As am I. However, I am realistic in my assessment that he could and will be sued back into the stonage. I further hope that, as most 20yr old college student are, he is a dependent so that they may go after his parents. This is justice. This is the modern civil system.
As am I. However, I am realistic in my assessment that he could and will be sued back into the stonage. I further hope that, as most 20yr old college student are, he is a dependent so that they may go after his parents. This is justice. This is the modern civil system.
AgaBoogaBoo
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It's horrible what happened 
This basically leaves my opinion at the same place - if you drink and drive, I really don't have any respect for you at all, and no, there is no chance of forgiveness.
This basically leaves my opinion at the same place - if you drink and drive, I really don't have any respect for you at all, and no, there is no chance of forgiveness.
How is ruining the lives of his parents justice? Somehow I doubt they had any control over the situation (unless he was living at home at the time)
Jeff7
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- Jan 4, 2001
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My mom's told me already that if I do something wrong enough that it lands me in jail, I shouldn't bother wasting my phonecall to call home.
If I got drunk and killed someone else, I don't think my parents or sister would want me around anymore. I can't blame them either.
This guy was stupid enough to get drunk enough to the point that a lot of people might just pass out, and then he went out driving. Hopefully the court doles out exactly what the arrogant a--hole deserves.
There are two answers for this.
One is the answer she is supposed to give you in the situation you're putting her in.
The other is what she would actually do if her child was in that situation.
Pretty much what I was pointing out. It's so easy to take the "moral" highground when you're sitting safely out of trouble watching and judging other people's lives. Do you even think the parents are the ones who came up with this defense? It's not even up to the parents considering the "kid" is over 18. But, this is ATOT, spewing nonsense everywhere is the name of the game.
Well, the lawyers are just trying whatever tricks are available (which may be wrong but has to be done). If the lawyers don't bring it up here there could be a mistrial regarding whether the kid was represented to the fullest degree. It's a silly method to excuse one of murder but it still needs to be put out there. Hopefully the judge will use common sense in interpreting the law instead of following it by the letter and throw out the attempt to strike the blood test results from evidence.
theres no way the dude is getting off. now if he was Brandy on the other hand.
i feel bad for everyone involved except the drunk driver..
i feel bad for everyone involved except the drunk driver..
First of all, my child was raised better than to ever be so irresponsible to get behind the wheel of a car while drunk.
But, putting that aside... my child was also raised better than to try to skate on her bad behaviour.
In this exact case... I would support my child. I would be right there, holding her hand and giving her moral support while she stands up and owns what she has done. And if that meant that I had to sell my home and lose every thing I worked my whole life to, to try to make amends to the other families, then I would do so.
What I would NOT do is try to blame anyone else, try to get her off on a technicality or hire a slimy lawyer to put the victims parents thru the heartbreak of a trial. And if that is what she tried to do, I would be more ashamed of her for that, then I would be over the horrible choice of getting behind the wheel.
And that is the God's honest truth of what I would do.
As someone who attended the school in question and another large university, bignateyk is right. Thousands of underage kids drink every weekend at hundreds of more or less open parties and the police are totally blind.
This is totally ingrained in the town culture and university tradition. The school would be shut down before this was changed one bit. So complain all you want about carding and responsibility, but the only realistic expectation is to educate the underage kids on not driving after they are drunk.
This is totally ingrained in the town culture and university tradition. The school would be shut down before this was changed one bit. So complain all you want about carding and responsibility, but the only realistic expectation is to educate the underage kids on not driving after they are drunk.
My daughter went there for one year. She was not happy there. The labs and lectures were too large and ... as you correctly state... the entire town's culture was around partying.
the party throwers are NOT responsible for the drunk driving, THEY are guilty of LETTING a minor get drunk tho.
It is indeed a party school. Do I have a problem with emancipated minors and the older but still under 21 year olds drinking? Not in the slightest. Drinking and driving is the wrong, and terrible, decision here. Things like that just need to stop. The police are hardly blind, the State College PD just asked Penn State for more money directly from the University to try to help assuage the costs of curbing underage drinking/alcohol abuse. Although, there have been 2-3 burglaries and 2-3 assaults (to the point of one person being shot in the face and another having his head beaten pretty severely) and not a single arrest made and no leads short of a sketch or two. You tell me what the police priority should be.
In a related note, something similar is happening in another case of drunk driving in State College. The lawyer young lady (Applegate) who struck a young man crossing the street on East College Ave is suing Zola's Bistro (upscale restaurant here) for serving to a "visibly intoxicated individual." While it seems this claim is a bit unsupported, it's happening.
Absolutely terrible tragedies these days. I just wish people would learn more from these sorts of events and stop being so stupid as to drink and drive.
i hope torsell rots in jail for a long, long time. this goes for any other drunk drivers out there.
Yeah whatever. Random Friday night in the fall - a herd of twenty freshmen walk by a State College cop, into a frat house. Repeat scene x100.
Are you seriously telling me the cop has no idea what's going to be happening in that house? Or that there's not enough money for him to go up to the door and do something about it?
When I was a freshman, my first day in the dorms, I was given fliers advertising various parties that weekend. Each one basically went like this: "Hey, my name is ____, this is the ____ fraternity, want a beer?" Like I said, the cops are blind.
Yup, I know my body and I can say 1 beer may be a lot for a 80 pound person but I feel fine after a couple.
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