Ticket for an "improper acceleration?"

[frostedflakes]

Originally posted by: GagHalfrunt

Originally posted by: Fenixgoon

Originally posted by: GagHalfrunt

WAHHHHH!!!!! Mommy, the police are picking on me <snivel>. I didn't do anything wrong!! <cringe> Everyone is out to get me!!! <sob>

Grow the hell up. Taking off too fast IS a crime, it IS dangerous, it IS illegal, it DOES attract attention and it IS the fault of the person doing it. Here's a clue for you, even if the police are watching you DON'T get ticketed for driving like a sane person. It's never happened to me and it's never happened to anyone I know. Every ticket I've received I've deserved. Every one given to a person I was driving with was deserved. EVERY one. With the exception of a couple of small speedtrap towns the cops are not some vast conspiracy out to hassle the innocent. They only give tickets to idiot drivers who give them a reason to do it.

how is taking off dangerous?what does it matter whether you get to 55 in 1/2 a second or 10 seconds?

obviously it is a crime because it is illegal. can something be illegal but not a crime?😕

This is why:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8-rrAjZz2fI

Search youtube, you'll find 1000 more just like it.

"What the fuck is wrong with you! You fucking idiot!" :laugh:

 

[Xavier434]

Originally posted by: GagHalfrunt

Originally posted by: Fenixgoon

Originally posted by: GagHalfrunt

WAHHHHH!!!!! Mommy, the police are picking on me <snivel>. I didn't do anything wrong!! <cringe> Everyone is out to get me!!! <sob>

Grow the hell up. Taking off too fast IS a crime, it IS dangerous, it IS illegal, it DOES attract attention and it IS the fault of the person doing it. Here's a clue for you, even if the police are watching you DON'T get ticketed for driving like a sane person. It's never happened to me and it's never happened to anyone I know. Every ticket I've received I've deserved. Every one given to a person I was driving with was deserved. EVERY one. With the exception of a couple of small speedtrap towns the cops are not some vast conspiracy out to hassle the innocent. They only give tickets to idiot drivers who give them a reason to do it.

how is taking off dangerous?what does it matter whether you get to 55 in 1/2 a second or 10 seconds?

obviously it is a crime because it is illegal. can something be illegal but not a crime?😕

This is why:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8-rrAjZz2fI

Search youtube, you'll find 1000 more just like it.

I agree with the others. This video is just an extreme example which takes it much farther than what this thread is about. So extreme that it is comparing apples and oranges.

 

[Parasitic]

Originally posted by: manowar821

Originally posted by: Citrix

Originally posted by: FoBoT
you are guilty, pay the fine

yip, OP is just mad because he got spanked like a bad little boy. take your punishment like a man and pay the fine.

Yeah, because we all know cops are infallible and 100% correct!

There we go again. FoBoT posts the same thing every god darn time.

 

[marincounty]

First of all, cops are assholes. That's why they became cops in the first place.
Second, you are driving a corvette. This is like waving red(or yellow) in front of a bull.
Cops, and people in general are jealous of people driving nicer cars than they do, and even more so if it is a high performance car.
Don't want anymore ridiculous tickets?, sell the 'vette.

 

[Xavier434]

Originally posted by: marincounty
First of all, cops are assholes. That's why they became cops in the first place.
Second, you are driving a corvette. This is like waving red(or yellow) in front of a bull.
Cops, and people in general are jealous of people driving nicer cars than they do, and even more so if it is a high performance car.
Don't want anymore ridiculous tickets?, sell the 'vette.

This is quite true at least where I live. Having a car like that is like painting a bullseye on your rear windshield whether you like it or not. That's not going to change no matter how much anyone feels that it is unfair. I never understood why people would get such powerful sports cars if they are not allowed to drive them like sports cars anyways. I rarely meet anyone who ownes a car like that and takes it to a track.

 

[Zenmervolt]

Originally posted by: Xavier434
I never understood why people would get such powerful sports cars if they are not allowed to drive them like sports cars anyways. I rarely meet anyone who ownes a car like that and takes it to a track.

So? Pavarotti doesn't have to belt out a high "C" every time he opens his mouth, but the fact that he can sing "Nessun Dorma" competently at La Scala means that he can sing "I Got You Babe" in the shower with no effort at all.

You buy a car like that because it is literally never having to work hard in street driving. It's the absolutely effortless way that those cars can sail through everyday driving that makes them incredible. You don't need to even get close to driving at 10/10ths to appreciate them.

ZV

 

[Xavier434]

Originally posted by: Zenmervolt

Originally posted by: Xavier434
I never understood why people would get such powerful sports cars if they are not allowed to drive them like sports cars anyways. I rarely meet anyone who ownes a car like that and takes it to a track.

