Torsell too drunk to consent to sobriety test

[halik]

Originally posted by: bignateyk

Originally posted by: Tom
"Furnishing alcohol to a 20 year old is one thing.."

no, it's the same thing. might not be popular here at ATOT, given the number of younger members, but I would charge them as accessories to the homicide if it was up to me.

:disgust: Riight. Because the fact that he was underage makes so much of a difference. I guess everything would have been just dandy had he been a year older.

Yeah criminal charges to people getting that fool booze are completly BS. They are in no way responsible; not any more than the cashiers that sold ammo to those columbine kids.

They were contributing to the delinquency of a minor, but that's it. I'm sick of this country shifting responsibility on everyone except the idiot that drove the car.

 

[Tom]

Originally posted by: halik

Originally posted by: bignateyk

Originally posted by: Tom
"Furnishing alcohol to a 20 year old is one thing.."

no, it's the same thing. might not be popular here at ATOT, given the number of younger members, but I would charge them as accessories to the homicide if it was up to me.

:disgust: Riight. Because the fact that he was underage makes so much of a difference. I guess everything would have been just dandy had he been a year older.

Yeah criminal charges to people getting that fool booze are completly BS. They are in no way responsible; not any more than the cashiers that sold ammo to those columbine kids.

They were contributing to the delinquency of a minor, but that's it. I'm sick of this country shifting responsibility on everyone except the idiot that drove the car.

your position is untenable. You want people to be responsible for their own actions, but you don't want the people who provided the alcohol to be responsible for their actions.

And I do not advocate "shifting" responsibility. I hold the driver responsible as well.

 

[Tom]

Originally posted by: bignateyk

Originally posted by: Tom
"Furnishing alcohol to a 20 year old is one thing.."

no, it's the same thing. might not be popular here at ATOT, given the number of younger members, but I would charge them as accessories to the homicide if it was up to me.

:disgust: Riight. Because the fact that he was underage makes so much of a difference. I guess everything would have been just dandy had he been a year older.

No, I would advocate charging them even if the driver was an adult, but my position would be based on admittedly more shaky ground.

The law is clear that adults have additional responsibility to behave responsibly in their interactions with minors, but that doesn't mean that interactions with adults convey no responsibility.

 

[bignateyk]

Originally posted by: Tom

Originally posted by: bignateyk

Originally posted by: Tom
"Furnishing alcohol to a 20 year old is one thing.."

no, it's the same thing. might not be popular here at ATOT, given the number of younger members, but I would charge them as accessories to the homicide if it was up to me.

:disgust: Riight. Because the fact that he was underage makes so much of a difference. I guess everything would have been just dandy had he been a year older.

No, I would advocate charging them even if the driver was an adult, but my position would be based on admittedly more shaky ground.

The law is clear that adults have additional responsibility to behave responsibly in their interactions with minors, but that doesn't mean that interactions with adults convey no responsibility.

last i checked the age of 20 was considered an adult. Had they been dishing out alcohol to a highschool kid, it would be a different story.

 

[randay]

Originally posted by: Tom

Originally posted by: bignateyk

Originally posted by: Tom
"Furnishing alcohol to a 20 year old is one thing.."

no, it's the same thing. might not be popular here at ATOT, given the number of younger members, but I would charge them as accessories to the homicide if it was up to me.

:disgust: Riight. Because the fact that he was underage makes so much of a difference. I guess everything would have been just dandy had he been a year older.

No, I would advocate charging them even if the driver was an adult, but my position would be based on admittedly more shaky ground.

The law is clear that adults have additional responsibility to behave responsibly in their interactions with minors, but that doesn't mean that interactions with adults convey no responsibility.

a 20 year old is no minor...

 

[halik]

Originally posted by: Tom

Originally posted by: halik

Originally posted by: bignateyk

Originally posted by: Tom
"Furnishing alcohol to a 20 year old is one thing.."

no, it's the same thing. might not be popular here at ATOT, given the number of younger members, but I would charge them as accessories to the homicide if it was up to me.

