This place used to be quite different, no?

[NTMBK]

WWYBYWB

 

[Younigue]

"I have nothing to contribute".



It is refreshing to hear this. I try not to be an asshole but still get fucktarded responses (see above). I don't align myself with any party but I am conservative on some issues that people just don't like (guns ring a bell?). I'm also totally fine with liberal ideas like gay marriage. Just by trying to say that I am a reasonable person who has opinions that are both left and right gets me called a "bothsider(ism)". It annoys me, but I don't just shitpost respond to it because I realize that person just isn't worth responding to.



Not sure how you can believe people to not be right in the head, but I get it. Oh, and humor is obviously a good thing. Nobody wants to be around a bunch of people with sticks up their asses.



Are you saying you find me stupid? We may not agree on gun laws but I don't find you stupid. We may disagree on that, but I'm sure we agree on plenty of other things. I'm not sure if I can say that though without some bozo saying "bothsides", though.



I don't think there has been much common ground since probably the early 2000's. Look at the 80's. Reagan agreed to amnesty. The 90's? Welfare reform. There used to be compromise. Now everything is a pissing match.

Not calling you all-around stupid. I don't know you... and that is the kind of language I used before the Trump Era. In fact it was easy for me to distinguish (in my opinion) a stupid thought or belief from an all around stupid person. Finding it much more difficult these days and it has me rattled.

If I recall correctly you thought I was giving a mixed message on how I feel about guns? That may be so but when it comes down to it I want rapid fire guns out of the hands of civilians, extraordinary background checks, mandatory extensive training and I wouldn't be upset if all gun owners had to submit to a psyche evaluation on a yearly basis on their own dime. No one with a domestic violence or violence of any kind arrest record allowed to own guns, no one on a terrorist watch list allowed guns, no one with a history of mental illness allowed guns ... Oh and for the NRA to be dismantled. I thoroughly despise them. They're a disease upon gun enthusiasts/nutters and the government. And no, I don't care a lick about what ever rights anyone thinks would be stepped on to implement these things. Guns are intended for killing therefore the morbid privilege of owning a gun should be extremely regulated including what guns are permissible for civilians to own.

As for not aligning yourself with a party? Before Trump, neither did I though I am definitely progressive leaning. The system is busting at the seams and hating specific groups of human beings for it is shit. Utopia doesn't nor will it ever exist therefore it will always be up to the human race to aid and guide the least of its people and keep checks and balances on its people with the most. It should be done in a way that allows dignity because that is how to build a society. Not for political reasons but because we all gotta live life on this rock together. Tearing each other down or apart especially within a designated society is just counterproductive (yes I see the irony in what I'm saying but my anger and frustration is with those who think in terms of hurting others to protect their own through governance... They deserve to be verbally thrashed. To legislate shittiness is disgusting... but still, not productive to go after those married to being ignorant and cruel).

Stop caring about the both sides thing. Every one of us knows that regardless of the impressions we leave here of only regurgitating talking points we're each individuals with individual experiences leading us to our beliefs. Those experiences can of course be guided by extreme measures and we do see cultists in here but they are definitely not bothsiders and they are properly called out when they try it. Otherwise, I think the majority of people are. I don't use the bothsiders argument because it's weird. That being said, in most things I believe progressive is the only and inevitable way to go but in some things I'm moderate. I could probably never be called a conservative. Well, I'm very conservative with my own money. Every dime has a purpose, up to and including charity. My friends say I'm the most responsible free-spirit they've ever met. I wanna slap their tongues for calling me responsible!

Trumpublicans are a different breed. They are without a doubt a lower class of human. I have only been convinced, never dissuaded in this.

 

[Starbuck1975]

If I remember correctly, there used to be some libertarian types here. And/or other people with more varied, and nuanced views. But now frankly, to use a crude term, it seems like a liberal circle jerk. Or is my memory playing tricks with me?

It’s the polarizing nature of Trump. As an Eisenhower conservative who rejects Trump but empathizes with those who voted for him, I have found that most are no longer interested in nuance or context.

 

[Thebobo]

Would you agree that the left has slid further to the left as well?

I wouldn't

 

[Thunder 57]

WWYBYWB

I actually had to Google that... Is it possible to get banned from P&N? I mean I guess making death threats?

Not calling you all-around stupid. I don't know you...

LoL all around stupid. I guess I can live with that. You are more reasonable than I had thought, but I'm sure I would think you are stupid on some things as well.

I wouldn't

You would be wrong. Just look at sanctuary cities/states.

 

[Thebobo]

You would be wrong. Just look at sanctuary cities/states.

Well I learned something today, "Sanctuary cities" have been around for a long time. But they didn't have the name or stigma as such.

https://tropicsofmeta.com/2017/02/02/a-brief-history-of-sanctuary-cities/

 

[brycejones]

I actually had to Google that... Is it possible to get banned from P&N? I mean I guess making death threats?
.