So? Pavarotti doesn't have to belt out a high "C" every time he opens his mouth, but the fact that he can sing "Nessun Dorma" competently at La Scala means that he can sing "I Got You Babe" in the shower with no effort at all.

You buy a car like that because it is literally never having to work hard in street driving. It's the absolutely effortless way that those cars can sail through everyday driving that makes them incredible. You don't need to even get close to driving at 10/10ths to appreciate them.

ZV

They make cars that are hard to get you from point A to point B these days? 😕

Hell, I live around Miami and I don't even find it difficult to navigate in my cheap little economy car. Keep in mind that I don't care if people get these cars. I just don't understand the point if you rarely get to use it for what it is made for. I got a buddy who is really into this stuff, but he takes his to a track all of the time. To each their own I guess.

 

[Linux23]

God I hate cops.

 

[jagec]

Originally posted by: GagHalfrunt
WAHHHHH!!!!! Mommy, the police are picking on me <snivel>. I didn't do anything wrong!! <cringe> Everyone is out to get me!!! <sob>

Grow the hell up. Taking off too fast IS a crime, it IS dangerous, it IS illegal, it DOES attract attention and it IS the fault of the person doing it. Here's a clue for you, even if the police are watching you DON'T get ticketed for driving like a sane person. It's never happened to me and it's never happened to anyone I know. Every ticket I've received I've deserved. Every one given to a person I was driving with was deserved. EVERY one. With the exception of a couple of small speedtrap towns the cops are not some vast conspiracy out to hassle the innocent. They only give tickets to idiot drivers who give them a reason to do it.

Taking off "too fast" is awfully vague, and as such you cannot claim that it is dangerous, illegal, or attracts attention. What's "too fast" for 90-year-old Elmer may be perfectly reasonable for 30-year-old Steve.

Originally posted by: thepd7

I must have missed the part of the Constitution where it's unAmerican to accept responsibilty for your actions.

I must have missed the part of the Constitution where a vague law like "excessive acceleration" with no real definition is an automatic Guilty verdict.

 

[ponyo]

Interesting responses so far. No, I did not get a ticket. I never said I did in my post. I just thought it was interesting after reading a thread at the Corvetteforum from an individual who did.

http://forums.corvetteforum.co...owthread.php?t=1883510

I don't get to drive the car much but when I do, I do drive it very spiritedly. I usually go for a drive early in the morning like 6am Sunday when the roads are practically empty and usually head for the mountains. It's very easy to spin tires by just giving gas in 1st or 2nd gear even with traction control on especially if the ground is wet.

 

[jlee]

Originally posted by: Coldkilla
The criminal justice professor at university of Wisconsin Milwaukee admits to accelerating very quickly in that cops cannot ticket for acceleration. Take this to court.

I can guarantee that your criminal justice professor at the University of Wisconsin is not familiar with the ordinances of my town. 😛

 

[InflatableBuddha]

Originally posted by: Zenmervolt

Originally posted by: Eeezee

Originally posted by: Zenmervolt

Originally posted by: Eeezee
Were you actually accelerating very quickly? Frankly, it's a big waste of fuel and needlessly dumps extra pollution into the air if you always accelerate like that. This is the feel-good reason for giving you a ticket; the actual reason is the city can earn money off of you for not driving like everyone else.

You can fight it, but I hope you lose, frankly. If you want to be a racer, go do that on a closed track. Better yet, go hit the freeway; you can reasonably have a high acceleration on the on-ramp.

Actually, an engine is most efficient at wide-open-throttle (WOT). By and large, the gains in efficiency from WOT operation negate the losses from higher RPM from not short-shifting. The most efficient way to accelerate though is WOT and short-shifting. So WOT to 2,000-3,000 RPM (depending on the engine and how widely spaced the gearing is), then upshift.

That said, if the OP broke the tires loose at all then it's a slam-dunk win for the prosecutor. You just don't get to chirp the tires on the street.

ZV

The engine is most efficient at that point, but overall you still consume more fuel. Higher speed = higher drag = more fuel spent. Higher acceleration = more fuel spent. You do accelerate for less time, but now you've murdered your efficiency via more drag over the distance you travel. Even assuming significantly less efficiency at lower accelerations, to second order you will come out ahead in fuel economy overall. I took a thermodynamics course where we calculated the overall difference in fuel consumption between the exact cases we are describing now.

Run the simulation yourself, or hell, do it empirically, I don't care. If you're going to rely in theory, at least recognize that there's more to this than engine efficiency.

You've taken into account a second-order factor that boost fuel economy and ignored the dominating terms that significantly reduce fuel economy.

