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Nebor

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Credibility, perhaps? Did the death threats to the CoD developer include, say, his home address?

The threats against this chick aren't credible at all. Encyclopedia Dramatica proves that she fabricated them.

BTW, for those of you totally unfamiliar with the legal system, if you receive legitimate death threats, you can be afforded an order of protection, a temporary police guard, not to mention that since threatening people's lives is a serious crime, the police will find the responsible individual and charge them. The reason that has never happened in the saga of Zoe Quinn, Anita Sarkeesian or any of the other "victimized" feminists on the internet? Because if it's discovered that you fabricated the whole thing, you're not just charged with a crime, you're forced to pay for the wasted police effort.

I mean, seriously, do you white knights not wonder why the police aren't involved in all these oh-so-serious death threats against your fair ladies?
 

CakeMonster

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Nebor, are you capable of making one post about the subject without dismissing everyone not buying your anti-feminist crusade as "white knight suckers"? You seem extremely preoccupied with the labeling of everyone who dares criticize your dislike for feminism. The numerous posts you make in this thread all come down to namecalling of Sarkeesian or everyone who even remotely agrees with her. It seems to me that you should be able to make your case about this particular topic without trashing feminism and using derogatory terms about its supporters is each and every post.
 

Grooveriding

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Her videos are perfectly reasonable. She is right to the point, lucid, calm, she defines her terms and use plenty of examples. She is on topic and doesn't even mention the threats or discussion around it all.

In your opinion

Which once recognized, negates the rest of your post as supposition.
 

CakeMonster

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In your opinion

Which once recognized, negates the rest of your post as supposition.

I guess the ad nauseum repeated characterizations of her in this thread as "evil", "vile", "crazy" and her videos as "excrement" and "feces" can be filed under supposition too then.
 

Grooveriding

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I guess the ad nauseum repeated characterizations of her in this thread as "evil", "vile", "crazy" and her videos as "excrement" and "feces" can be filed under supposition too then.

You are suffering comprehension failure. You need to understand the difference between blanket labels to define an individual in their entirety, and labels that distinguish certain opinions and viewpoints as immature, asinine and indeed not worth more than feces.
 

SMOGZINN

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That isn't useful. That's just being a professional victim. They're profiting from it. Sorry, I don't think that's a worthwhile pursuit. They're creating and feeding the problem that they're supposedly trying to solve.

They are not creating or feeding the problem. The problem is there. They are the victim of it. You are trying to blame the victim for other peoples actions, probably because you are a perpetrator of those action and are trying to justify your sexual harassment of women by claiming that they were asking for it.

Do you deny that there is a problem with people being misogynistic asshats on the internet, especially surrounding video games?

Do you deny that she has every right to criticize video games, and video game players for being insensitive to feminist issues?

Do you deny that she has the right to do all this with out being harassed, bullied, and threatened?

Which of these things do you have a problem with?
 

Aikouka

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Do you deny that there is a problem with people being misogynistic asshats on the internet, especially surrounding video games?

Made that a bit more accurate for you. :p I think that there are some people on the Internet that tend to be way too reactionary to things, and I don't think that only includes those that resort to vile ways of expressing themselves. I remember discussing this same problem in the Console forums with regard to the (now) ex-Microsoft employee. In that case, people got raging mad over one dude's opinion on a debate that was based purely upon speculation and proposed leaks.

It's all flippin' pathetic. We've turned into irrational beings that have such vapid lives that we need to latch onto some cause to feel any sense of worth. I blame reality TV! :p

Which of these things do you have a problem with?

At least from what I've gathered in reading this thread, most problems seem to stem from their belief that Sarkeesian is making an unfair portrayal of the games in question.
 

Nebor

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They are not creating or feeding the problem. The problem is there. They are the victim of it. You are trying to blame the victim for other peoples actions, probably because you are a perpetrator of those action and are trying to justify your sexual harassment of women by claiming that they were asking for it.

Do you deny that there is a problem with people being misogynistic asshats on the internet, especially surrounding video games?

Do you deny that she has every right to criticize video games, and video game players for being insensitive to feminist issues?

Do you deny that she has the right to do all this with out being harassed, bullied, and threatened?

Which of these things do you have a problem with?

