"Tom Brady prefer his balls to feel a certain way" - balls underinflated

[The Boston Dangler]

the team penalty is inconsequential - the money is chicken feed, and the draft picks don't matter because players want to come to new england. having said that, it's not in kraft's (probably the most powerful owner) interest to hurt the league for little to no return.

the real issue is brady's suspension, which will be reduced or even wiped out on appeal. maybe kraft's acceptance of the team penalty was partial exchange for the player penalty.

in the long run, this means nothing. brady has had a long, successful career which will end before too long. kraft will always support belichick, and belichick will always be a championship contender. innocent, guilty, accused or even not accused, none of that makes any change in public opinion, and public opinion is not worth a damn.

in the era of enforced parity, go ahead and penalize the patriots for succeeding. make them the scapegoats for what everyone else is doing - they've proven they're more than strong enough to take it and keep on winning.

 

[Perknose]

...go ahead and penalize the patriots for succeeding.

 

[brainhulk]

 

[cubby1223]

the team penalty is inconsequential - the money is chicken feed, and the draft picks don't matter because players want to come to new england. having said that, it's not in kraft's (probably the most powerful owner) interest to hurt the league for little to no return.

the real issue is brady's suspension, which will be reduced or even wiped out on appeal. maybe kraft's acceptance of the team penalty was partial exchange for the player penalty.

in the long run, this means nothing. brady has had a long, successful career which will end before too long. kraft will always support belichick, and belichick will always be a championship contender. innocent, guilty, accused or even not accused, none of that makes any change in public opinion, and public opinion is not worth a damn.

in the era of enforced parity, go ahead and penalize the patriots for succeeding. make them the scapegoats for what everyone else is doing - they've proven they're more than strong enough to take it and keep on winning.

You're so far into the fanboy mentality I threw up a little bit in my mouth trying to read your entire post.

The only reason to accept the penalties is to shield oneself from exposing more wrong-doing. The league as a whole is strong and will continue to be strong. Despite all the concussion issues, all the domestic violence issues, attendance is high, ratings are high, sales are high, revenues are high, and will continue to be for a long time coming. A fight with the Patriots is nothing detrimental to the overall health of the league. The only questions of consequence are who will take the hits on an individual level within the organization.

Congratulations, you are a die-hard Patriots fan. We all are in awe of your dedication and commitment to stand behind your team through thick and through thin Because that's totally what this is all about, haters who just want to hate success, testing your personal loyalty You, sir, pass with flying colors.

 

[cabri]

go ahead and penalize the patriots for succeeding.

The league chose not to punish the Colts for their balls being under-inflated.

They also have not gone after other teams.

Why the Patriots?

Because the NFL has a hard on for them. The Pats continually find the ability to win. They know the rules and have used them to their advantage.

 

[rudeguy]

The league chose not to punish the Colts for their balls being under-inflated.

They also have not gone after other teams.

Why the Patriots?

Because the NFL has a hard on for them. The Pats continually find the ability to win. They know the rules and have used them to their advantage.

People have been nice to, people have been understanding to you, now let me be blunt:

It doesn't fucking matter what other teams did. This isn't the playground in the 3rd grade. Brady cheated. The Pats cheated. They only got caught once even though any person with a brain knows they cheated WAY more times than that.

Get over it.

 

[emperus]

The Patriots suspended the ball handlers per a league request after the Wells Report. Kraft initially said he would abide by whatever the NFL decided before he saw how out of whack the punishment was. It must be interesting being Bob Kraft. You have to walk the line between protecting the team you felt did no wrong and protecting the league you a part owner of.

Above is what I wrote before we learned Kraft would accept the penalties. He's in a position that he either accepts the punishment or fights and risks further damage to the league he is part owner of. I'm not sure how anyone believes this implies he thinks Brady actually cheated. He basically fell in line with the NFL to better his greater financial nature.

Damn fellas. use the minds you were born with.

 

[Phoenix86]

Above is what I wrote before we learned Kraft would accept the penalties. He's in a position that he either accepts the punishment or fights and risks further damage to the league he is part owner of. I'm not sure how anyone believes this implies he thinks Brady actually cheated. He basically fell in line with the NFL to better his greater financial nature.

Damn fellas. use the minds you were born with.

Couple things here chief,

You have no idea why Kraft did what he did. To assume so is fascinating. Perhaps you should change your name to Miss Cleo and run a psychic hotline.

Here, let me try it! I say Kraft is hiding additional wrong doing and will call you stupid if you argue otherwise. Super awesome position eh? I'm right and you're wrong. Just need to plug your ears while you say it to complete the effect.

Asking us, as a group, to use our minds when you have posted nothing but fan drivel in this thread is very classy.

 

[cabri]

People have been nice to, people have been understanding to you, now let me be blunt:

It doesn't fucking matter what other teams did. This isn't the playground in the 3rd grade. Brady cheated. The Pats cheated. They only got caught once even though any person with a brain knows they cheated WAY more times than that.

