BurnItDwn
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The lawyer trying to find a loophole is scum, absolutely yes.
The purpose of the justice system is to try to find justice. Every piece of sh1t lawyer who looks for loopholes or lies or doesn't disclose 100% of all the truth is a scumbag.
Any lawyer who never lies and always tells "the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth", as well as advises to all clients to say the same thing ... that is the ONLY type of lawyer who is not a scumbag.
There is a reason people make that generalization, the reason is because, for the most part, it's true.
It is ridiculous his lawyer is taking this route. Also ridiculous that they are going after the kids who were throwing the parties. Just to clarify a little, since this is local news for me, the driver was at multiple bars with a fake id and had gone to a few parties. I personally do not know why they are focus on the kids who threw the parties. There is absolutely no need to ruin their lives. Yes they contributed, but ruin their lives? I have thrown quite a few parties as well as been to countless more. Do I deserve to have my life ruined because of someone else's irresponsibility.
GoPackGo
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- Oct 10, 2003
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No limit at all.
But make the penalty high enough for CAUSING accidents that people will not take the risk.
Its cases like this that make it obvious that it doesn't matter where you set the limit. People are going to drink, drive and kill people.
We have this "Minority Report" type of attitude regarding drivers who have alcohol in their system. GUILTY GUILTY GUILTY....they are treated like they have already killed people in an accident when they have done nothing else wrong.
Where I am originally from they have REALLY tough drunk driving laws. Now they want to go after people who walk home drunk with "public intoxication" Its all about the revenue and NOT about saving lives.
Realizing, of course, that if the lawyer doesn't take the steps that he did, there is the potential that the trial may be deemed a mistrial because the defendant wasn't fully represented. It's not so black and white as people would like to believe.
He deserves to have his life ruined because of his irresponsibility yet you being irresponsible by not checking the ages of those you serve alcohol to is "a ok?"
Read my previous posts. There is noone to blame but the driver.
He drove there sober, knowing full well he was going to be drinking. Punishing the 6 people who gave him booze wont do a damn thing, and is just stupid. He would have gotten drunk at one of the other hundreds of parties going on, and the night would have turned out the exact same way.
Or, had people actually checked his age he might've not been able to get a drink at all. Or he could've gotten a drink earlier or not as drunk. There are a billion what ifs but the fact of the matter is, you can't pull the irresponsibility card if you yourself are not responsible.
:roll: Like I said, people just dont get it. Its a culture of binge drinking based almost soley around underage drinking, and its not going to change because of something like this. Frats get shut down, and the students just go to different frats. In fact, id wager a guess that acemcmac was here to enjoy the same party scene that ended up killing him. Its sad, but in the end, there is noone to blame but the dumbfvck who decided to drive. There are thousands of underage students who get tanked day after day, without any problem because 99% of the student population lives within walking distance of every party that goes on.
I'm not trying to condone anything, im just saying that people from the outside dont really understand the situation.
The fact that he was underage had NOTHING to do with the incident. There are a hell of alot more of-age people who drink and drive around here than there are underage, because almost all the underclassmen live on campus. (freshmen are forced to live in the dorms)
I saw it all the time while attending UCLA but it doesn't mean that the people throwing the party don't have any responsibility. You served alcohol to and underaged person that had the direct effect of him killing someone. As much as you would like to hide from the responsibility, it is yours as long as you're in charge of the party and the alcohol involved.
And why do you keep assuming that people are from the outside when I'd venture that a large portion of the posters on ATOT have or are currently attending large colleges.
Regardless, if he had a fake good enough to get into local bars, do you really think even if someone had been checking ID's it would have made a difference? It takes a DAMN good fake to get into bars around here.
Im just sick of these things being used as a crusade against underage drinking and a crusade against those hosting parties, when the real focus should be on punishing the idiot who got behind the wheel completely sober knowing fell well he was going to be getting hammered.
GoPackGo
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You know what....I have looked on the internet...and maybe its easy to find, but I can not find any statistical information that shows the min, max, mean and average of BAC of drunk drivers who cause the death of another in crash.
The other problem I have with drunk driving crash statistics is that If I am driving drunk and you crash into me and you die...then its automatically an alcohol related fatality.
Yeah because obviously had you been sober you could have done a spin move of some sort to avoid the dumbass about to blindside you.
With all thats being said, we've never had the chance to hear what the driver has to say for himself . . . If he has even a shred of decency in him, he probably wishes he died too cuz the guilt he must be living with right now . . . that being said, I don't feel sorry for him cuz he's going to deserve whatever sentence he gets.
amendola is one of those firms you see advertised on late night tV.
It's dawn here, albeit raining, and I for one, would rather remember Richard than think about the driver .
But's that's just how I roll
< broken shift key on left side of lappy keyboard curses...
It's dawn here, albeit raining, and I for one, would rather remember Richard than think about the driver .
But's that's just how I roll
< broken shift key on left side of lappy keyboard curses...
"Furnishing alcohol to a 20 year old is one thing.."
no, it's the same thing. might not be popular here at ATOT, given the number of younger members, but I would charge them as accessories to the homicide if it was up to me.
no, it's the same thing. might not be popular here at ATOT, given the number of younger members, but I would charge them as accessories to the homicide if it was up to me.
:disgust: Riight. Because the fact that he was underage makes so much of a difference. I guess everything would have been just dandy had he been a year older.
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