A surprising number of "conservatives" have manged to get themselves banned. Most often its posting flat out racist or homophobic comments after being warned repeatedly trying to blame everyone else for their own personal failings.

 

[Capt Caveman]

I actually had to Google that... Is it possible to get banned from P&N? I mean I guess making death threats?

Well, the OP posts about the history of the forum when he's only been a member since Feb. He's obviously a RBM.

 

[brandonbull]

A surprising number of "conservatives" have manged to get themselves banned. Most often its posting flat out racist or homophobic comments after being warned repeatedly trying to blame everyone else for their own personal failings.

I can speak from experience but it's the liberal posters that keep sending reports to the mods for any comments that are not agreeable to the prevailing liberal political views. Those same posters go about their day making wild, unfounded accusations and posting very disrespectful comments towards "conservatives", "Trumptards", or any other poster viewed not progressive enough. They want their little echo chamber so they can feel all warm and fuzzy about being closed minded sheeple.

 

[ivwshane]

I can speak from experience but it's the liberal posters that keep sending reports to the mods for any comments that are not agreeable to the prevailing liberal political views. Those same posters go about their day making wild, unfounded accusations and posting very disrespectful comments towards "conservatives", "Trumptards", or any other poster viewed not progressive enough. They want their little echo chamber so they can feel all warm and fuzzy about being closed minded sheeple.

You don't even see the irony in your post, do you?

 

[Thunder 57]

Well, the OP posts about the history of the forum when he's only been a member since Feb. He's obviously a RBM.

You don't know that. It could be a lurker. Or someone who used to post here and forgot their password and made a new account. What you say may be true, but I wouldn't call it "obvious".

 

[jackstar7]

This adds nothing to the conversation. You are also assuming that the poster has a problem with gays. You are part of the reason this forum sucks.

Shame. I thought it added some levity and silliness.

You guys really do need a safe space, eh?

 

[Thunder 57]

Shame. I thought it added some levity and silliness.

You guys really do need a safe space, eh?

Not when it is done constantly. I am opposed to safe spaces, like I said, I want to hear different viewpoints. I won't get all pissy if someone doesn't agree with me, unlike many snowflake millennials (coming from a millennial).

 

[fskimospy]

Not when it is done constantly. I am opposed to safe spaces, like I said, I want to hear different viewpoints. I won't get all pissy if someone doesn't agree with me, unlike many snowflake millennials (coming from a millennial).

This is an odd thing to say considering a good portion of conservatives are basically whining that this board isn’t a safe space for them.

The ‘snowflakes’ aren’t liberal millennials, they are older conservatives.

 

[Thebobo]

I can speak from experience but it's the liberal posters that keep sending reports to the mods for any comments that are not agreeable to the prevailing liberal political views. Those same posters go about their day making wild, unfounded accusations and posting very disrespectful comments towards "conservatives", "Trumptards", or any other poster viewed not progressive enough. They want their little echo chamber so they can feel all warm and fuzzy about being closed minded sheeple.

Seriously I find this hard to believe for just not agreeing with prevailing liberal views.

 

[Jhhnn]

Well WTF do you want me to say? Anybody should be able to realize both sides have their pros and cons. If you really think one side has all the answers, you are a pawn or an idiot.

Just another example of what those who dared to have different views got annoyed with and fled for the most part. Rather than formulate a reasonable response, you'll get a reply with one of the following:

Bothsides
Derp
Ben Ghazi
Freedumb
But her emails

etc. Certainly not a comprehensive list.

I pointed out how GOP policy, particularly tax policy, is detrimental to the welfare of the People & to the whole idea of a broad & prosperous middle class. You dismissively agreed that it was "worrisome", then went on to make completely vague accusations about the supposed "Left" as if that somehow counters the real & detrimental effects of GOP policy. It wasn't an argument on your part but merely a deflection, an excellent example of... bothsiderism.

 

[Younigue]

I actually had to Google that... Is it possible to get banned from P&N? I mean I guess making death threats?



LoL all around stupid. I guess I can live with that. You are more reasonable than I had thought, but I'm sure I would think you are stupid on some things as well.



You would be wrong. Just look at sanctuary cities/states.

Doubt it.

 

[Starbuck1975]

This is an odd thing to say considering a good portion of conservatives are basically whining that this board isn’t a safe space for them.

The ‘snowflakes’ aren’t liberal millennials, they are older conservatives.

This is a silly statement. If older conservatives wanted a safe space they certainly wouldn’t come here...although I think most now recognize it is best to not enter a circle jerk thread without a raincoat.

Some of the liberal posters, like you, engage in intellectually honest debate. Others are a bunch of dogmatic lemmings.