Get over it.

There is no evidence that Brady cheated.
There is innuendo and envy.

The NFL setup a witch hunt and created nothing that could stand up if it was a court of law w/ respect to the evidence.

Evidence has been presented to the NFL multiple times on other teams; ignored.

Kraft may have also swung a back room deal w/ respect to Brady and the appeal.

 

[rudeguy]

LOL

Patriot butthurt is fierce!

 

[emperus]

Couple things here chief,

You have no idea why Kraft did what he did. To assume so is fascinating. Perhaps you should change your name to Miss Cleo and run a psychic hotline.

Here, let me try it! I say Kraft is hiding additional wrong doing and will call you stupid if you argue otherwise. Super awesome position eh? I'm right and you're wrong. Just need to plug your ears while you say it to complete the effect.

Asking us, as a group, to use our minds when you have posted nothing but fan drivel in this thread is very classy.

So you're argument is that if Kraft appeals the fine, Goodell would increase it or find additional wrong doing that wasn't initially in the report? And you believe that rational (ever so ridiculous) makes more sense than a part owner of an enterprise not wanting to put the enterprise he is part owner of in further financial jeopardy?

As I said in my previous post use the brain God gave you and you wouldn't write posts like you just did.

Honestly, most of these posts in this forum seem to be naked sour groups or emotional arguments based on patriot hate. I can't even imagine most of the posters here have completely read the Wells Report or the Patriots counter to the Wells Report. But that would take work and is a lot harder than just saying I absolutely know it to be true because I believe it to be true.

 

[Fern]

Above is what I wrote before we learned Kraft would accept the penalties. He's in a position that he either accepts the punishment or fights and risks further damage to the league he is part owner of. I'm not sure how anyone believes this implies he thinks Brady actually cheated. He basically fell in line with the NFL to better his greater financial nature.

Damn fellas. use the minds you were born with.

Yep.

I think Kraft may well have been successful in court, but at what cost? And for what gain?

A Million $'s is nothing to the Pat's. How much advertising money would the team or league pay to counter this negative publicity? I bet quite a bit more than $1M. Smart move by Kraft IMO, not only financially but I'm sure he just bought some goodwill from the other owners with this decision.

I.e., this is a smart business decision, not an indictment against Brady. (I'm not saying Brady is innocent, just that this decision was the only one to take by Kraft.)

Edit: Just to be clear- I'm not a fan of the Pats, Brady or Kraft. Never have been.

Fern

 

[The Boston Dangler]

You're so far into the fanboy mentality I threw up a little bit in my mouth trying to read your entire post.

...

Congratulations, you are a die-hard Patriots fan. We all are in awe of your dedication and commitment to stand behind your team through thick and through thin Because that's totally what this is all about, haters who just want to hate success, testing your personal loyalty You, sir, pass with flying colors.

fanboy? my personal loyalty? let me tell you something, skippy. i've pledged on these forums and in person to never again pay a penny for anything nfl-related. in this thread and many others i've stated my desire to see the collapse of the national football league.

by the way, mister cubby1223, you haven't at all responded to my demand that you explain your statement "Most of your Superbowl victories have controversies surrounding them. Just accept it.".

you were full of shit then, you're full of shit now.

 

[Phoenix86]

So you're argument is that if Kraft...

You do realize it was an example how full of shit you are for "knowing" Kraft's intentions (toeing the line to save the league).

I used your "logic" to arrive at a completely different (just as baseless) conclusion.

You respond to as if I actually meant it, even though I clearly said was an example of a fascinating assumption, like you just made.

Then you tell me to use my brain.:hmm:

 

[rudeguy]

Hey wasn't it cold the day they measured the balls? What if the cold dropped the air pressure?

 

[cabri]

It has been shown that the Wells investigation ignored scientific evidence and proper measurement criteria.

Cherry picking information to justify the pre-ordained outcome

 

[emperus]

Hey wasn't it cold the day they measured the balls? What if the cold dropped the air pressure?

Ur joking right? Did you read the Wells report? Everyone agrees the cold weather dropped the pressure below 12.5. On one of the gauges, 3 of the 4 tested Colts balls were under minimum pressure (being 12.5 PSI) as well.

The argument the NFL is attempting to make is that the Patriots balls dropped at a greater proportion than the Colts balls and were supposedly outside the drop in pressure due to the Ideal Gas Law (I think it was about a .4 PSI difference than what it should have been), therefore someone had to deflate them. That is if you don't believe the head referee when he said he used one gauge instead of another one. If you do believe him, then all the Patriots balls had dropped but were in the range ascribed by the Ideal Gas Law because of the the cold weather.

 

[JEDI]

Cheaters won't appeal according to ESPN. Justice reigns, legacy tarnished, I can sleep a little better after the Seahawks blew the SB now.

http://espn.go.com/boston/nfl/story...ngland-patriots-appeal-deflategate-punishment

Apparently Brady is still appealing though, damn it, I figured this included that.

why did the Pats owner do a 360 and accept the $1M fine and loss of 2 draft picks?