I think that most feminist activists paint any criticism whatsoever as misogyny. I don't think there is a particular problem (in that it's something that's possible or desirable to correct) with the internet or video games. The internet is the internet, and video games are video games. If you don't like them, don't use them. Don't try to force them to change to suit you, especially if you have no actual interest in them, but instead just want to use them to build up your victim persona. This is akin to saying strip clubs are misogynistic, and need to change in order to accommodate their female customers. The difference is that the people that own, operate, work at and frequent strip clubs wouldn't entertain their bullshit for a split second, whereas the thirsty dudes playing video games (and apparently the very thirsty dudes writing video game reviews) are willing to entertain their nonsense because it's the closest they'll ever get to female validation.

She's welcome to say whatever she wants about whatever she wants. Of course, I'd say she has as much credibility talking about video games as she does the mission to mars or counter-insurgency tactics.

I don't agree that she has the right to talk about anything without expecting criticism. Harassment, bullying and threats are all valid forms of criticism that every person in the public view deals with constantly, and most men deal with constantly in the normal course of their professional lives. The problem is that women tend to view any type of criticism as undeserved, and a personal attack on them as a person. Even female managers observe this in all of their female employees. No one has the right to be free of bullying, harassment, criticism, threats, bad feelings, thunderstorms or toe-stubbings. The world is not guaranteed to be safe for anyone. Nor are you entitled to feel comfortable and happy all the time. And when you purposely put yourself out for all the world to see, you certainly should expect plenty of all of those things (especially thunderstorms.)

Now if you'll excuse me, my girlfriend's ankle bracelet is indicating she's left the kitchen, so I need to go straighten her out. /s :rolleyes:
 

Aikouka

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I don't agree that she has the right to talk about anything without expecting criticism. Harassment, bullying and threats are all valid forms of criticism that every person in the public view deals with constantly, and most men deal with constantly in the normal course of their professional lives. The problem is that women tend to view any type of criticism as undeserved, and a personal attack on them as a person. Even female managers observe this in all of their female employees. No one has the right to be free of bullying, harassment, criticism, threats, bad feelings, thunderstorms or toe-stubbings. The world is not guaranteed to be safe for anyone. Nor are you entitled to feel comfortable and happy all the time. And when you purposely put yourself out for all the world to see, you certainly should expect plenty of all of those things (especially thunderstorms.)

What!? Harassment, bullying and threats may arguably be valid forms of criticism, they should never be acceptable forms!! Didn't your mother ever teach you the phrase, "If you have nothing nice to say, don't say anything at all."? :p
 

cmdrdredd

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What!? Harassment, bullying and threats may arguably be valid forms of criticism, they should never be acceptable forms!! Didn't your mother ever teach you the phrase, "If you have nothing nice to say, don't say anything at all."? :p

Right but I reserve the right to say "your game sucks and you're an idiot" at my discretion. That may be harassment in someone's book, but in my book it's just an opinion.

This whole thing has blown up and all the hate seems to be thrown back at gamers in general. That is pissing a lot of people off. They are starting to generalize and lump everyone in the same group. Just look at the open letter to the gaming community. Look at how some people have threatened TotalBiscuit about removing his game reviews illegally, how some supposed professionals are calling gamers losers and worse. This whole thing comes from a very small portion of people who play games. It isn't being reported this way though. You'd think that the gaming industry is imploding as we speak based on how biased the articles regarding this type of thing are. There's literally millions of people who have absolutely no clue that this is a thing now. They'll continue playing TF, LOL, Pokemon, CS, CoD, Titanfall, maybe buy Destiny next week, maybe buy a new console this year and play a bunch of free indie games. They'll never have clue that some of the people who write game reviews and articles and develop games think they are scum right now. When you see people writing articles titled "The End of Gamers" you know there's a one sided view being pushed. Everything has been thrown out there except the race card at this point and I am ashamed of gaming journalists and developers for actually agreeing with the generalizations presented. The real problem for me is someone who just treats this as a job, and isn't in it for the love of gaming, makes accusations about the gaming community and then can't understand why people don't agree. If you aren't a gamer, aren't someone who enjoys playing video games, you should not be reporting on the industry or making any remarks about the games themselves.
 
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PrincessFrosty

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Well, you can add the Saints Row Developers to the list you won't want to support then:

https://twitter.com/SteveJaros/status/504227522423185409

The people being targeted with death threats and rape are the bullies? Huh.

It's not logical to say that someone is not a bully because they themselves are bullied, this is simply emotional white knighting. You wouldn't say "hey that man coercing a woman isn't a bully because he himself was bullied by another woman", you'd hold him accountable for his actions regardless.

