this mta strike in NYC

[psteng19]

Originally posted by: xospec1alk

Originally posted by: waggy
are people in Ny backing the workers? seen mixed articles and tv spots about it.

its like 50/50 i think

Surprisingly, a slight majority of NYC'ers are in support of the union workers and their strike, something like 52/40/8 according to a poll I saw on the news :roll:

Are these people just ignorant or do they have relatives in the TWU?

 

[xospec1alk]

Originally posted by: psteng19

Originally posted by: xospec1alk

Originally posted by: waggy
are people in Ny backing the workers? seen mixed articles and tv spots about it.

its like 50/50 i think

Surprisingly, a slight majority of NYC'ers are in support of the union workers and their strike, something like 52/40/8 according to a poll I saw on the news :roll:

Are these people just ignorant or do they have relatives in the TWU?

I don't think they read the news is the problem. I talked to a friend yesterday and she mentioned that the MTA should pay the TWU more since they had a surplus...I had to explain to her the whole one time surplus thing, and how the pensions are going to wreak havok down the line.

 

[Stifko]

Originally posted by: DaWhim
woohoooooo, an interesting read from wsj. all I can say is I can't agree more.

What Would Reagan Do?
By STEVEN MALANGA
December 21, 2005; Page A19

.... New York officials should also privatize big chunks of the transit system, as many other cities in the U.S. and abroad are doing. For the past 50 years New York has unfortunately moved in the opposite direction, preferring to take over private lines and to house transit operations in a gigantic state agency, the MTA, or to offer no-bid franchises to a few politically connected and heavily subsidized private lines -- all in the mistaken belief that having workers on the public payrolls would prohibit strikes and make the system more reliable .....

Mr. Malanga, contributing editor to the City Journal, is the author of "The New New Left" (Ivan R. Dee, 2005).
URL for this article:
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB113513530777628211.html

idiots! I have seen first hand the quality of service go down dramatically when the city takes over a private bus line. Who are these fools in city gov't making terrible decisions and bucking a trend by putting MORE workers on city payrolls and how do they keep their jobs? Other cities are outsourcing these services and we are bringing them in house? How fargan stupid and short-sighted is that. Plus the fact that many of these private bus lines were made part of the MTA years ago and the drivers still do not have a contracts.

The whole MTA should be privatized already. Its not working and full of corruption. Look at how they were keeping 2 sets of books to hide the surplus that they "found." I am on the side of the unions. You can try to simplify this by saying that they make enough money already but there is a lot more going on. Looks like to me the MTA wanted this strike. Why else would they spring that 6% contribution thing on the union at the 11th hour? The union already said that they are not making any more concessions. They were calling their bluff?

 

[xospec1alk]

Originally posted by: Stifko

Originally posted by: DaWhim
woohoooooo, an interesting read from wsj. all I can say is I can't agree more.

What Would Reagan Do?
By STEVEN MALANGA
December 21, 2005; Page A19

.... New York officials should also privatize big chunks of the transit system, as many other cities in the U.S. and abroad are doing. For the past 50 years New York has unfortunately moved in the opposite direction, preferring to take over private lines and to house transit operations in a gigantic state agency, the MTA, or to offer no-bid franchises to a few politically connected and heavily subsidized private lines -- all in the mistaken belief that having workers on the public payrolls would prohibit strikes and make the system more reliable .....

Mr. Malanga, contributing editor to the City Journal, is the author of "The New New Left" (Ivan R. Dee, 2005).
URL for this article:
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB113513530777628211.html

idiots! I have seen first hand the quality of service go down dramatically when the city takes over a private bus line. Who are these fools in city gov't making terrible decisions and bucking a trend by putting MORE workers on city payrolls and how do they keep their jobs? Other cities are outsourcing these services and we are bringing them in house? How fargan stupid and short-sighted is that. Plus the fact that many of these private bus lines were made part of the MTA years ago and the drivers still do not have a contracts.

