I have no moral or ethical problem with students drinking regardless of their year (aside from the slight bit of guilt from breaking the law), and the cops are hardly blind. They know exactly what's going on and that many of the kids are underage. I've been told directly that (I work EMS in the area and as such know a number of the cops on both sides, SC PD and PSU PD) they will tend to let people alone as long as they can carry themselves well enough. If they see someone so intoxicated that they are going to be a danger to themselves or others they'll make the stop. Of course, there are times (obviously) when people fall through the cracks - and it's absolutley tragic. I can't think of many things worse than the senseless loss of life, especially of young kids. In addition, the frats were being busted pretty big time last year by the SC PD to the point where the IFC (intrafraternity council) required all frats to have a guest list for their parties prior to letting anyone in so that parties could be more controlled. I have no idea what happened with it seeing as I haven't gone to a frat since freshman year. Do you really think, though, it would be possible for the police to cite every person drinking underage? Try stopping 10-15 thousand kids in a couple hours with only the officers on duty.
Looks like we misunderstood each other. By saying the cops were blind to underage drinking, I meant they choose not to see it when it happens, not that they don't know about it.
They let the underagers using moderation go, perhaps a necessary evil? Really puts it in perspective when terrible things happen. I wish there was a way to force people to be responsible.
I just realized how close this is to me. I'm only about an hour and a half east of all this. I think the college towns need to do a little more about cranking down the drinking that goes on.
I wish they would do more to educate kids before they arrive. I remember being totally in over my head the first semester. All the alcohol you can drink for free, no worries about having to watch out for/go home to parents, all those drinking games which make it way too easy to lose track of how much you've had, etc. I spent too many nights on the floor of the dorm bathroom to be healthy.Originally posted by: TheVrolok
They let the underagers using moderation go, perhaps a necessary evil? Really puts it in perspective when terrible things happen. I wish there was a way to force people to be responsible.
I think the only mention the university made as far as alcohol awareness was a nice plastic cup they gave out which said something like "75% of Penn State students think it's ok not to drink" Not exactly a statistic I'd be proud of, but I guess it was the best they could come up with.
Even after I got busted for underage by an RA, all they made me do was take a short alcohol education class that was a complete joke. Basically we went around the room and told stories about "bad" things that happened while we were drunk (much hilarity ensued). Class dismissed.
In this case I think the drinking age limit is hurting much more than it helps. It prevents the university from acknowledging what is happening and teaching kids the real consequences of behaving irresponsibly. Instead, underage drinking is just the worst kept unspoken secret in town, and that has real consequences, not just an imaginary blow to Penn State's reputation.
flashbacck
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Originally posted by: aswedc
I wish they would do more to educate kids before they arrive. I remember being totally in over my head the first semester. All the alcohol you can drink for free, no worries about having to watch out for/go home to parents, all those drinking games which make it way too easy to lose track of how much you've had, etc. I spent too many nights on the floor of the dorm bathroom to be healthy.Originally posted by: TheVrolok
They let the underagers using moderation go, perhaps a necessary evil? Really puts it in perspective when terrible things happen. I wish there was a way to force people to be responsible.
I think the only mention the university made as far as alcohol awareness was a nice plastic cup they gave out which said something like "75% of Penn State students think it's ok not to drink" Not exactly a statistic I'd be proud of, but I guess it was the best they could come up with.
Even after I got busted for underage by an RA, all they made me do was take a short alcohol education class that was a complete joke. Basically we went around the room and told stories about "bad" things that happened while we were drunk (much hilarity ensued). Class dismissed.
In this case I think the drinking age limit is hurting much more than it helps. It prevents the university from acknowledging what is happening and teaching kids the real consequences of behaving irresponsibly. Instead, underage drinking is just the worst kept unspoken secret in town, and that has real consequences, not just an imaginary blow to Penn State's reputation.
Yeah, underage citations can be handled pretty softly around here. I guess you have to walk the fine line between punishment and not ruining someone's future for making a (what can be) small mistake. I really don't know what the University can do to educate kids, it really seems to be a societal thing at this point. We all have fun drunken stories but when you think its hilarious that you can't remember a single thing from the previous night and you woke up in a pool of your own vomit I'm not sure what needs to be done. Some people just don't realize how close to death being that drunk can bring you. I'm actually amazed we don't see more cases of aspiration pneumonia/asphyxiation due to aspiration because of drunk emesis.
I haven't seen one yet, and from the looks of things, there are at least a couple (I can think of 4 atm) ATOTers in the State College area, so I'm sure we'll have more updates to come.
I can't agree with this more, except on one technicality; he was underaged. They should be punished no more than anyone else giving alcohol to someone underaged. Their trial should not take into account the drunk driving accident, since that has nothing to do with them. They provided alcohol and likely did not know that the 20 year-old was going to drive drunk.
EightySix Four
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Underage drinking is going to happen. All that should matter is WhyTF this kid was driving after the fact?
I totally agree. IMHO, you can get blitzed no matter how old you are, just don't drive or operate any machinery afterwards.
Thats kinda like going into a class room and telling the teacher that you're too dumb to take the test.
