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brandonbull

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Ah of course, it's a conspiracy. Please continue to tell us how this is actually good for Trump.
Pretty sure that it's know that the whistle blower doesn't have direct knowledge. Sounds like the Progressheviks still had some hearsay witnesses left over from Kavanaugh and repurposed them to get their money's worth.
 

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Pretty sure that it's know that the whistle blower doesn't have direct knowledge. Sounds like the Progressheviks still had some hearsay witnesses left over from Kavanaugh and repurposed them to get their money's worth.
1. I'm pretty sure we don't actually know with any certainty what the whistleblower does or doesn't know.
2. What we have released out of Trump's own office is hugely damning.
 
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fskimospy

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Pretty sure that it's know that the whistle blower doesn't have direct knowledge. Sounds like the Progressheviks still had some hearsay witnesses left over from Kavanaugh and repurposed them to get their money's worth.

Considering that even selectively edited transcripts appear to entirely confirm the part of the whistleblower's account we are aware of that seems pretty irrelevant.
 
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brandonbull

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1. I'm pretty sure we don't actually know with any certainty what the whistleblower does or doesn't know.
2. What we have released out of Trump's own office is hugely damning.
What is damning? Cite the law(s) broken.
 

SMOGZINN

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Pretty sure that it's know that the whistle blower doesn't have direct knowledge. Sounds like the Progressheviks still had some hearsay witnesses left over from Kavanaugh and repurposed them to get their money's worth.

So at first you are all, 'lets wait for the transcript, we need real evidence', now that we have the transcript and it is just as damning as we have been saying you are all like 'The whistle blower is a crisis actor'. Here is my question, does it even matter? What the White House released is more than enough for an impeachment. We were going to convict Nixon for less.
 
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UNCjigga

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What is damning? Cite the law(s) broken.
Using the powers of the office of President of the United States, Donald J. Trump, in violation of his constitutional oath faithfully to execute the office of President of the United States and, to the best of his ability, preserve, protect, and defend the Constitution of the United States, and in disregard of his constitutional duty to take care that the laws be faithfully executed, has repeatedly engaged in conduct violating the constitutional rights of citizens, impairing the due and proper administration of justice and the conduct of lawful inquiries, or contravening the laws governing agencies of the executive branch and the purposed of these agencies.
 

compuwiz1

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I thought all calls are recorded, no? Anyone can make a transcript. Let's play that tape in front of Congress. Let's hear the truth.
 

ivwshane

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I’m watching trump and the president of Ukraine do a press conference and it’s a disaster for trump. He’s trying his hardest to get Ukraine’s President to back him and the Ukraine’s President isn’t having it.

lol what a fucking train wreck!
 

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I thought all calls are recorded, no? Anyone can make a transcript. Let's play that tape in front of Congress. Let's hear the truth.

Will it even matter? No matter what Trump said you are going to say 'Point at the part of the Constitution where is specifically says that a sitting president can't ask for personal favors from the Ukraine in exchange for taxpayer money? It must say that specifically or it doesn't count! Can't do that? Then it is perfectly fine!' No amount of evidence will convince you because you have already made your mind up. At this point the goalposts have crossed the lightspeed barrier.
 

compuwiz1

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What the actual fuck?

I actually agree with a Trumpnazi?

If what has been accused actually happened, let's get it out in the open. Right now there is a lot of speculation and truth of it, or to the contrary would serve us all well.
 

ivwshane

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The Ukrainian President basically said he’s not doing the presidents bidding. Lol
 

Starbuck1975

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Baseless dirt works for awhile. If it has legs then he should be damaged and Warren becomes the beneficiary. What then, "Pochahontas"?
Inevitably, yes. There was a good article on Slate recently on how Roy Cohn shaped Trump’s mind. The litigous nature of NY real estate power consolidation amplified by social media and the executive power of the Presidency.

And that has jack and shit to do with this. That's purely due to Joe being out of the spotlight for 2-3 years and people now realizing "Holy shit, that guy really is old!" His gaffes, poor debate performance, and inability to really produce any meaningful policy is catching up.
He has been the front runner with ample time back in the spotlight to change it. I’ve heard and seen younger progressives quite eager to spread and share the Ukranian dirt.

I am happy to see that you are happy that this smear campaign is working. I never had any doubt as to the makeup of your character.
Your post has removed all doubt I had towards your emotional intelligence and reading comprehension. Bye danky, its been fun!

Biden was already losing ground over the rest of the field for the last few months.

What do you think Joe Biden did involving Ukraine that was problematic?
As others have said, if everything is not above board, Biden does not get a pass. I have a particular distaste for how viral social media mobs are now driving news cycles and narratives.
 

Hayabusa Rider

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Quote in exact words where I said you said you think Biden actually did something wrong. I am saying I think it is laughable that you think a conspiracy theory started by Fox News requires an actual investigation.


I said there needs to be an actual investigation? Perhaps that is what you wished I said so let's see...

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For my part I think that what happened with Biden will be looked into in a non-Benghazi way.


Two things, I did not nor imply "requires an actual investigation", nor anything like that. I meant precisely what I said. I expect that people WILL LOOK INTO the events surrounding Biden. I didn't mention Congressional hearings whatsoever. I didn't even MENTION Congress. Apparently that in the entire investigative aspect of journalism this will be a topic absolutely no one will look into. It simply doesn't exist. Well, history suggests that is not the case, and reporters nosing around is "not an actual investigation. Hell, I even mentioned any Bengazi persecution being a no go. Clearly you have yet to figure out that I am in no way supportive of Trump or his minions but on the other hand I have no obligation to check my brain at the door when considering any of this for anyone's litmus test or sensibilities.