:disgust: Riight. Because the fact that he was underage makes so much of a difference. I guess everything would have been just dandy had he been a year older.

Yeah criminal charges to people getting that fool booze are completly BS. They are in no way responsible; not any more than the cashiers that sold ammo to those columbine kids.

They were contributing to the delinquency of a minor, but that's it. I'm sick of this country shifting responsibility on everyone except the idiot that drove the car.

your position is untenable. You want people to be responsible for their own actions, but you don't want the people who provided the alcohol to be responsible for their actions.

And I do not advocate "shifting" responsibility. I hold the driver responsible as well.

No, quite on the contrarary. The driver commited several felonies (and a misdemeanor for fake ID IIRC) and he is solely responsible for these offenses.

The people that provided the alcohol have commited misdemeanor / contrib. delinquency of a minor and they are responsible for just that.
Those individuals had no part in the driver's decision to drink the alcohol and subsequently drive the vehicle and seeing as the driver is not a minor, the responsibility for those decision are his and only his. I fail to see how the fact that he's not 21 somehow makes the other individuals responsible for his offenses.

 

[BDawg]

I like the idea of charging people who commit manslaughter while committing a felony with murder 1.

I despise drunk drivers.

 

[RaiderJ]

Originally posted by: jman19
Drunk drivers are scum. Anyone remember the thread a while back where some posters were saying that the currently legal limit is BS beacuse they "can drive fine with a few beers in them?" :roll:

I wish bars would have breathalyzers on hand for people to test their BAC. I realize some people would test themselves for show, but if people who were thinking about driving could know for sure, I think it would help.

I've considered buying one to keep in my vehicle. Might be worth it's weight in gold. True, you can say to always take the safe way and get a cab, but sometimes it would be really nice to know if you are legal or not.

 

[Platypus]

I never realized how badly the other student got hurt, that story was horrifying.

 

[amicold]

I say we go collectively and pay this bastard a visit.

Every time I read about Acemcmac I get choked up.

For Richard's family, as well as the Stidd family.

 

[Rogueverve]

thanks guys for the update, it really means a lot to me (and im sure to rick's family as well) to see that even months down the line people still remember and are following the case.

 

[DougK62]

I love how since the guy was just barely under this magical 21 year old cutoff we have for drinking people think he isn't responsible for his own actions - those who gave him the booze are. It's sadly comical.

 

[chambersc]

Too drunk to consent to sobriety test yet he decided to drive a motor vehicle which killed a pedestrian... soo many emotions.

 

[Whoozyerdaddy]

Originally posted by: chambersc
Too drunk to consent to sobriety test yet he decided to drive a motor vehicle which killed a pedestrian... soo many emotions.

I know... And what kind of a defense logic is that?

Lawyer: Your honor, my client was too drunk to consent to the sobriety gymnastics and BA, therefore you must throw those items out of evidence. And without said evidence, there is nothing to prove the states charges that my client was, in fact, drunk at the time of the accident. Motion to dismiss!

Judge: Motion denied... Moron.

 

[munisgtm]

Originally posted by: Spacehead
I feel for the Stidd family. I know what a long recovery awaits them

 

[Koing]

Originally posted by: Citrix
if there is one thing i hate most of all are drunk drivers.

i have no sympathy at all for them and i my world this clown would have been swinging by a tree that night.

 

[eits]

During an afternoon therapy session at Bryn Mawr Rehabilitation Hospital, Aaron's mother, Connie, prompted him to say "Hi Mom." In response, Aaron pulled himself up on one arm, grabbed her face, looked her "dead in the eye" and said the word "Mom" for the first time in more than three months, his father, Jay, said.

that really tugs at your emotions right there... i could just imagine the tears running down his mom's face when that happened.

 

[eits]

Originally posted by: Spacehead
I feel for the Stidd family. I know what a long recovery awaits them

seriously... i really feel for them... it pisses me off how a young guy like aaron who probably had a bright future (he was rick's friend... chances are he was a good, smart guy) ahead of him now is struggling just to regain some bit of speech.

absolutely infuriating... :|

 

[SirStev0]

Read in the paper today that his lawyer has sucessfully won cases by excluding evidence in this manner. The cops apparently screwed up a freaking lot on this one. Apparently it is a trick they tend to use that can really end up biting them in the ass.

