You know what your sense of entitlement form having a college education gets? A guy in India gets a nice job.
You know what your sense of entitlement form having a college education gets? A guy in India gets a nice job.
$8/hr. seems about right for a pizza guy. It's a simple low skill job.
You can take your time delivering the pizza if you want. If it takes more than half an hour (that's generous since we live six miles from town) I simply won't pay for it. It's quite simple.
he said it...
a tip is a little extra to reward extra service... why should I pay someone to do their job? isn't that his/her employer's responsibility?
e.g. if the cabbie gets out, puts my suitcase in the cab, and at the other end takes it out and leaves it by the porch, I'm happy to give him 2 or 3 bucks. for the asshat that remains in his seat and remotely opens the boot for me... sorry he gets nutthin'
There is no sense of entitlement at all. I simply feel that those that chosse to put forth all of the effort to attend college and make something of themselves deserve to earn more than unambitious people that settle for unskilled job choices.
By the way, what does me going to college have to do with someone in India?
Then it would probably really piss you off to know how much I make with my lowly high school edumakation.
Lithium381
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I work in a pizza place....drivers constantly complain when they get stiffed....regular stiffers do get lesser service. Drivers remember......i've not seen all the people we deliver to, but i've heard more stories of rich people with three new H2's in the driveway stiffing than poor black people, though in my area the hispanics are slightly poorer and don't tip as well, according to the talk....none of which is confirmed...as for resturants tips are optional....most of the time i'll leave 10% for mediocre service, more for better service. As for confronting customers for not tipping, i find that extremeley rude, and would warrent a huge round number and possibly a talk with the manager......keep it in the back of your mind, but don't say anything. Besides, if it's a first timer, let him come back a few times and develop a tipping habit, don't judge on a one off order......
Jobs that require large amounts of schooling and applying oneself (i.e. professional white coller jobs) or jobs that require large amounts of physical effort (sea merchants, oil rig workers, contractors, etc.).
To me people such as waitresses, retail workers, hotel staff, gardeners, and such that don't really require much training or mental ability are the types of work that shouldn't pay much.
What about ambitious people who by circumstances beyond their control need to work in an unskilled job to pay the bills so they can further their education?
I hope some pissed off pizza guy spews man-gravy all over your pizza.
Yet you use their services. Somebody has to do those jobs. If you think their jobs are less meaningful or easier to do than yours, why do you use their services and then not pay for them?
I commend them for striving to do well in life. However, while they are a pizza boy they shouldn't expect more than $8-10/hr.
Freejack2
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I generally tip in restaurants at an even dollar amount somewhere around 16-19%. If a waiter really does a good job they will definitley get tipped 20+%. For food delivery I tip no less than $2 and usually I follow a 15% tipping rule for delivery.
Then again statistically I'd just fall in his average white person category.
Then again statistically I'd just fall in his average white person category.
when i wait tables, indians and blacks are the cheapest when it comes to tipping.
98% of the people that don't tip are black, its purely statistics.
98% of the people that don't tip are black, its purely statistics.
I'm not going to sit here and say its an extremely difficult job. It takes a certain amount of dedication to do it well and actually make a living at it, and most people get burnt out really quickly. You have to do more than just deliver pizza to actually get enough hours to, say, support a child with the pay you make from delivering pizzas. At my store, I do basically everything that a manager does except for inventory: Answering phones, dealing with customer complaints, routing inexperienced drivers, training in-store staff, slapping and making pizzas, cutting and boxing pizzas, folding pizza boxes, washing dishes, sweeping and mopping floors.
I'm expected to do all these things in between deliveries. Deliveries where I do nothing but my job to the best of my ability and get crapped on by society because for some reason it is ingrained in our culture that workers in the service industry are worthless, uneducated, ignorant, etc.
On a day to day basis, I listen to people complain constantly about things that I have no control over, bitching at me because the ordertaker forgot to add an item, or because I was late delivering their pizza when they neglected to turn their porch light on and their address marker is nothing short of invisible. When I'm driving, I'm under a microscope. I get driving complaints constantly, even though my driving record is probbably cleaner than your underwear. If someone next to me does a burnout at a light, I will get blamed because their car doesn't have a sign with a phone number on it. It's always MY fault when something goes wrong. How easy would your job be if everything that went wrong in your workplace got blamed on you, and your expected response was to apologize and take people's crap with a smile? Oh, and lets not forget about robberies. I've been chased down the street by armed thugs trying to rob me for 40 some dollars and a large pizza. Have you ever had that happen at your workplace? Please tell me how much money you think just that aspect of the job is worth, on an hourly basis.
I think people need to stop looking at it as 'oh, he just carries pizzas around and sits on his ass all day'. Its more like working in a call center, restaurant, and as a truck driver all rolled in to one. For $5.15 an hour plus tips, with little or no benefits even though its the 5th most dangerous job in the country. Its a high stress job. Jumpem, If you think its easy, why don't you take a vacation from your job for a little bit and try doing it for 60 hours a week, say for a month. I don't think you would even make it to 60 hours in one week.
Its really simple. If you don't want to tip, then come pick your pizza up yourself. After all, if its not THAT hard to do, then you should be fully capable of doing it yourself.