Originally posted by: aswedc
I wish they would do more to educate kids before they arrive. I remember being totally in over my head the first semester. All the alcohol you can drink for free, no worries about having to watch out for/go home to parents, all those drinking games which make it way too easy to lose track of how much you've had, etc. I spent too many nights on the floor of the dorm bathroom to be healthy.Originally posted by: TheVrolok
They let the underagers using moderation go, perhaps a necessary evil? Really puts it in perspective when terrible things happen. I wish there was a way to force people to be responsible.
I think the only mention the university made as far as alcohol awareness was a nice plastic cup they gave out which said something like "75% of Penn State students think it's ok not to drink" Not exactly a statistic I'd be proud of, but I guess it was the best they could come up with.
Even after I got busted for underage by an RA, all they made me do was take a short alcohol education class that was a complete joke. Basically we went around the room and told stories about "bad" things that happened while we were drunk (much hilarity ensued). Class dismissed.
In this case I think the drinking age limit is hurting much more than it helps. It prevents the university from acknowledging what is happening and teaching kids the real consequences of behaving irresponsibly. Instead, underage drinking is just the worst kept unspoken secret in town, and that has real consequences, not just an imaginary blow to Penn State's reputation.
what more education do you want people to give? I thought it was pretty clear what alcohol can do to you if you aren't careful. There's a lame program here that some web quiz.. but people just breeze by it because it's stupid.
university kids will get drunk regardless. But students are stubborn and don't learn from their mistakes.. or cave to peer pressure. I don't believe for a second any sort of alcohol education *at this level* would do any major benefit... unless you grew up a very sheltered life. Then again, I live in a fairly metropolitan area.
And it's a shame, because their stubbornness will get another person killed. Maybe we need to educate more on the consequences themselves.
Originally posted by: aswedc
I wish they would do more to educate kids before they arrive. I remember being totally in over my head the first semester. All the alcohol you can drink for free, no worries about having to watch out for/go home to parents, all those drinking games which make it way too easy to lose track of how much you've had, etc. I spent too many nights on the floor of the dorm bathroom to be healthy.Originally posted by: TheVrolok
They let the underagers using moderation go, perhaps a necessary evil? Really puts it in perspective when terrible things happen. I wish there was a way to force people to be responsible.
I think the only mention the university made as far as alcohol awareness was a nice plastic cup they gave out which said something like "75% of Penn State students think it's ok not to drink" Not exactly a statistic I'd be proud of, but I guess it was the best they could come up with.
Even after I got busted for underage by an RA, all they made me do was take a short alcohol education class that was a complete joke. Basically we went around the room and told stories about "bad" things that happened while we were drunk (much hilarity ensued). Class dismissed.
In this case I think the drinking age limit is hurting much more than it helps. It prevents the university from acknowledging what is happening and teaching kids the real consequences of behaving irresponsibly. Instead, underage drinking is just the worst kept unspoken secret in town, and that has real consequences, not just an imaginary blow to Penn State's reputation.
Heh. I had the priveledge of taking that alcohol class as well
I Saw OJ
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This thread kinda hits home to for me.
On my way to work this Sunday morning, the same route I take each night I came upon a head on crash between an SUV and a civic. The SUV swerved into the other lane and crashed into the civic head on. I stopped to help and call for CHP/ambulance. 2 people in the civic, both hurt badly, one was unconscious. 1 person in the SUV, she was hurt badly as well. Once the CHP/ambulance arrived I left because I was late for work.
Just found out the driver of the civic died from his injuries. The driver of the SUV was so drunk she swerved into the other lane and crashed into the civic, she is now being charged with vehicular manslaughter and felony DUI.
When will people learn to not fvcking drink and drive. Jesus...
On my way to work this Sunday morning, the same route I take each night I came upon a head on crash between an SUV and a civic. The SUV swerved into the other lane and crashed into the civic head on. I stopped to help and call for CHP/ambulance. 2 people in the civic, both hurt badly, one was unconscious. 1 person in the SUV, she was hurt badly as well. Once the CHP/ambulance arrived I left because I was late for work.
Just found out the driver of the civic died from his injuries. The driver of the SUV was so drunk she swerved into the other lane and crashed into the civic, she is now being charged with vehicular manslaughter and felony DUI.
When will people learn to not fvcking drink and drive. Jesus...
So you want to outlaw something because a very small select few decide to abuse it and make very poor choices? That makes a whole lot of sense.
That day came and went and was a disaster. Generally, outlawing items that are commonly used only creates heavy black markets.
No, imbibing alcohol wasn't made illegal by the constitutional amendment but rather the processing, transporting, and selling of alcohol was.
Wiki on Prohibition
Imbibing alcohol may not have been illegal but by drinking it it meant that you had possession of alcohol, which is illegal.
Tell me how that would make any difference.
It is clear that the prohibition didn't work then, so on what basis do you suppose that it would work today or in the future?
The faith that society, or at least the western world (which is the only society I care about), will develop into a more enlightened on and not have to resort to drugs to pass the time/dull the pain/etc.
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