The whole MTA should be privatized already. Its not working and full of corruption. Look at how they were keeping 2 sets of books to hide the surplus that they "found." I am on the side of the unions. You can try to simplify this by saying that they make enough money already but there is a lot more going on. Looks like to me the MTA wanted this strike. Why else would they spring that 6% contribution thing on the union at the 11th hour? The union already said that they are not making any more concessions. They were calling their bluff?

they 'sprung' the 6% contribution on because that would have kept the retirement age at 55 instead of 62 which is what the union wanted

 

[loup garou]

Here's Toussaint live. Let's see what kind of crap he spews.

Heeeeeere's the Rosa Parks reference. Scumbag.

haha...now bashing Bloomberg for something he did that may or may not have been illegal years ago.

 

[Rudee]

I bet you could make some money if you had a large van and could shuttle people to and from work during this strike for $20 a pop.

 

[oddyager]

Originally posted by: psteng19

Originally posted by: xospec1alk

Originally posted by: waggy
are people in Ny backing the workers? seen mixed articles and tv spots about it.

its like 50/50 i think

Surprisingly, a slight majority of NYC'ers are in support of the union workers and their strike, something like 52/40/8 according to a poll I saw on the news :roll:

Are these people just ignorant or do they have relatives in the TWU?

Did they ask 100 people exactly? Last poll I saw regarding public support had something like 3/4s of the city that do not support the TWU. Heck picking up today's Post should serve as a good inidcator of how much we "support" the union.

 

[waggy]

Originally posted by: loup garou
Here's Toussaint live. Let's see what kind of crap he spews.

Heeeeeere's the Rosa Parks reference. Scumbag.

haha...now bashing Bloomberg for something he did that may or may not have been illegal years ago.

how are the people taking him always comparing them to Rosa Parks?

I am curious to see what the average person sees this. wonder when feelings are going to change?

Personally i would like to see a major backlash against the strikers.

 

[Hacp]

Originally posted by: xospec1alk

Originally posted by: Stifko

Originally posted by: DaWhim
woohoooooo, an interesting read from wsj. all I can say is I can't agree more.

What Would Reagan Do?
By STEVEN MALANGA
December 21, 2005; Page A19

.... New York officials should also privatize big chunks of the transit system, as many other cities in the U.S. and abroad are doing. For the past 50 years New York has unfortunately moved in the opposite direction, preferring to take over private lines and to house transit operations in a gigantic state agency, the MTA, or to offer no-bid franchises to a few politically connected and heavily subsidized private lines -- all in the mistaken belief that having workers on the public payrolls would prohibit strikes and make the system more reliable .....

Mr. Malanga, contributing editor to the City Journal, is the author of "The New New Left" (Ivan R. Dee, 2005).
URL for this article:
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB113513530777628211.html

idiots! I have seen first hand the quality of service go down dramatically when the city takes over a private bus line. Who are these fools in city gov't making terrible decisions and bucking a trend by putting MORE workers on city payrolls and how do they keep their jobs? Other cities are outsourcing these services and we are bringing them in house? How fargan stupid and short-sighted is that. Plus the fact that many of these private bus lines were made part of the MTA years ago and the drivers still do not have a contracts.

The whole MTA should be privatized already. Its not working and full of corruption. Look at how they were keeping 2 sets of books to hide the surplus that they "found." I am on the side of the unions. You can try to simplify this by saying that they make enough money already but there is a lot more going on. Looks like to me the MTA wanted this strike. Why else would they spring that 6% contribution thing on the union at the 11th hour? The union already said that they are not making any more concessions. They were calling their bluff?

they 'sprung' the 6% contribution on because that would have kept the retirement age at 55 instead of 62 which is what the union wanted

QFT. The MTA needs to save money on pensions somehow, and that is the way they can do it. It is 6% for 10 years IIRC, then it goes back down to 2%. Nothing major, if you plan for your retirement accordingly.

 

[Hacp]

Originally posted by: waggy

Originally posted by: loup garou
Here's Toussaint live. Let's see what kind of crap he spews.

Heeeeeere's the Rosa Parks reference. Scumbag.

haha...now bashing Bloomberg for something he did that may or may not have been illegal years ago.

how are the people taking him always comparing them to Rosa Parks?

I am curious to see what the average person sees this. wonder when feelings are going to change?

Personally i would like to see a major backlash against the strikers.

