right and anybody who disagrees with you is crazy and can't be reasoned with
- Claim oppression by saying others are badmouthing you, because while your criticism of others is valid, anybody criticizing you is a bully
- Claim other people are big meanies, calling you names
- Claim that the topic is derailed, which means that it's not following the agenda you want, because apparently you own the conversation

You're clearly used to dealing with these people. Good summary. :thumbsup:

 

[cmdrdredd]

In comes GamerGirl3866 to say that she has to keep her profile private to keep from being harassed, threatened, etc. just for being a woman. I politely point out that she doesn't need a private profile, she just needs to not announce to the gaming world that she's a woman. I was immediately dog-piled for "victim blaming." Never mind the fact that neither my own, nor 95% of the other gamers on Steam have a name that gives any indication of their gender, which means that she purposely chose to advertise her gender for a reason. That was either to gain some perceived advantage (people sucking up to her,) or to draw controversy and build a victim narrative.

Oh man I hate that crap so much. It doesn't matter what you are. Why do you have to announce it and then act like a victim? Just play the game and nobody will give a crap. That goes for any race, gender, or sexual orientation. When you announce it to the world like you're on some sort of mission to tell everyone, you invite the type of response you don't want. Keep it to yourself and all is well. The only way anyone will know you're a woman is if you use voice chat and even then some people might not even notice. However, the minute you change your name to something like GamerGrrrl814 you will get the type of negative attention that makes you want to stop playing. You should know this and acting naive to this fact is just sad IMO. They are trying to get attention and they just didn't like the type of attention a couple trolls on the internet had in mind.

 

[CakeMonster]

And here he is, the quintessential SJW at work:

Right, and who is predictable here? Really, its the same every time. Use predefined labels for anyone even daring to suggest that they agree that games could benefit from more diversity. They must be silenced and categorized immediately before anyone listens apparently...

While claiming like was just done that there is an agenda "ruin our games forever"? Really? Trust me, the violent, male-centric games with sexy females as decorations are not going away (nor do I want them to). But you're trying to fool people into thinking that there can't be new ideas introduced or different games/plots made because that would ruin everything? That is basically the definition of paranoid.

Read up a bit and you can see why AS and others react in the first place. There are tons of blanket statements here of the type that "women are", "women do", reducing all women to supposedly have the same agenda or interests. When moods cool down, you should scroll back up and you will find lots of statements from the crowd that you support here that you probably would not want to defend.

Just drop the "white male rights" hijack and the completely irrelevant slurs about AS and there could be actually be a useful conversation to be had again.

 

[SMOGZINN]

Is there a problem with some assholes online? Absolutely. But the social justice warriors try to characterize it as a far larger than it is. It's likely the 80/20 rule in effect.

I have two gamer girls in my house, both who love to play video games on PC and consoles. And I can tell you from personal experience from playing online games with them that it is more then 'some assholes' it is a overwhelming stream of vitriol. It is so bad that both of them had removed their microphones and changed their gamertags to non-feminine names just to stop being harassed constantly. This is not a sometimes problem. This is EVERY time they play any game. Funny thing is, the day they did that the harassment stopped. Sure there is still some smack talk in game, but the quality and vitriol went from 11 to maybe 3.

She has the right to criticize anything she wants without being bullied and harrassed, but apparently nobody is allowed to criticize in return. Even people who criticize these feminists in a calm, rational manner are shouted down and called rape culture apologists. These hyperfeminists aren't interested in discussion.

So, just to make sure I have this right. She can criticize what she wants, and people can criticize her criticizing what she wants, but it is wrong to criticize the people criticizing her for criticizing what she wants? That is where free speech ends?
When someone makes a comment, and someone comments back, and that elicits more comments, that is a discussion. That is what we are having here. And notice that it is not the people who think that misogyny is a major problem in video games, and the internet in general, that is being over-reactionary and resorting to calling names with no real argument, it is the anti-feminists.

This discussion prompted me to do a lot of reading/watching over the long weekend, and learning more about Anita Sarkeesian led to reading about the events around Elevatorgate and Atheism+, and I more firmly than ever believe that these shrill feminists are horrible people. These Social Justice Warriors are a cult.

I honestly know very little about Anita Sarkeesian, I've seen one of her video's and thought that she had a point, even if some of her reasoning is dubious and she sees monsters in every shadow.

 

[PrincessFrosty]

In comes GamerGirl3866 to say that she has to keep her profile private to keep from being harassed, threatened, etc. just for being a woman. I politely point out that she doesn't need a private profile, she just needs to not announce to the gaming world that she's a woman. I was immediately dog-piled for "victim blaming." Never mind the fact that neither my own, nor 95% of the other gamers on Steam have a name that gives any indication of their gender, which means that she purposely chose to advertise her gender for a reason. That was either to gain some perceived advantage (people sucking up to her,) or to draw controversy and build a victim narrative.

It's certainly true to say that some people (note: PEOPLE, not just women) get negative attention from gamers by being either attention whores or just irritating or whatever, and there is a class of gamer girl who comes in and is like "grrrrl gamer pwrrrrr we're just as good as boys - give me attention" and everyone else (men and women alike) are just trying to game and find it annoying. Admittedly those attention whores usually get trashed, but again not particularly unique to women.

But more fundamentally, a good test is to gender flip the narrative. In your example this works perfectly, what is expected of a man in that context becomes an attack against a woman. Where's the "equality" in that?