Yes she's a bully, most radical feminists are. They lie to create what's called a threat narrative which is where they invent a boogeyman, normally white CIS males. Then they basically run a smear campaign against these men using lies and emotional manipulation, in the case of Antia she's accusing men of harming women by simply playing games.

Once they've deliberately created a backlash they use a minority of hateful and troll like replies to misrepresent the entire industry as hateful, which is woefully wrong and deliberately deceptive. Then they use that hate speech to stifle and kind of dissenting thoughts or critism of their own work. Anita has has her pseudo science debunked all over youtube in calm and reasonable manner by many skeptics and critical thinkers, as well as gamers, yet their arguments go dismissed by media at large.

Then she posts a few angry threatening tweets which lets face it, practically anyone with a twitter account and more than 1k followers gets anyway and suddenly that's news worthy, not even kidding but this story is running on BBC right now.

And all that, that's not feminist bullying tactics, but someone telling her to go throw herself through a plate glass windows, or whatever, that's bullying? Give me a fucking break.

And yeah, the idiots in the Saints Row development team have lost my sale in future for proving they're part of the problem here. The only good game they've made is Saints row 3 anyway, the rest are naff console trash.

As we can't link to the original, here's kotaku's story:

http://kotaku.com/over-600-game-creators-call-for-an-end-to-hateful-har-1629371868

Long list, but there are names from Ubisoft, EA, Blizzard, Infinity Ward, Rockstar, Bungie, Volition & DICE in there. I guess that's a few more studios the haters can stop buying games from.

One interesting thing to note here is just how many comments in the petition are actually angry gamers who are opposing being called misogynists because they like playing games, and that they're angry that debunking people like Anita even in a polite manner is seen as hateful. All part of the feminist threat narrative, it's the straight white CIS male who want to come in an oppress the poor women who, boohoo.

In fact boogie made a video on the issue of feminism in gaming prior to this and said he was sick of it all being labelled a misogynist for simply doing what he loves, the petition if anything is to tell the gaming journalists to stop giving us so much shit for our "hate" that doesn't even exist, not in like the threat narrative the feminists weave.

Hurr durr don't hate people feel good bullshit. Seriously even the people who are against the current game journalism will not argue with that statement because it is so obvious. There is a difference between criticism and harassment, and gaming journalists and femenists need to learn this. Instead they would rather focus on troll comments and a very small minority of people who were discussing the topic to paint all opposition as horrible people. It is simply a false narrative.

EDIT: Here is a petition to stop the hate.

EDIT2: Here is the current feminist logic for you. If you criticize the man hating radical feminists other feminists will cry about how they are a very small minority and are not the views for the majority of feminists. However they have no issues at all with calling gamers in general mysoginists because of a very small minority, and most of that minority are trolls from 4chan. The double standard is just so glaringly obvious that anyone who cannot see it is being willfully ignorant.

This person gets it...this is not just some one off for feminists this same threat narrative has been weaved for every pie they've stuck their grubby little fingers into, prior to this it was atheism and prior to that it was the skeptical movement, there's a repeated pattern of feminists entering communities of like minded people and being divisive by actually creating drama that did not previously exist and dividing people.

If anything gamers now are more afriad of women in gaming than they ever have been because gamers are now just weary of anyone that's just going to cause drama. Especially bad for all the female gamers who just want to fit in and be part of their peers and respected for being good gamers and none of this attention seeking grrrrrl gamer nonsense, now they have to face up to men giving them special treatment in case we upset their sensibilities.

The whole thing is divisive and disgusting, this was the case when they invaded atheism and divided the community into atheism and atheism+ (atheism plus SJW essentially) and it's just as divisive here.
 

PrincessFrosty

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I don't agree that she has the right to talk about anything without expecting criticism. Harassment, bullying and threats are all valid forms of criticism that every person in the public view deals with constantly, and most men deal with constantly in the normal course of their professional lives.

Right, so you go look at someone for example the AmazingAtheist, huge fanbase, loud and critical opinion, generally pretty level headed and logical approach but kinda abrasive. So he gets death threats and just utter bile and hatred like on a daily basis, he did an excellent and rather heartfelt video on this where he explains that this isn't exclusively a female problem.

(I've found it here, took a while to find. he discusses that females getting trolled isn't an exclusive to women problem like the media and many others portray it - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8TCQGipPWEo&list=UUjNxszyFPasDdRoD9J6X-sw )

And Antia gets a few threats and then decides to spend the night at a friends house and this is front page news on the BBC and other internation news outlets, that she was "bullied out of her home"

How come TJ isn't front page news literally every day because he recieves death threats, are hers any more credible?