You dumb shit, I'm on your side :p
 

brandonbull

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I thought all calls are recorded, no? Anyone can make a transcript. Let's play that tape in front of Congress. Let's hear the truth.
They don't record calls or have Perry Mason style stenographers typing away listening in on classified calls.
 

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I thought all calls are recorded, no? Anyone can make a transcript. Let's play that tape in front of Congress. Let's hear the truth.
That's what you get for thinking...…. YES anyone can make a transcript and sadly that is what happens to all white house calls! I am very sure after the transcript is finished the call gets deleted....depending on it`s importance!
 

Hayabusa Rider

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If not, then why does it sound exactly like Trump talks, complete with "very bad people" and "very good people?" Looks a lot like a transcript. If it's notes, they're verbatim.

How long does it take to speak that conversation aloud at a normal pace? I performed the excruciating task of reading and timing. I allowed about 8 seconds for exchange time and read at a pace far slower than I would to a toddler who cannot form sentences yet.

Fourteen minutes and 10 seconds going as slow as I could, unreasonably so even allowing for translation. A normal pace I witness at UN meetings would be considerably less than half that.

So round out to 15 minutes. Where's the other half of the half hour?
 

dank69

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I said there needs to be an actual investigation? Perhaps that is what you wished I said so let's see...

Two things, I did not nor imply "requires an actual investigation", nor anything like that. I meant precisely what I said. I expect that people WILL LOOK INTO the events surrounding Biden. I didn't mention Congressional hearings whatsoever. I didn't even MENTION Congress. Apparently that in the entire investigative aspect of journalism this will be a topic absolutely no one will look into. It simply doesn't exist. Well, history suggests that is not the case, and reporters nosing around is "not an actual investigation. Hell, I even mentioned any Bengazi persecution being a no go. Clearly you have yet to figure out that I am in no way supportive of Trump or his minions but on the other hand I have no obligation to check my brain at the door when considering any of this for anyone's litmus test or sensibilities.

You dumb shit, I'm on your side :p
A non-Benghazi way isn't very specific, is it? That could be anything from Breitbart "journalists" reading their usual tea leaves to an official DOJ investigation. I know you don't support Trump or his minions. I also know you are prone to believing just about any dirt hurled toward Obama/Hillary/etc. and assume this includes Biden.


For my part I think that what happened with Biden will be looked into in a non-Benghazi way. If Joe happened to have done something that is improper then he ought to bear the consequences.
I was focused more on your use of the word if here because it shows you still have a hard time recognizing complete bullshit.


Nevertheless, that is entirely separate from Trump's admission by his own words. If nothing is found then Biden will be fine as less dirt will stick and if this is all a sham by Trump it may help him.
Additionally, this last part is incredibly naive given what we have witnessed in politics over the last several decades. People still believe Hillary needs to be locked up. Investigations finding nothing means nothing. How have you not learned this lesson yet? The standard for Democrats is impossibly high for most Americans. Someone writing something on a blog is all that is needed to permanently tarnish any Democrat's image until the day they die, let alone something aired on Fox News, or an official statement from any GOP politician.
 

VRAMdemon

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The Ukrainian President basically said he’s not doing the presidents bidding. Lol

LOL, he ended his co-statement with Zelensky by declaring Pelosi is no longer Speaker of the House. (Trump said this, not Zelensky.)

https://twitter.com/ZekeJMiller/stat...886162944?s=20

"Nancy Pelosi, as far as I'm concerned, unfortunately, she's no longer the Speaker of the House"

(Zelensky hangs up. Asks his interpreter): "Can he do that?" (Interpreter shrugs)
 
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From the brief amount I read, if it’s edited it has been edited in the most retarded manner possible. As in the President literally said I need a favor.

Sadly I do not want to say it hasn’t been edited because this White House is so incompetent

Edit: the President said “I would like you to do us a favor...”
 

Hayabusa Rider

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A non-Benghazi way isn't very specific, is it? That could be anything from Breitbart "journalists" reading their usual tea leaves to an official DOJ investigation. I know you don't support Trump or his minions. I also know you are prone to believing just about any dirt hurled toward Obama/Hillary/etc. and assume this includes Biden.


I was focused more on your use of the word if here because it shows you still have a hard time recognizing complete bullshit.


Additionally, this last part is incredibly naive given what we have witnessed in politics over the last several decades. People still believe Hillary needs to be locked up. Investigations finding nothing means nothing. How have you not learned this lesson yet? The standard for Democrats is impossibly high for most Americans. Someone writing something on a blog is all that is needed to permanently tarnish any Democrat's image until the day they die, let alone something aired on Fox News, or an official statement from any GOP politician.


You cannot distinguish between complete bullshit and what people may do regardless. Also the Hillary thing was bullshit but you didn't get the Bengazi reference. "Lock her up" is much the same as "Secret Muslim Kenyan" and I was not susceptible to that either. You are making the choice to conflate things. I recognize bullshit and I realize what is likely to happen based on prior events. You offer a choice. I either accept bullshit and allow for someone, reporters whoever, to look deeper even if there is no basis or I don't buy the crap and therefore cannot think that there are people who will investigate. Will they find anything? I think not, but again I'm not a Cassandra and if I were you wouldn't believe me anyway.

Learn friend from foe and stop with the need to impugn people with things you misunderstand. Or not.

Anyway, peace be with you. I'm not going to fight an ally with further irrelevancies.