 

[chambersc]

Originally posted by: SirStev0
Read in the paper today that his lawyer has sucessfully won cases by excluding evidence in this manner. The cops apparently screwed up a freaking lot on this one. Apparently it is a trick they tend to use that can really end up biting them in the ass.

Not only is there a criminal suit but I would hope that both families are bringing a civil suit against this person --If he's still a dependent I would hope they both of the families that were hurt sue the ****** out of his (the drunk scum) parents. Wreck his whole family and leave no prisoners.

 

[KarenMarie]

I am at a loss at how messed up this is.

He did it. He knows he did it.

what kind of piece of sh!t parents does he have that they would think it is ok to try to skate on a technicality after murdering one kid, crippling another and destroying the lives of both their families??!!!

i am sorry... i do not normally curse here.. but this kid and his family as pieces of sh!t.

the lawyer... well, he is a lawyer.. nuff said.

i will be very happy when this kid loses this case and his parents are bankrupt paying legal fees. i am pretty sure that his insurance company will not pay, since he was DUI, so this will either be a state funded defense, or the parents will have to pay... as they should.

 

[Whisper]

Originally posted by: KarenMarie
I am at a loss at how messed up this is.

He did it. He knows he did it.

what kind of piece of sh!t parents does he have that they would think it is ok to try to skate on a technicality after murdering one kid, crippling another and destroying the lives of both their families??!!!

i am sorry... i do not normally curse here.. but this kid and his family as pieces of sh!t.

the lawyer... well, he is a lawyer.. nuff said.

i will be very happy when this kid loses this case and his parents are bankrupt paying legal fees. i am pretty sure that his insurance company will not pay, since he was DUI, so this will either be a state funded defense, or the parents will have to pay... as they should.

It's their child; they're going to do what they can to support him regardless. I would expect nothing less from them.

Edit: As for the lawyer, he's there to try and prevent reactionary justice such as that expressed by many of the posts in this thread.

 

[Whisper]

Originally posted by: chambersc

Originally posted by: SirStev0
Read in the paper today that his lawyer has sucessfully won cases by excluding evidence in this manner. The cops apparently screwed up a freaking lot on this one. Apparently it is a trick they tend to use that can really end up biting them in the ass.

Not only is there a criminal suit but I would hope that both families are bringing a civil suit against this person --If he's still a dependent I would hope they both of the families that were hurt sue the ****** out of his (the drunk scum) parents. Wreck his whole family and leave no prisoners.

And this is why I'm glad the justice system does not rely on the opinions of a single person (in most instances) for judgment

 

[KarenMarie]

Originally posted by: Whisper

Originally posted by: KarenMarie
I am at a loss at how messed up this is.

He did it. He knows he did it.

what kind of piece of sh!t parents does he have that they would think it is ok to try to skate on a technicality after murdering one kid, crippling another and destroying the lives of both their families??!!!

i am sorry... i do not normally curse here.. but this kid and his family as pieces of sh!t.

the lawyer... well, he is a lawyer.. nuff said.

i will be very happy when this kid loses this case and his parents are bankrupt paying legal fees. i am pretty sure that his insurance company will not pay, since he was DUI, so this will either be a state funded defense, or the parents will have to pay... as they should.

It's their child; they're going to do what they can to support him regardless. I would expect nothing less from them.

Edit: As for the lawyer, he's there to try and prevent reactionary justice such as that expressed by many of the posts in this thread.

There is a big difference between supporting someone and looking for loopholes to get them to skate for when the crap hits the fan.

An honorable parent would raise their children step up to the plate and own up to what they have done. a piece of crap helps them to get off, using any means necessary.

 

[n7]

I hope justice is served.

And by justice, well let's just say that i don't mean something light & easy.

The drunk who killed Acemcmac doesn't deserve to be alive.