NO!!

In fact other disgusting and dishonest feminists like Rebecca Watson got similar threats back when she was in the spotlight and it was the exact same thing, treated like some special snowflake, did any of these (what are essentially troll comments) come to fruition. OF COURSE NOT, people say this kinda crap on twitter all day long to men, but it's never news.

It's just part of the threat narrative that feminists weave, it gets them front page attention on news outlets which blow things out of proportion. threats over twitter are par for the course, does that excuse them? HELL NO! Does it mean we ought to take them seriously, of course not. No one is on their way to murder and maim Anita, she's being trolled and anyone with even just a few years experience with what the internet is really like, understand this distinction immediately.

I'd expect gaming journalists to know better really considering most are more used to the climate of the internet and how things like trolling work, at least a little better than the luddites for major newspapers. But then again after the recent surge of SJW support from and basically bad journalistic behaviour from gaming journalism recently, maybe having this expectation is stupid.

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Sorry for the double post but it just makes me mad that people fall so easily for this threat narrative rubbish, I'm super passionate about gaming.
 
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thedosbox

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What!? Harassment, bullying and threats may arguably be valid forms of criticism, they should never be acceptable forms!! Didn't your mother ever teach you the phrase, "If you have nothing nice to say, don't say anything at all."? :p

I think it says plenty about his life that he believes most men suffer from bullying and threats in real life. Better to just report the post if you consider it problematic.

How come TJ isn't front page news literally every day because he recieves death threats, are hers any more credible?

Another attempt at deflection, but seeing as you asked:

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/jan/09/not-a-feminist-move-on-men-women

Most of the feminists I know care about how gender inequality affects men. Of course they do – they're egalitarians. And some also work on male equality issues. But feminism is a movement that seeks to achieve equal rights for women. This focus is necessary, because we live in a world of historically and culturally inscribed female disadvantage.

In other words, anyone who wants to publicize issues faced by men should ask themselves this question: Why aren't you starting your own thread and doing so instead of thread-crapping elsewhere?
 

BoberFett

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They are not creating or feeding the problem. The problem is there. They are the victim of it. You are trying to blame the victim for other peoples actions, probably because you are a perpetrator of those action and are trying to justify your sexual harassment of women by claiming that they were asking for it.

Do you deny that there is a problem with people being misogynistic asshats on the internet, especially surrounding video games?

Do you deny that she has every right to criticize video games, and video game players for being insensitive to feminist issues?

Do you deny that she has the right to do all this with out being harassed, bullied, and threatened?

Which of these things do you have a problem with?

Is there a problem with some assholes online? Absolutely. But the social justice warriors try to characterize it as a far larger than it is. It's likely the 80/20 rule in effect.

She has the right to criticize anything she wants without being bullied and harrassed, but apparently nobody is allowed to criticize in return. Even people who criticize these feminists in a calm, rational manner are shouted down and called rape culture apologists. These hyperfeminists aren't interested in discussion.

This discussion prompted me to do a lot of reading/watching over the long weekend, and learning more about Anita Sarkeesian led to reading about the events around Elevatorgate and Atheism+, and I more firmly than ever believe that these shrill feminists are horrible people. These Social Justice Warriors are a cult.
 

cmdrdredd

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It's just part of the threat narrative that feminists weave, it gets them front page attention on news outlets which blow things out of proportion. threats over twitter are par for the course, does that excuse them? HELL NO! Does it mean we ought to take them seriously, of course not. No one is on their way to murder and maim Anita, she's being trolled and anyone with even just a few years experience with what the internet is really like, understand this distinction immediately.

I'd expect gaming journalists to know better really considering most are more used to the climate of the internet and how things like trolling work, at least a little better than the luddites for major newspapers. But then again after the recent surge of SJW support from and basically bad journalistic behaviour from gaming journalism recently, maybe having this expectation is stupid.

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Sorry for the double post but it just makes me mad that people fall so easily for this threat narrative rubbish, I'm super passionate about gaming.