Some people say 15%, but I don't know any pizza guy who will complain about a $2 tip. If you can't or won't spend $2 to have someone deal with traffic, bad weather, the threat of robbery, and wear and tear on their own personal vehicle just to bring a hot pizza to your door, you're pretty pathetic and I hope you choke on your pizza and die. One less asshole I gotta deliver to
I'm expected to do all these things in between deliveries. Deliveries where I do nothing but my job to the best of my ability and get crapped on by society because for some reason it is ingrained in our culture that workers in the service industry are worthless, uneducated, ignorant, etc.
On a day to day basis, I listen to people complain constantly about things that I have no control over, bitching at me because the ordertaker forgot to add an item, or because I was late delivering their pizza when they neglected to turn their porch light on and their address marker is nothing short of invisible. When I'm driving, I'm under a microscope. I get driving complaints constantly, even though my driving record is probbably cleaner than your underwear. If someone next to me does a burnout at a light, I will get blamed because their car doesn't have a sign with a phone number on it. It's always MY fault when something goes wrong. How easy would your job be if everything that went wrong in your workplace got blamed on you, and your expected response was to apologize and take people's crap with a smile? Oh, and lets not forget about robberies. I've been chased down the street by armed thugs trying to rob me for 40 some dollars and a large pizza. Have you ever had that happen at your workplace? Please tell me how much money you think just that aspect of the job is worth, on an hourly basis.
I think people need to stop looking at it as 'oh, he just carries pizzas around and sits on his ass all day'. Its more like working in a call center, restaurant, and as a truck driver all rolled in to one. For $5.15 an hour plus tips, with little or no benefits even though its the 5th most dangerous job in the country. Its a high stress job. Jumpem, If you think its easy, why don't you take a vacation from your job for a little bit and try doing it for 60 hours a week, say for a month. I don't think you would even make it to 60 hours in one week.
Its really simple. If you don't want to tip, then come pick your pizza up yourself. After all, if its not THAT hard to do, then you should be fully capable of doing it yourself.
Some people say 15%, but I don't know any pizza guy who will complain about a $2 tip. If you can't or won't spend $2 to have someone deal with traffic, bad weather, the threat of robbery, and wear and tear on their own personal vehicle just to bring a hot pizza to your door, you're pretty pathetic and I hope you choke on your pizza and die. One less asshole I gotta deliver to
I think EDUCATIONAL/SOCIAL level have a much larger impact then race when it comes to tipping. I used to work in hotels that were frequented by many races. The worst tippers were uneducated blacks who had a total disregard for anything and never tipped. However, I dealt with many very educated blacks that tipped just as well if not better than whites.
The more I read the comments in this thread, the more the watiers' and pizza delivery people piss me off. If you're not happy with your salary, take it up with your employer... Tipping 15% is more than sufficient. If your employer bases your salary on a 15%+ average tip then tell him that it's unrealistic to expect that. Furthermore, it's completely unreasonable to expect everyone to tip 20% to make up for the patrons that stiff you; that's just plain stupid.
I'm Asian and I typically tip well unless you piss me off.
I don't really tip well to valets though. Usually just $1 because of all the times my cars have gotten messed up by them.
Once, I tipped a guy nicely and found out the jerk backed my 3 MO Lexus into a pole. The bumper had a huge crease right down the middle.
Since then, I've been a cheapskate.
I don't really tip well to valets though. Usually just $1 because of all the times my cars have gotten messed up by them.
Once, I tipped a guy nicely and found out the jerk backed my 3 MO Lexus into a pole. The bumper had a huge crease right down the middle.
Since then, I've been a cheapskate.
I'll reiterate..
Tipping is a social norm that has been accepted as a rule.
Tipping is a guilt issue and not a gratuity issue.
Look into the history of tipping.
Tipping is a social norm that has been accepted as a rule.
Tipping is a guilt issue and not a gratuity issue.
Look into the history of tipping.
Tipping $2 is fine. I don't care if I deliver $150 worth of pizza, and only get a $2 tip. Yeah, it would be a minor let down, but I would be a much happier person if EVERYONE tipped at least $2, as would every pizza delivery driver.
Oh, and if waiters and delivery people piss you off, then serve your own damn food or pick up your own pizza.
Maybe I'm just cheap but I see 15% as an avg tip. If the service was poor or the food wasn't the way I ordered, I go lower. If the service or food was beyond what I expected, I tip up to 20%.
I normally find service to be good most of the places I go to, and tip about 20%. If service is slow, and it's obviously the server's fault (ie. chatting with other servers, messing with hair, etc), then I'll go down to 15% or even 10%. With alcohol, it goes up to 25% baseline. Exceptional service gets up to 50%.
For valet parking, I tip normally $2-5, but I absolutely HATE valet parking. Will walk long distances to avoid it. It's not about being cheap. It's about protecting your vehicle. All you need to do is spend like 2 minutes listening to the valets tearing through the parking complexes to realize it.
For valet parking, I tip normally $2-5, but I absolutely HATE valet parking. Will walk long distances to avoid it. It's not about being cheap. It's about protecting your vehicle. All you need to do is spend like 2 minutes listening to the valets tearing through the parking complexes to realize it.
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