Wrong. It has been proven over and over again in studies. At WOT, an engine operates orders of magnitude more efficiently due to severe reduction in pumping losses that are otherwise caused by the restrictive throttle butterfly.

The absolute most efficient method for accelerating, from a fuel mileage point of view, is WOT combined with short-shifting. It has this is NOT based on the incorrect theory that "you're accelerating for less time so it's better", it's based on the absolute fact that an engine suffers severe inefficiencies due to pumping losses at small throttle openings, resulting in much of the engine's power being "wasted" to suck air past a restriction in the intake tract.

WOT acceleration combined with shifting at higher RPM has been proven, in actual practice, to show no significant difference in overall fuel economy when compared to light acceleration with moderate gear changes.

You are free to disagree, but you will continue to be wrong.

ZV

Not to thread-jack, but I'm curious as to how to get the most efficient acceleration in an automatic. WOT will make the car shift around 5500-6000 RPM, which I'm sure is horribly inefficient. Slow acceleration will cause the first shift around 2500 RPM, which means the car isn't even into its peak power range.

Any idea how to find the sweet spot?

 

[zanejohnson]

i've got one before, and i didnt even break the tires loose... well maybe a chirp (it was an AWD car)

i admit i was being a jackass, and i deserved the ticket... it was like 100 bucks or something...

 

[Zenmervolt]

Originally posted by: Xavier434

Originally posted by: Zenmervolt
You buy a car like that because it is literally never having to work hard in street driving. It's the absolutely effortless way that those cars can sail through everyday driving that makes them incredible. You don't need to even get close to driving at 10/10ths to appreciate them.

ZV

They make cars that are hard to get you from point A to point B these days? 😕

Hell, I live around Miami and I don't even find it difficult to navigate in my cheap little economy car. Keep in mind that I don't care if people get these cars. I just don't understand the point if you rarely get to use it for what it is made for. I got a buddy who is really into this stuff, but he takes his to a track all of the time. To each their own I guess.

Working hard and being hard to drive are different things entirely. It doesn't take anything remotely close to hard driving to feel how sluggish and un-communicative the average family car is today. At 30 mph on a highway entrance ramp you can feel the sidewalls on the tires rolling under and the tendency to plough. A sportscar just doesn't ever get stressed or caught flat-footed. Even at 35 mph the difference between the feel of my 951 and my S70 is huge, and the S70 isn't a really cushy car.

It's not that the driver finds it difficult, it's that the car just doesn't have the same vast amounts of reserve capacity.

ZV

 

[Zenmervolt]

Originally posted by: InflatableBuddha
Not to thread-jack, but I'm curious as to how to get the most efficient acceleration in an automatic. WOT will make the car shift around 5500-6000 RPM, which I'm sure is horribly inefficient. Slow acceleration will cause the first shift around 2500 RPM, which means the car isn't even into its peak power range.

Any idea how to find the sweet spot?

Much harder with an automatic since you cannot control the shift points. I usually use about half-throttle and try to "trick" the transmission into upshifting early by lifting when I want it to shift. I have a good feel by now on the S70 for how much throttle I can give it before it will downshift and how much I have to lift to make it upshift. Once it upshifts I can give it more throttle again.

Still, I usually end up just letting it do its thing which means shifting at around 3,000 RPM.

I'm still averaging better than EPA says I should.

ZV

 

[meltdown75]

Originally posted by: Naustica
Interesting responses so far. No, I did not get a ticket. I never said I did in my post.

LOL 🙂

 

[Canai]

Originally posted by: meltdown75

Originally posted by: Naustica
Interesting responses so far. No, I did not get a ticket. I never said I did in my post.

LOL 🙂

ahaha so everyone's been arguing over something that didn't happen? :laugh:

 

[InflatableBuddha]

Originally posted by: Zenmervolt

Originally posted by: InflatableBuddha
Not to thread-jack, but I'm curious as to how to get the most efficient acceleration in an automatic. WOT will make the car shift around 5500-6000 RPM, which I'm sure is horribly inefficient. Slow acceleration will cause the first shift around 2500 RPM, which means the car isn't even into its peak power range.

Any idea how to find the sweet spot?

Much harder with an automatic since you cannot control the shift points. I usually use about half-throttle and try to "trick" the transmission into upshifting early by lifting when I want it to shift. I have a good feel by now on the S70 for how much throttle I can give it before it will downshift and how much I have to lift to make it upshift. Once it upshifts I can give it more throttle again.

Still, I usually end up just letting it do its thing which means shifting at around 3,000 RPM.

I'm still averaging better than EPA says I should.

ZV

Thanks for the tips. I've been driving my Accord by feel as well - when I "lift" off the gas in first and let it shift at 3000 RPM, the shift is completely smooth. If I want a bit more jump, I run it up to 3500-4000, although I can definitely feel the upshift then.