Dude I agree, and the journalists keep pushing these articles out there. Articles where gamers are spoken about as the bane of society or something. How can someone who's career revolves around games, gaming, and gamers be so far to one side and so against gamers in general? For every one loser on the internet who decides they want to troll someone's twitter account and threaten them, there are at least a million others who don't even know it happened. That is until an article comes out calling gamers the scum of the earth. Then those millions start to get pissed off because they have nothing to do with it and quite honestly don't give a shit. Why should they be labeled as a piece of crap by the people they are giving money to when they are just doing what they enjoy. To give an example. Human Trafficking happens every day, you read about it in the real world news all the time in some areas. A game comes out and low and behold there's a crime boss who profits from human trafficking. Am I a human trafficker because I play this game? No. Further, I'm playing the game not knowing this is in the game. I'm not playing it because you get to sell women around. That's just one portion of the game and what's more, you don't even do the selling. You actually seek to put a stop to it. Yet here I am...labeled a misogynist because I happen to play the game.

Is there a problem with some assholes online? Absolutely. But the social justice warriors try to characterize it as a far larger than it is. It's likely the 80/20 rule in effect.

She has the right to criticize anything she wants without being bullied and harrassed, but apparently nobody is allowed to criticize in return. Even people who criticize these feminists in a calm, rational manner are shouted down and called rape culture apologists. These hyperfeminists aren't interested in discussion.

This discussion prompted me to do a lot of reading/watching over the long weekend, and learning more about Anita Sarkeesian led to reading about the events around Elevatorgate and Atheism+, and I more firmly than ever believe that these shrill feminists are horrible people. These Social Justice Warriors are a cult.

In some ways, it's like the gun debate. You can't educate some people on their incorrect information. They won't hear it. You don't hold their opinion so you may as well be the devil himself.
 
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Nebor

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And like I said, if their threats were credible (and not made up) they'd take them to the police.
 

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I think it says plenty about his life that he believes most men suffer from bullying and threats in real life. Better to just report the post if you consider it problematic.

Another attempt at deflection, but seeing as you asked:

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/jan/09/not-a-feminist-move-on-men-women

This is basically the white knighting that SJWs and feminists create when they weave a threat narrative, funny that they're all for equality but essentially any mention of threats (read: trolling) against women is front page news. But threats against men is a "deflection".

An objective look at the facts would reveal this to be simply sexist behaviour, but once a threat narrative is weaved prior, everyone jumps to the defense of the poor internet feminists who get equal abuse that everyone with an opinion and access to twitter gets.

Thanks for essentially proving my point.
 

BoberFett

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In other words, anyone who wants to publicize issues faced by men should ask themselves this question: Why aren't you starting your own thread and doing so instead of thread-crapping elsewhere?

They do, and are criticized for it routinely. Any mention of unfairness that men receive in area of life results in Social Justice Warriors shouting them down with slogans such as "Check your privilege" and other ingenious phrases designed to end the conversation before it starts.

Because obviously if one rich person is white male, then all white males are rich, and have never suffered any kind of injustice for their sex or race.
 

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They do, and are criticized for it routinely. Any mention of unfairness that men receive in area of life results in Social Justice Warriors shouting them down with slogans such as "Check your privilege" and other ingenious phrases designed to end the conversation before it starts. Because obviously if one rich person is white male, then all white males are rich, and have never suffered any kind of injustice for their sex or race.

Exactly.

Why is there not White American History Month just like the other races have their own celebrations?
 

Nebor

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I think it says plenty about his life that he believes most men suffer from bullying and threats in real life. Better to just report the post if you consider it problematic.

Adversity? Hardship? Challenges? Detractors? Enemies? Bullies? Threats? What is life without these things but a meaningless stream of "good enoughs" and participation trophies?

As William Shakespeare wrote in Henry VI, "Let me embrace thee, sour adversity, for wise men say it is the wisest course."
 

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Dude I agree, and the journalists keep pushing these articles out there. Articles where gamers are spoken about as the bane of society or something. How can someone who's career revolves around games, gaming, and gamers be so far to one side and so against gamers in general? For every one loser on the internet who decides they want to troll someone's twitter account and threaten them, there are at least a million others who don't even know it happened. That is until an article comes out calling gamers the scum of the earth. Then those millions start to get pissed off because they have nothing to do with it and quite honestly don't give a shit. Why should they be labeled as a piece of crap by the people they are giving money to when they are just doing what they enjoy. To give an example. Human Trafficking happens every day, you read about it in the real world news all the time in some areas. A game comes out and low and behold there's a crime boss who profits from human trafficking. Am I a human trafficker because I play this game? No. Further, I'm playing the game not knowing this is in the game. I'm not playing it because you get to sell women around. That's just one portion of the game and what's more, you don't even do the selling. You actually seek to put a stop to it. Yet here I am...labeled a misogynist because I happen to play the game.

