Ticket for an "improper acceleration?"

[hanoverphist]

Originally posted by: vi_edit
You light up the tires?

that would have been exhibition of speed, and 3 points. i got out o mine, told the cop it was a new car to me, and hadnt driven it in the rain much. he let it slide.

 

[hanoverphist]

Originally posted by: ZeroIQ

Originally posted by: zerocool84

Originally posted by: ZeroIQ

Originally posted by: zerocool84
You were accelerating fast, eat the ticket, cops word against yours. Just be careful where you play with your car next time.

Fortunately, thats not the way our judicial system works, genius. :roll:

Unless he can prove he wasn't accelerating fast (very difficult to do) and the cop says he was, well then you can figure it out from there

The cop needs to prove by a preponderance of the evidence that he is guilty of what he is accused of. Innocent until proven guilty, not guilty until you can prove your innocence. This is the US we live in, didn't you get the memo?

theoretically, yes. in practical reality, not always the case. most judges ive been in front of assumed, and showed it, that i was guilty before i even had a say for my side. maybe its the human coefficient of cynicism that makes it that way, i dunno. they tgend to believe the cop, since they really have no real reason to lie over a guy that most likely is lying to get out of the consequences of his actions. i think its BS but it does happen.

 

[Xavier434]

Originally posted by: dethman
yes they can. it falls under their reckless driving thingy.

I would be shocked to find it under reckless driving. Possible careless driving though. There is a huge difference. Reckless is mostly used for the much more dangerous things and it has a much steeper penalty. Careless driving is about as severe as a low level speeding ticket. For example, in a fender bender, the person at fault will often get hit with a careless driving ticket.

Of course, I didn't witness the incident so who knows...

 

[Linflas]

Originally posted by: ZeroIQ

Originally posted by: zerocool84

Originally posted by: ZeroIQ

Originally posted by: zerocool84
You were accelerating fast, eat the ticket, cops word against yours. Just be careful where you play with your car next time.

Fortunately, thats not the way our judicial system works, genius. :roll:

Unless he can prove he wasn't accelerating fast (very difficult to do) and the cop says he was, well then you can figure it out from there

The cop needs to prove by a preponderance of the evidence that he is guilty of what he is accused of. Innocent until proven guilty, not guilty until you can prove your innocence. This is the US we live in, didn't you get the memo?

Unfortunately for sake of expediency that concept had been pretty much thrown out the window for traffic offenses. Unless you can afford to pay a lawyer to come in and grill the cop correctly it is pretty much guilty as charged unless you get lucky when you go to court for traffic offenses.

 

[Tylanner]

Fight it.

Sorry if we scared greasy grandpa in the next lane over, but welcome to America!

 

[thepd7]

Originally posted by: ZeroIQ

Originally posted by: thepd7

Originally posted by: ZeroIQ

Originally posted by: zerocool84

Originally posted by: ZeroIQ

Originally posted by: zerocool84
You were accelerating fast, eat the ticket, cops word against yours. Just be careful where you play with your car next time.

Fortunately, thats not the way our judicial system works, genius. :roll:

Unless he can prove he wasn't accelerating fast (very difficult to do) and the cop says he was, well then you can figure it out from there

The cop needs to prove by a preponderance of the evidence that he is guilty of what he is accused of. Innocent until proven guilty, not guilty until you can prove your innocence. This is the US we live in, didn't you get the memo?

Really? So I don't have to pay speeding ticket I got saturday night unless the cop has a picture of the radar with my car and the speed on it? Frikin awesome.

The cops word is considered evidence, so if thats all that is presented then good luck, but A little knowledge of the law can get you off the ticket though. If you ask him to prove the radar gun was serviced and able to be used, had no problems, etc, and he can't then you won your case. If 2 cops were in the car and 1 was holding the gun and the other wrote the ticket, and only one of them show up to court then you can also get off because both officers must appear to give you a fair trial... but you'd need to call them out on it.

I'm not a lawyer nor will I pretend to be one, but just accepting a ticket because a cop gave it to you isn't a very American thing for you to do

I must have missed the part of the Constitution where it's unAmerican to accept responsibilty for your actions.