Ya I was LOL when I heard the rosa parks comparison. How bout we arrest all the union leaders and then say that it isn't illegal because Rosa Parks defied the law? How would they like that? I forsee a backlash in the appeals court after they hear the statement toussiant made.

 

[waggy]

Originally posted by: psteng19

Originally posted by: xospec1alk

Originally posted by: waggy
are people in Ny backing the workers? seen mixed articles and tv spots about it.

its like 50/50 i think

Surprisingly, a slight majority of NYC'ers are in support of the union workers and their strike, something like 52/40/8 according to a poll I saw on the news :roll:

Are these people just ignorant or do they have relatives in the TWU?

I think it may be they do not see the big picture. that surplus is going to go away fast. whith the huge payraise they want faires are going ot have to raise.

 

[virtueixi]

Originally posted by: waggy

Originally posted by: loup garou
Here's Toussaint live. Let's see what kind of crap he spews.

Heeeeeere's the Rosa Parks reference. Scumbag.

haha...now bashing Bloomberg for something he did that may or may not have been illegal years ago.

how are the people taking him always comparing them to Rosa Parks?

I am curious to see what the average person sees this. wonder when feelings are going to change?

Personally i would like to see a major backlash against the strikers.

At least they had bus drivers back then!:laugh:

 

[loup garou]

Originally posted by: Hacp

Originally posted by: waggy

Originally posted by: loup garou
Here's Toussaint live. Let's see what kind of crap he spews.

Heeeeeere's the Rosa Parks reference. Scumbag.

haha...now bashing Bloomberg for something he did that may or may not have been illegal years ago.

how are the people taking him always comparing them to Rosa Parks?

I am curious to see what the average person sees this. wonder when feelings are going to change?

Personally i would like to see a major backlash against the strikers.

Ya I was LOL when I heard the rosa parks comparison. How bout we arrest all the union leaders and then say that it isn't illegal because Rosa Parks defied the law? How would they like that? I forsee a backlash in the appeals court after they hear the statement toussiant made.

The NY1 reporter was talking about possible "prison fines" for Toussaint before they cut over to his speech...I wonder if she meant imprisonment? :Q

OMG ROFL, he's saying it's the mayor and governor's fault for "taking the city hostage." This guy is a great standup comedian. :laugh:

 

[Hacp]

Originally posted by: bigrash
I had to stand at the LIRR Flushing station for 2 fvcking hours today in 20 something degree weather. Just watched trains pass us by one after the other.
I hope these dumbass mta union workers diaff.

OMFG. ME too. I bet I was in the same station as you were. That was ****** stupid. I arrived at 7:30 and had to wait until like 9:45 to actually board a train. I wasn't complaning much, but some jackass shouted at a LIRR employee about the passing trains. I think the shea stadium LIRR station is good for penn station is it not?

 

[oddyager]

Originally posted by: Hacp

Originally posted by: xospec1alk

Originally posted by: Stifko

Originally posted by: DaWhim
woohoooooo, an interesting read from wsj. all I can say is I can't agree more.

What Would Reagan Do?
By STEVEN MALANGA
December 21, 2005; Page A19

.... New York officials should also privatize big chunks of the transit system, as many other cities in the U.S. and abroad are doing. For the past 50 years New York has unfortunately moved in the opposite direction, preferring to take over private lines and to house transit operations in a gigantic state agency, the MTA, or to offer no-bid franchises to a few politically connected and heavily subsidized private lines -- all in the mistaken belief that having workers on the public payrolls would prohibit strikes and make the system more reliable .....

Mr. Malanga, contributing editor to the City Journal, is the author of "The New New Left" (Ivan R. Dee, 2005).
URL for this article:
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB113513530777628211.html

idiots! I have seen first hand the quality of service go down dramatically when the city takes over a private bus line. Who are these fools in city gov't making terrible decisions and bucking a trend by putting MORE workers on city payrolls and how do they keep their jobs? Other cities are outsourcing these services and we are bringing them in house? How fargan stupid and short-sighted is that. Plus the fact that many of these private bus lines were made part of the MTA years ago and the drivers still do not have a contracts.