 

[Apathetic]

Go to court and ask the cop two questions:

1) What is an acceptable rate of acceleration (e.g. X meters/sec^2)
2) How fast were you accelerating

I really doubt he will be able to answer those questions. When he can't answer, ask him since he can't say what an acceptatble rate of acceleration is and he's not sure how fast you acccelerated, how can he possible say you accelerated too fast?

Dave

 

[Xavier434]

Originally posted by: Zenmervolt

Working hard and being hard to drive are different things entirely. It doesn't take anything remotely close to hard driving to feel how sluggish and un-communicative the average family car is today. At 30 mph on a highway entrance ramp you can feel the sidewalls on the tires rolling under and the tendency to plough. A sportscar just doesn't ever get stressed or caught flat-footed. Even at 35 mph the difference between the feel of my 951 and my S70 is huge, and the S70 isn't a really cushy car.

It's not that the driver finds it difficult, it's that the car just doesn't have the same vast amounts of reserve capacity.

ZV

I've experienced this kind of thing with some of the older cars, but the new cars don't seem to have this problem including the economy class ones. At least, I have yet to drive a newer car which responds like that. Mine is a 2005 Hyundai Elantra and I never have this issue.

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: jpeyton
It's your donation to the local government. Be proud to have the opportunity to pay into the system.

Yep

At least ask for an invitation to the Christmas party you are partially funding.

 

[rbV5]

Originally posted by: InflatableBuddha

Originally posted by: Zenmervolt

Originally posted by: InflatableBuddha
Not to thread-jack, but I'm curious as to how to get the most efficient acceleration in an automatic. WOT will make the car shift around 5500-6000 RPM, which I'm sure is horribly inefficient. Slow acceleration will cause the first shift around 2500 RPM, which means the car isn't even into its peak power range.

Any idea how to find the sweet spot?

Much harder with an automatic since you cannot control the shift points. I usually use about half-throttle and try to "trick" the transmission into upshifting early by lifting when I want it to shift. I have a good feel by now on the S70 for how much throttle I can give it before it will downshift and how much I have to lift to make it upshift. Once it upshifts I can give it more throttle again.

Still, I usually end up just letting it do its thing which means shifting at around 3,000 RPM.

I'm still averaging better than EPA says I should.

ZV

Thanks for the tips. I've been driving my Accord by feel as well - when I "lift" off the gas in first and let it shift at 3000 RPM, the shift is completely smooth. If I want a bit more jump, I run it up to 3500-4000, although I can definitely feel the upshift then.

This is exactly why I love the "sport mode" for the automatic transmissions in both our vehicles. Slap the shifter over into sport mode and you control the shift points up and down, and you can also effectlively use engine breaking.

 

[gingerstewart55]

Originally posted by: ZeroIQ

Originally posted by: zerocool84
You were accelerating fast, eat the ticket, cops word against yours. Just be careful where you play with your car next time.

Fortunately, thats not the way our judicial system works, genius. :roll:

Maybe in high profile, seen-on-TV court cases it doesn't.

In traffic court............that's about the size of it. Judge asks cop what happened, asks you what happened, usually (>90%) sides with cop.....which is understandable as the judge and cop are in the same "fraternity" and you are just a wallet to them.

 

[jagec]

Originally posted by: Xavier434
I've experienced this kind of thing with some of the older cars, but the new cars don't seem to have this problem including the economy class ones. At least, I have yet to drive a newer car which responds like that. Mine is a 2005 Hyundai Elantra and I never have this issue.

They still drive like barges compared to sports cars.

Driving a sports car makes you feel like a dolphin frolicking in a pool next to the JV swim team. Yeah, the other cars get the job done, but they don't show true mastery and enjoyment of the medium in which they move.

Originally posted by: gingerstewart55

Originally posted by: ZeroIQ

Originally posted by: zerocool84
You were accelerating fast, eat the ticket, cops word against yours. Just be careful where you play with your car next time.

Fortunately, thats not the way our judicial system works, genius. :roll:

Maybe in high profile, seen-on-TV court cases it doesn't.

In traffic court............that's about the size of it. Judge asks cop what happened, asks you what happened, usually (>90%) sides with cop.....which is understandable as the judge and cop are in the same "fraternity" and you are just a wallet to them.

I'm glad there are people like you out there who just pay the fine straight up, to take the insurance hit so that the rest of us don't have to.🙂

 

[vizkiz]

Originally posted by: Yossarian
Was there a sign nearby saying "ACCELERATION LIMIT 25 FEET/SEC^2"? If so the cop may have a point.

Yes, there was. It was right next to the sign telling him to use his turn signal and to turn on his headlights at night.