 

[Old Hippie]

Originally posted by: Linflas

Originally posted by: 911paramedic
Funniest story ever regarding this law and getting cited for it.

Around 1970, or so, my father stopped at a 7-11 (may have been ShortStop back then) which was on a four way stop intersection on the edge of town. He was picking up something at about 2AM on his way home from work. The city had about 10K back then.

He leaves the intersection on the way home and gets pulled over for that very offense. The policeman explained it to him, in which my Dad replied:

"It's 2AM, there is nobody within miles of us, and I am driving a VW Bus. How exactly did I accelerate too quickly?"

True story.

lol, those VW's were fast off the line in 1st gear. Problem was 2nd, 3rd, and 4th where the bug would top out at 86MPH.

Maybe the bugs, but not the busses. I had a '69 Campmobile, and it had to stop to speed-up! :laugh:

 

[UNCjigga]

Originally posted by: KLin
It could also be considered street racing in some areas.

Word. I think there was a town in NC that passed a law worded so that if 2 or more vehicles accelerate at a certain rate from a standing or rolling position, it would be considered street racing and is ticketable even if neither vehicle goes over the speed limit.

 

[zinfamous]

peeling out? yeah it should be a ticket for being an asshat.

 

[GagHalfrunt]

Originally posted by: maziwanka
yea. they can ticket you for improper display of speed (i.e. you accelerate too quickly).

think about it though. were you being a jackass?

If OP got a ticket for it then yes, he was being a jackass. Contrary to the whines of children who get caught and can't accept it like a grown-up, cops don't sit around watching for BS tiny infractions to up their ticket quota. If you get a ticket for something like that it's because you attracted their attention by being stupid. simple solution: DON'T BE STUPID. And while you're at it, quit whining about being caught doing something stupid.

 

[Zenmervolt]

Originally posted by: Eeezee

Originally posted by: Zenmervolt

Originally posted by: Eeezee
Were you actually accelerating very quickly? Frankly, it's a big waste of fuel and needlessly dumps extra pollution into the air if you always accelerate like that. This is the feel-good reason for giving you a ticket; the actual reason is the city can earn money off of you for not driving like everyone else.

You can fight it, but I hope you lose, frankly. If you want to be a racer, go do that on a closed track. Better yet, go hit the freeway; you can reasonably have a high acceleration on the on-ramp.

Actually, an engine is most efficient at wide-open-throttle (WOT). By and large, the gains in efficiency from WOT operation negate the losses from higher RPM from not short-shifting. The most efficient way to accelerate though is WOT and short-shifting. So WOT to 2,000-3,000 RPM (depending on the engine and how widely spaced the gearing is), then upshift.

That said, if the OP broke the tires loose at all then it's a slam-dunk win for the prosecutor. You just don't get to chirp the tires on the street.

ZV

The engine is most efficient at that point, but overall you still consume more fuel. Higher speed = higher drag = more fuel spent. Higher acceleration = more fuel spent. You do accelerate for less time, but now you've murdered your efficiency via more drag over the distance you travel. Even assuming significantly less efficiency at lower accelerations, to second order you will come out ahead in fuel economy overall. I took a thermodynamics course where we calculated the overall difference in fuel consumption between the exact cases we are describing now.

Run the simulation yourself, or hell, do it empirically, I don't care. If you're going to rely in theory, at least recognize that there's more to this than engine efficiency.

You've taken into account a second-order factor that boost fuel economy and ignored the dominating terms that significantly reduce fuel economy.

Wrong. It has been proven over and over again in studies. At WOT, an engine operates orders of magnitude more efficiently due to severe reduction in pumping losses that are otherwise caused by the restrictive throttle butterfly.

The absolute most efficient method for accelerating, from a fuel mileage point of view, is WOT combined with short-shifting. It has this is NOT based on the incorrect theory that "you're accelerating for less time so it's better", it's based on the absolute fact that an engine suffers severe inefficiencies due to pumping losses at small throttle openings, resulting in much of the engine's power being "wasted" to suck air past a restriction in the intake tract.

WOT acceleration combined with shifting at higher RPM has been proven, in actual practice, to show no significant difference in overall fuel economy when compared to light acceleration with moderate gear changes.