Exactly. Let's be generous and assume that ALL the people attacking people like Anita are genuine in their threats, when in reality a decent number are really just 4chan trolls. Let's be generous and say she has 1000 people tweeting her saying she should die.

Currently there's 5.243 MILLION gamers logged on to steam, most enjoying themselves hate-free. That's not even steams peak numbers, that's closer to 7Million

That's JUST steam that's not counting millions of xbox gamers and PS gamers and handheld users and tablet gamers and phone gamers...I mean we're talking tens or hundreds of MILLIONS of gamers.

And maybe 1000 of them send her nasty messages...

There's this thing called perspective...labeling tens or hundreds of millions of gamers by the action of maybe 1000 at a push, who are mostly comprised of 4chan trolls...

It's literally LUNACY. The fact that people are allowed to report this kind of tripe without being questioned on it is just crazy, the fact that knowledgeable gamers buy this rubbish is just as bad. But what makes it all worse by an order of magnitude is that bringing these issues to light gets you labelled as a misogynist neck beard.

It's exactly if they're trying their hardest to make the entire gaming community mad, if I wanted to troll and piss off a massive segment of the gaming population and I could plan it, this is exactly how i'd do it.
 

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They do, and are criticized for it routinely. Any mention of unfairness that men receive in area of life results in Social Justice Warriors shouting them down with slogans such as "Check your privilege" and other ingenious phrases designed to end the conversation before it starts.

Funny how that works - i.e. topics which have no "legs" die a quick death. Point being, if mens issues in gaming were such a glaring problem, the frequency of threads would be much higher. Yet the last time I saw such a thread in PC gaming was ... never.

Because obviously if one rich person is white male, then all white males are rich, and have never suffered any kind of injustice for their sex or race.

Do all police officers think they're being "attacked" because of what happened in Ferguson? Nope.

So why should someone who plays games think that they're being attacked when some aspects of a game are being criticized (the subject of sarkeesian's videos). Liking something that has problems doesn't make you (in the general sense) a shithead.
 

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Can we get some proof? I've been playing video games all my life and while I know that some of them were "save the girl" games, most of them were not.

Of course all games aren't "save the girl" (god help us if they were.) But clearly, the roles in which women are cast in games have them being in need much more often than men. Look at Watch Dogs, GTA5, Bioshock Infinite, Dishonored, Thief, .... All recent huge games that I've played with the same save-the-girl mechanic.

A lot of games from my youth all the way to today have save-the-girl in them, even if it isn't central to the story line. It is very unbalanced in terms of those that have female victims versus male victims. It really is eye-opening. I've been a gamer all my life and haven't really noticed it until the issue was exposed. I've noticed myself becoming disinterested in practically every major story-driven game over the last 5 or so years, and it is because they are so stagnant in their plot.

Then go play The Sims or a sports game? I don't quite understand what you're complaining about here. There are other games out there. However most of us don't sit down and play video games to recreate the mundane things we could do in real life. We play them to escape into an adventure of some kind. And there are really only so many themes out there.

Really? That's the answer? Go play The Sims or a sports game. So I guess you agree that there is a major problem with story-stagnation. So the only way to have an adventure is to save a girl? There are hundreds of themes, even thousands. Check out the book Plotto, plenty of plots to go around.

We agree that we've played that type of game a bunch, a whole lot. I'd love to see developers surprise me with new stories! Wouldn't you guys like to see new plots and interesting new themes? Surely you can't be against that!
 

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Most of the feminists I know care about how gender inequality affects men. Of course they do – they're egalitarians. And some also work on male equality issues. But feminism is a movement that seeks to achieve equal rights for women. This focus is necessary, because we live in a world of historically and culturally inscribed female disadvantage.

In other words, anyone who wants to publicize issues faced by men should ask themselves this question: Why aren't you starting your own thread and doing so instead of thread-crapping elsewhere?

Most feminists only care about how inequality effects men when it's men keeping other men down. You'll never hear a peep from feminists when it's a woman holding an advantage over men. We get a constant barrage of feminist "news" lamenting the low percentage of female CEOs. Where's the wailing and nashing of teeth over the low percentage of female garbage workers, coal miners or crab fishers.
 

BoberFett

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Exactly.

Why is there not White American History Month just like the other races have their own celebrations?

Not sure if trolling...

I would guess that men's rights activists are less concerned about Black History Month, and more concerned that women can and do claim a man abused her or their children to help get custody and subsequently greater monetary awards during a divorce proceeding, while the man is thrown in jail based on zero evidence.