 

[Engineer]

Not sure if posted but I saw this and LOL'ed! :biggrin:

 

[BUTCH1]

Cheaters won't appeal according to ESPN. Justice reigns, legacy tarnished, I can sleep a little better after the Seahawks blew the SB now.

http://espn.go.com/boston/nfl/story...ngland-patriots-appeal-deflategate-punishment

Apparently Brady is still appealing though, damn it, I figured this included that.

LOL, while I will not make excuses for my team letting around 1/2lb of air out of some footballs if you think it was helping the Pat's so much how can the Colts (with the now corrected ball's) still get ass-stomped in the 2nd half of the AFCCG?, OMG, how in the hell did Brady manage to throw FOUR perfect TD strikes in the SB, with ball's guarded like Ft Knox?. Biggest comeback in the SB, check, most completed passes in a SB, check, best defensive play in the history of the SB to seal it, check. I can't see your sleep getting much better. As for Kraft, I'd bet he had some conversations with fellow owners who told him, "yea. kinda over-the-top punishment but do you really want to become the next Al Davis by suing the league?". Common sense took over and he relented. I can't see him looking at Brady in quite the same light though, he clearly lied to Kraft and BB about his involvement. Despite the bungled mess the officials made that night in measuring and recording the PSI's and "forgetting" what gauges were used I just had to LOL when "the deflator" was explained as an "big guy who was trying to lose weight". If that's the best you can come up with your much better off saying nothing.

 

[JEDI]

butch,
it doesn't matter.
they still cheated

 

[BUTCH1]

butch,
it doesn't matter.
they still cheated

Oh, I'm not in denial of ball-tampering or Brady lying about it but IMHO it's an equipment violation and nowhere near worthy of the harshness of the punishment meted out. If "integrity" was so important why did Minnesota get off with a verbal warning for illegally heating up balls on a cold day?, that could have as much if not more impact than dropping 1-1/2Lb of PSI out of a ball. OK, I get it, repeat offenders, slap a $200K fine on 'em and move along, but 4 game suspension?, 4 million dollars spent on this report? draft picks docked?, Mil fine? punishment not fitting the crime IMO.

 

[emperus]

butch,
it doesn't matter.
they still cheated

How are you sure they cheated. If you can explain this one thing to me, then maybe I'll buy that they cheated.

If the "conspiracy" was going on for a long time. Why in the October game with the Jets were the Patriots balls at 16 PSI? The Wells report has the texts from the ball handlers.

Halftime of the Jets Game, October 16th
JJ: Tom is acting crazy about the balls. Ready to vomit
??: K. He saying there not good enough??
JJ: Tell later

October 17th
JJ (to his fiancee): Ugh...Tom was right. I just measured some of the balls. They were supposed to be 13 lbs... They were like 16. Felt like bricks.
JM: Tom sucks...im going to make that next ball a fuckin balloon
JJ: Talked to him last night. He actually brought you up and said you must have a lot of stress trying to get them done... I told him it was. He was right though... I checked some of the balls this morn... The refs fucked us...a few of then were at almost 16. They didn't recheck then after they put air in them
JM: Fuck tom...16 is nothing...wait till next sunday
JJ: Omg! Spaz


October 23rd
JJ: Can't wait to give you your needle this week
JM: Fuck tom...make sure the pump is attached to the needle.....fuckin watermelons coming
JJ: So angry
JM: The only thing deflating sun..is his passing rating

October 24th

JJ: I have a big needle for u this week
JM: Better be surrounded by cash and newkicks....or its a rugby sunday. Fuck tom
JJ: Maybe u will have some nice size 11s in ur locker
JM: Tom must really be working your balls hard this week

It just doesn't make sense that if they had this sophisticated cheat going on what happened during the Jets games that the balls were at 16 PSI. And if they were passing around needles to deflate balls every week. Again what happened during the Jets game? Did they forget the needle?

Explain how these texts fit into the narrative of the Pats deflating balls.

 

[BUTCH1]

How are you sure they cheated. If you can explain this one thing to me, then maybe I'll buy that they cheated.

If the "conspiracy" was going on for a long time. Why in the October game with the Jets were the Patriots balls at 16 PSI? The Wells report has the texts from the ball handlers.



It just doesn't make sense that if they had this sophisticated cheat going on what happened during the Jets games that the balls were at 16 PSI. And if they were passing around needles to deflate balls every week. Again what happened during the Jets game? Did they forget the needle?

Explain how these texts fit into the narrative of the Pats deflating balls.

they probably tried to slip a few by @12.2, 12.3 and the Ref's just blasted them all they way to 16. But you know, it's about the "integrity" and fairness to all those competing. They use gauges that probably cost $15 and are NOT calibrated, pretty shameful for a multi-billion $ league.

 

[Phoenix86]

Hey wasn't it cold the day they measured the balls? What if the cold dropped the air pressure?