And here he is, the quintessential SJW at work:

- Claim you're right and anybody who disagrees with you is crazy and can't be reasoned with
- Claim oppression by saying others are badmouthing you, because while your criticism of others is valid, anybody criticizing you is a bully
- Claim other people are big meanies, calling you names
- Claim that the topic is derailed, which means that it's not following the agenda you want, because apparently you own the conversation

Bingo, and this is the same narrative that Antia and her cohorts spin themselves, suppress legitimate criticism as hatred or misogyny.

Right, and who is predictable here? Really, its the same every time. Use predefined labels for anyone even daring to suggest that they agree that games could benefit from more diversity. They must be silenced and categorized immediately before anyone listens apparently...

The hilarious thing is that feminists and SJWs are ALWAYS pushing equality.

Equality
Equality
Equality

Men and women are equal.

But wait, we need women in gaming to provide insight that men don't have.

Y'know...'cause we're so equal...

It'd be really hilarious, if it wasn't so tragic.

 

[norseamd]

I have two gamer girls in my house, both who love to play video games on PC and consoles. And I can tell you from personal experience from playing online games with them that it is more then 'some assholes' it is a overwhelming stream of vitriol. It is so bad that both of them had removed their microphones and changed their gamertags to non-feminine names just to stop being harassed constantly. This is not a sometimes problem. This is EVERY time they play any game. Funny thing is, the day they did that the harassment stopped. Sure there is still some smack talk in game, but the quality and vitriol went from 11 to maybe 3.

Well I agree with you that there are problems with the video game industry and culture you are allowing the experiences of you and your family to cloud the judgement of your own opinion of Zoe Quinn and Anita Sarkeesian. They are nothing but dishonest cockroaches who are using politics and FUD to try to further themselves and their vitriol.

False cause concerning the validity of Anita Sarkeesian.

Edit: odd that I also used the word vitriol without reading your whole comment.

 

[Nebor]

Right, and who is predictable here? Really, its the same every time. Use predefined labels for anyone even daring to suggest that they agree that games could benefit from more diversity. They must be silenced and categorized immediately before anyone listens apparently...

While claiming like was just done that there is an agenda "ruin our games forever"? Really? Trust me, the violent, male-centric games with sexy females as decorations are not going away (nor do I want them to). But you're trying to fool people into thinking that there can't be new ideas introduced or different games/plots made because that would ruin everything? That is basically the definition of paranoid.

Read up a bit and you can see why AS and others react in the first place. There are tons of blanket statements here of the type that "women are", "women do", reducing all women to supposedly have the same agenda or interests. When moods cool down, you should scroll back up and you will find lots of statements from the crowd that you support here that you probably would not want to defend.

Just drop the "white male rights" hijack and the completely irrelevant slurs about AS and there could be actually be a useful conversation to be had again.

Did you read the Encyclopedia Dramatica on AS yet? Because she's been caught lying repeatedly at this point. She's just in it for the attention & money.

As far as diversity in games, it doesn't take an aromantic Bisexual genderfluid genderqueer intersex pansexual polyamorous rainbow ponykin to make a new kind of game, and the fact that they are personally "diverse" doesn't make their games any more deserving of accolades or attention. There are plenty of new kinds of games out there right now, OR you could even vote for your favorites to be made on Steam Greenlight.

But I bet you're too busy playing Depression Quest, because it's just so, so good and diverse. Right? Well when you finish, I recommend you check out the sequels, Oppression Quest and Slut Quest. They are just as diverse and feature the same riveting game play as Depression Quest.

 

[Nebor]

Well I agree with you that there are problems with the video game industry and culture you are allowing the experiences of you and your family to cloud the judgement of your own opinion of Zoe Quinn and Anita Sarkeesian. They are nothing but dishonest cockroaches who are using politics and FUD to try to further themselves and their vitriol.

False cause concerning the validity of Anita Sarkeesian.

Edit: odd that I also used the word vitriol without reading your whole comment.

Exactly. I have no problem with women designing video games. None! But the people holding themselves out as champions for the cause are scumbags, and the good female developers are having nothing to do with them and their gender-politic garbage. They're too busy, you know, designing actual video games.

 

[Nebor]

I have two gamer girls in my house, both who love to play video games on PC and consoles. And I can tell you from personal experience from playing online games with them that it is more then 'some assholes' it is a overwhelming stream of vitriol. It is so bad that both of them had removed their microphones and changed their gamertags to non-feminine names just to stop being harassed constantly. This is not a sometimes problem. This is EVERY time they play any game. Funny thing is, the day they did that the harassment stopped. Sure there is still some smack talk in game, but the quality and vitriol went from 11 to maybe 3.

I also use a gender-neutral gamertag and avoid talking on the microphone. Seems fair to me. I might even say "equal."

 

[Dumac]

Anita is a (brilliant) hack who abuses real issues in order to gain profit. I have zero respect for her, and as some of you may know on this board, I am very sympathetic to the feminist cause.

The people who threaten her are low-life idiots, but how this is all being handled just shows how warped the industry and media have become about these issues. Anyone arguing a contrary point to the current insular hivemind is labeled as a hater and lumped in with brainless scumbags who do things like send death threats. Anita and media writer who support her plug their eyes and say "lalala I'm not listening to you sexist hater" and use drama as distraction from actual issues while they continue to promote their own selfish agenda.

The same thing happened with Zoe Quinn incident. Rather than being about the shady behavior of the video game industry, it became about Zoe Quinn's victimization and the sexist trolls were raised into the spotlight to do so.