You are free to disagree, but you will continue to be wrong.

ZV

 

[Zenmervolt]

Originally posted by: DrPizza

Originally posted by: Eeezee
I took a thermodynamics course where we calculated the overall difference in fuel consumption between the exact cases we are describing now.

In all likelihood, your thermodynamics class made some assumptions in your calculations in order to make the problem simple to handle. IIRC, drag is an insignificant effect until 30 mph or so. (I can't remember the exact speed, but IIRC, it was at least 30mph)

His thermodynamics class also apparently assumed a diesel engine (no throttle butterfly). A gasoline engine is massively inefficient at small throttle openings from pumping losses. If we were talking about diesel engines, Eeezee would be correct, but we weren't.

ZV

 

[meltdown75]

douche driving

punishable by ticket

do not pass go, do not collect $200

 

[Linflas]

Originally posted by: GagHalfrunt

Originally posted by: maziwanka
yea. they can ticket you for improper display of speed (i.e. you accelerate too quickly).

think about it though. were you being a jackass?

If OP got a ticket for it then yes, he was being a jackass. Contrary to the whines of children who get caught and can't accept it like a grown-up, cops don't sit around watching for BS tiny infractions to up their ticket quota. If you get a ticket for something like that it's because you attracted their attention by being stupid. simple solution: DON'T BE STUPID. And while you're at it, quit whining about being caught doing something stupid.

On Cops that pretty much sums up a lot of what they do. They drive around and even say to the camera guy that they are using "tag light out" or a myriad of other reasons to stop a car and check it out. The bottom line from what I see is they can follow almost anyone and find a reason to stop them after a few minutes observation. And if they are willing to admit that with a camera on them I assume they can pretty much find a reason to pull anyone over.

 

[thomsbrain]

Originally posted by: AmberClad
What were you doing? Trying to show off a riced-out Civic by doing a jackrabbit start from a traffic light ?

Corvette != Riced Civic.

Can you blame the buy for giving it some gas every now and then?

 

[manowar821]

Originally posted by: GagHalfrunt

Originally posted by: maziwanka
yea. they can ticket you for improper display of speed (i.e. you accelerate too quickly).

think about it though. were you being a jackass?

If OP got a ticket for it then yes, he was being a jackass. Contrary to the whines of children who get caught and can't accept it like a grown-up, cops don't sit around watching for BS tiny infractions to up their ticket quota. If you get a ticket for something like that it's because you attracted their attention by being stupid. simple solution: DON'T BE STUPID. And while you're at it, quit whining about being caught doing something stupid.

You're so full of it, that it's not even funny. Cops DO watch for the tiniest infractions, and they do so regularly.

I'll accept the consequence of committing a crime, but not breaking a BS law because I failed to keep my acceleration rate under some arbitrary level. I'm not going to limit myself to getting up to 50mph in 20-30 seconds or whatever the hell it is.

"Oh NO, that guy went faster than I did off the light! PULL EM OVER"

How about you don't be stupid, and wake up to realize that this is bullshit, and it doesn't help society in any stretch of the term.

Going faster than someone else off the line is not a crime, it's not wrong, and it's most certainly not stupid. Now, unless the person floored it off the line, I don't see much of a reason at all for concern. I also fail to see how acceleration of ANY rate is dangerous. Speed and inattentiveness kills, not getting to 45mph faster than everyone else.

Get over yourself and get over your pro-authority viewpoint. That attitude does no good for anyone, ever.

 

[secretanchitman]

i refuse to believe that....as long as you are under the speed limit WHO THE HELL CARES how fast you are driving?

fight the hell out of it.

 

[GagHalfrunt]

Originally posted by: manowar821

Originally posted by: GagHalfrunt

Originally posted by: maziwanka
yea. they can ticket you for improper display of speed (i.e. you accelerate too quickly).

think about it though. were you being a jackass?

If OP got a ticket for it then yes, he was being a jackass. Contrary to the whines of children who get caught and can't accept it like a grown-up, cops don't sit around watching for BS tiny infractions to up their ticket quota. If you get a ticket for something like that it's because you attracted their attention by being stupid. simple solution: DON'T BE STUPID. And while you're at it, quit whining about being caught doing something stupid.