Also, the origin of the word snowflake in political debate does not apply to conservatives no matter how deperately some of the liberals here try to appropriate it.

 

[SMOGZINN]

The Republican party has sprinted so far to the right that it is becoming hard to call yourself a conservative without being straight up delusional. I considered myself a right leaning moderate on financial views, and left leaning on social. It was during Bush the Younger's term that I started to consider that the Republican party no longer really represented anything similar to my idea of conservative views, even on financial issues. Even when they campaigned on things I agreed with they never came even close to backing it up with policy once elected. Then because I found myself hard pressed to identify with most of the Republican party candidates I started to pay attention to the Democrats. I still have a hard time agreeing with many Democrats on fiscal issues, but I find that for the most part they at least appear sincere in their attempts to put their campaign promises into policy, something Republicans certainly are not.

When it comes to social policy I have found that listening to liberals with an open mind has moved me a lot farther left than I would ever have believed I would go. To put it simply, if you let go of your pre-conceived notions and consider their arguments, they are quite convincing. They rely less on faith and emotion and have a lot more evidence and willingness to change built into them. The main problem with most conservative arguments is that they are rigid and unwilling to admit it when they are not working. The conservative argument is always that if it is not working we just need to try doing the same things even harder, even though we have been trying the same things on some of these issues for hundreds of years now.

 

[Younigue]

Not when it is done constantly. I am opposed to safe spaces, like I said, I want to hear different viewpoints. I won't get all pissy if someone doesn't agree with me, unlike many snowflake millennials (coming from a millennial).

Keep in mind, millennial's parents raised them to be the way that they are.

 

[fskimospy]

This is a silly statement. If older conservatives wanted a safe space they certainly wouldn’t come here...although I think most now recognize it is best to not enter a circle jerk thread without a raincoat.

Some of the liberal posters, like you, engage in intellectually honest debate. Others are a bunch of dogmatic lemmings.

Also, the origin of the word snowflake in political debate does not apply to conservatives no matter how deperately some of the liberals here try to appropriate it.

The origin was conservatives mocking liberals but in practice they are the ones demanding that people stop criticizing them or that they are picked on. I can’t remember how many times conservatives have claimed a moderation conspiracy against themselves, for example.

 

[Greenman]

OP is yet another poor victim of P&N who clearly deserves reparations... When oh when will the victimization of the poor, fat, white, male, conservative ever reach its peak in this country? Those poor snowflakes. Run out of here so many times and banished to their safe spaces. Every so often one dusts themselves off and tries to put their big boy pants on again and comes back to declare that their new sock is what a winner really looks like!!!!

No arguments, no truths, no balls any more... just the foot stomping and breath holding of petulant children who can't back up their talking points and only come here to fling poop from their diapers, light it on fire and claim victory..

I've been watching this shit for over 10 years now. Pathetic. Boring.

Benghazi

EDIT: Oh, and I see the "I was a liberal" card has already been played again... Yawn and plonk.

Speaking of cards played, the keyboard tough guy routine died when every pudgy 12 year old on the planet started using it.

 

[brycejones]

I can speak from experience but it's the liberal posters that keep sending reports to the mods for any comments that are not agreeable to the prevailing liberal political views. Those same posters go about their day making wild, unfounded accusations and posting very disrespectful comments towards "conservatives", "Trumptards", or any other poster viewed not progressive enough. They want their little echo chamber so they can feel all warm and fuzzy about being closed minded sheeple.

Yet you are still here. If your theory was correct you would have been booted long again.
It comes down to people not following the rules. Nothing more, nothing less.

 

[Younigue]

This is a silly statement. If older conservatives wanted a safe space they certainly wouldn’t come here...although I think most now recognize it is best to not enter a circle jerk thread without a raincoat.

Some of the liberal posters, like you, engage in intellectually honest debate. Others are a bunch of dogmatic lemmings.

Also, the origin of the word snowflake in political debate does not apply to conservatives no matter how deperately some of the liberals here try to appropriate it.

They cry a lot, what do you call them or yourself?

Come on, give us a catch phrase for conservatives who cry so much (possibly in a effort to drown the left?). Especially when they come here to be intellectual thugs, checking their intelligence (when applicable and I'm dubious they ever had any in many cases) at the door and fail in dramatic fashion.

Women have heard this for years but it fittingly applies to you and several others... You're Ugly Criers. <--- would you prefer that over snowflake? It unfortunately has a feminine connotation. Let's change that together, alright little buddy?

 

[dank69]

I actually had to Google that... Is it possible to get banned from P&N? I mean I guess making death threats?



LoL all around stupid. I guess I can live with that. You are more reasonable than I had thought, but I'm sure I would think you are stupid on some things as well.



You would be wrong. Just look at sanctuary cities/states.

Hmm, sanctuary cities are an example of the radical left? I thought states' rights was a bastion of conservatism?