You're so full of it, that it's not even funny. Cops DO watch for the tiniest infractions, and they do so regularly.

I'll accept the consequence of committing a crime, but not breaking a BS law because I failed to keep my acceleration rate under some arbitrary level. I'm not going to limit myself to getting up to 50mph in 20-30 seconds or whatever the hell it is.

"Oh NO, that guy went faster than I did off the light! PULL EM OVER"

How about you don't be stupid, and wake up to realize that this is bullshit, and it doesn't help society in any stretch of the term.

Going faster than someone else off the line is not a crime, it's not wrong, and it's most certainly not stupid. Now, unless the person floored it off the line, I don't see much of a reason at all for concern. I also fail to see how acceleration of ANY rate is dangerous. Speed and inattentiveness kills, not getting to 45mph faster than everyone else.

Get over yourself and get over your pro-authority viewpoint. That attitude does no good for anyone, ever.

WAHHHHH!!!!! Mommy, the police are picking on me <snivel>. I didn't do anything wrong!! <cringe> Everyone is out to get me!!! <sob>

Grow the hell up. Taking off too fast IS a crime, it IS dangerous, it IS illegal, it DOES attract attention and it IS the fault of the person doing it. Here's a clue for you, even if the police are watching you DON'T get ticketed for driving like a sane person. It's never happened to me and it's never happened to anyone I know. Every ticket I've received I've deserved. Every one given to a person I was driving with was deserved. EVERY one. With the exception of a couple of small speedtrap towns the cops are not some vast conspiracy out to hassle the innocent. They only give tickets to idiot drivers who give them a reason to do it.

 

[Fenixgoon]

Originally posted by: GagHalfrunt

WAHHHHH!!!!! Mommy, the police are picking on me <snivel>. I didn't do anything wrong!! <cringe> Everyone is out to get me!!! <sob>

Grow the hell up. Taking off too fast IS a crime, it IS dangerous, it IS illegal, it DOES attract attention and it IS the fault of the person doing it. Here's a clue for you, even if the police are watching you DON'T get ticketed for driving like a sane person. It's never happened to me and it's never happened to anyone I know. Every ticket I've received I've deserved. Every one given to a person I was driving with was deserved. EVERY one. With the exception of a couple of small speedtrap towns the cops are not some vast conspiracy out to hassle the innocent. They only give tickets to idiot drivers who give them a reason to do it.

how is taking off dangerous?what does it matter whether you get to 55 in 1/2 a second or 10 seconds?

obviously it is a crime because it is illegal. can something be illegal but not a crime?

 

[Xavier434]

Originally posted by: GagHalfrunt


WAHHHHH!!!!! Mommy, the police are picking on me <snivel>. I didn't do anything wrong!! <cringe> Everyone is out to get me!!! <sob>

Grow the hell up. Taking off too fast IS a crime, it IS dangerous, it IS illegal, it DOES attract attention and it IS the fault of the person doing it. Here's a clue for you, even if the police are watching you DON'T get ticketed for driving like a sane person. It's never happened to me and it's never happened to anyone I know. Every ticket I've received I've deserved. Every one given to a person I was driving with was deserved. EVERY one. With the exception of a couple of small speedtrap towns the cops are not some vast conspiracy out to hassle the innocent. They only give tickets to idiot drivers who give them a reason to do it.

I'm not a fan of taking off fast and I tend to get annoyed when I see people do it because they are usually the same people who tend to cut off others, tailgate a lot, and change lanes very rapidly just to get ahead of the "race". However, I am having difficulty understanding how accelerating beyond certain point from a red light while staying in your lane makes driving any more dangerous for anyone.

 

[meltdown75]

They need to just print "DOUCHE" in giant bold letters on the ticket.

That way, there is no argument.

cop: "Looks like you're driving like a douche."

douche: "tough to argue that one, officer."

 

[GagHalfrunt]

Originally posted by: Fenixgoon

Originally posted by: GagHalfrunt

WAHHHHH!!!!! Mommy, the police are picking on me <snivel>. I didn't do anything wrong!! <cringe> Everyone is out to get me!!! <sob>

Grow the hell up. Taking off too fast IS a crime, it IS dangerous, it IS illegal, it DOES attract attention and it IS the fault of the person doing it. Here's a clue for you, even if the police are watching you DON'T get ticketed for driving like a sane person. It's never happened to me and it's never happened to anyone I know. Every ticket I've received I've deserved. Every one given to a person I was driving with was deserved. EVERY one. With the exception of a couple of small speedtrap towns the cops are not some vast conspiracy out to hassle the innocent. They only give tickets to idiot drivers who give them a reason to do it.

how is taking off dangerous?what does it matter whether you get to 55 in 1/2 a second or 10 seconds?

obviously it is a crime because it is illegal. can something be illegal but not a crime?

This is why:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8-rrAjZz2fI

Search youtube, you'll find 1000 more just like it.

 

[compuwiz1]

LOL
It looks like what happened is just one of the overheads of owning a Corvette.

 

[Vette73]

Originally posted by: GagHalfrunt

Originally posted by: Fenixgoon

Originally posted by: GagHalfrunt

WAHHHHH!!!!! Mommy, the police are picking on me <snivel>. I didn't do anything wrong!! <cringe> Everyone is out to get me!!! <sob>

Grow the hell up. Taking off too fast IS a crime, it IS dangerous, it IS illegal, it DOES attract attention and it IS the fault of the person doing it. Here's a clue for you, even if the police are watching you DON'T get ticketed for driving like a sane person. It's never happened to me and it's never happened to anyone I know. Every ticket I've received I've deserved. Every one given to a person I was driving with was deserved. EVERY one. With the exception of a couple of small speedtrap towns the cops are not some vast conspiracy out to hassle the innocent. They only give tickets to idiot drivers who give them a reason to do it.

how is taking off dangerous?what does it matter whether you get to 55 in 1/2 a second or 10 seconds?

obviously it is a crime because it is illegal. can something be illegal but not a crime?

This is why:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8-rrAjZz2fI

Search youtube, you'll find 1000 more just like it.

And if you had read and saw his sig you would know his car cannot do a burn out unless he turns off his active handling and traction control systems. Even if he floored it, he would not do a burn out with those systems working.

 

[manowar821]

Originally posted by: GagHalfrunt

Originally posted by: Fenixgoon

Originally posted by: GagHalfrunt

WAHHHHH!!!!! Mommy, the police are picking on me <snivel>. I didn't do anything wrong!! <cringe> Everyone is out to get me!!! <sob>

Grow the hell up. Taking off too fast IS a crime, it IS dangerous, it IS illegal, it DOES attract attention and it IS the fault of the person doing it. Here's a clue for you, even if the police are watching you DON'T get ticketed for driving like a sane person. It's never happened to me and it's never happened to anyone I know. Every ticket I've received I've deserved. Every one given to a person I was driving with was deserved. EVERY one. With the exception of a couple of small speedtrap towns the cops are not some vast conspiracy out to hassle the innocent. They only give tickets to idiot drivers who give them a reason to do it.

how is taking off dangerous?what does it matter whether you get to 55 in 1/2 a second or 10 seconds?

obviously it is a crime because it is illegal. can something be illegal but not a crime?

This is why:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8-rrAjZz2fI

Search youtube, you'll find 1000 more just like it.

Haha, oh here it is, conclusive proof that accelerating at a quicker pace than other people on the road is dangerous.

Let me point out a couple things for you here, champ.

1: He's not going fast, he had wheel spin.
2: He was burning out, not "accelerating more quickly than normal", which is what I was talking about.
3: HE WAS RETARDED AND DIDN'T KNOW HOW TO CONTROL HIS CAR IN THE FIRST PLACE. </caps for brain-dead people who can't understand English>

So, if you're going to get off of your infantile high-horse now, and realise you're wrong, that'd be nice. But of course you wont.

PS, I've been ticketed twice for no reason. I fought both and won. Not really a big deal, but I'm just saying it so you can realize that your fucked up "absolute" vision on how cops operate is completely and utterly wrong.