The whole MTA should be privatized already. Its not working and full of corruption. Look at how they were keeping 2 sets of books to hide the surplus that they "found." I am on the side of the unions. You can try to simplify this by saying that they make enough money already but there is a lot more going on. Looks like to me the MTA wanted this strike. Why else would they spring that 6% contribution thing on the union at the 11th hour? The union already said that they are not making any more concessions. They were calling their bluff?

they 'sprung' the 6% contribution on because that would have kept the retirement age at 55 instead of 62 which is what the union wanted

QFT. The MTA needs to save money on pensions somehow, and that is the way they can do it. It is 6% for 10 years IIRC, then it goes back down to 2%. Nothing major, if you plan for your retirement accordingly.

What the fools from the TWU won't admit to is that the MTA is actually using half of the surplus (some $450million I believe) for their pensions. So it is not like they aren't getting a dime.

 

[Hacp]

Originally posted by: oddyager

Originally posted by: Hacp

Originally posted by: xospec1alk

Originally posted by: Stifko

Originally posted by: DaWhim
woohoooooo, an interesting read from wsj. all I can say is I can't agree more.

What Would Reagan Do?
By STEVEN MALANGA
December 21, 2005; Page A19

.... New York officials should also privatize big chunks of the transit system, as many other cities in the U.S. and abroad are doing. For the past 50 years New York has unfortunately moved in the opposite direction, preferring to take over private lines and to house transit operations in a gigantic state agency, the MTA, or to offer no-bid franchises to a few politically connected and heavily subsidized private lines -- all in the mistaken belief that having workers on the public payrolls would prohibit strikes and make the system more reliable .....

Mr. Malanga, contributing editor to the City Journal, is the author of "The New New Left" (Ivan R. Dee, 2005).
URL for this article:
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB113513530777628211.html

idiots! I have seen first hand the quality of service go down dramatically when the city takes over a private bus line. Who are these fools in city gov't making terrible decisions and bucking a trend by putting MORE workers on city payrolls and how do they keep their jobs? Other cities are outsourcing these services and we are bringing them in house? How fargan stupid and short-sighted is that. Plus the fact that many of these private bus lines were made part of the MTA years ago and the drivers still do not have a contracts.

The whole MTA should be privatized already. Its not working and full of corruption. Look at how they were keeping 2 sets of books to hide the surplus that they "found." I am on the side of the unions. You can try to simplify this by saying that they make enough money already but there is a lot more going on. Looks like to me the MTA wanted this strike. Why else would they spring that 6% contribution thing on the union at the 11th hour? The union already said that they are not making any more concessions. They were calling their bluff?

they 'sprung' the 6% contribution on because that would have kept the retirement age at 55 instead of 62 which is what the union wanted

QFT. The MTA needs to save money on pensions somehow, and that is the way they can do it. It is 6% for 10 years IIRC, then it goes back down to 2%. Nothing major, if you plan for your retirement accordingly.

What the fools from the TWU won't admit to is that the MTA is actually using half of the surplus (some $450million I believe) for their pensions. So it is not like they aren't getting a dime.

Well, actually they aren't getting a dime. The pensions were unpaid, so they were funding unpaid obligations. Still, that is better than not funding the pensions, and having the federal government take it over after the MTA goes bankrupt.

 

[bigrash]

Originally posted by: waggy
are people in Ny backing the workers? seen mixed articles and tv spots about it.

the only way i'm backing them is if i get to hit them with a baseball bat from behind

 

[loup garou]

Originally posted by: bigrash

Originally posted by: waggy
are people in Ny backing the workers? seen mixed articles and tv spots about it.

the only way i'm backing them is if i get to hit them with a baseball bat from behind

rofl

 

[Hacp]

Originally posted by: bigrash

Originally posted by: waggy
are people in Ny backing the workers? seen mixed articles and tv spots about it.

the only way i'm backing them is if i get to hit them with a baseball bat from behind

Ya, it seems like the people who don't know alot about the situation back the union workers, while the people that have followed the situation and understand it well tend to support the MTA.

 

[waggy]

Originally posted by: bigrash

Originally posted by: waggy
are people in Ny backing the workers? seen mixed articles and tv spots about it.

the only way i'm backing them is if i get to hit them with a baseball bat from behind

hahahah

 

[rh71]

This sucks... my wife is getting home too tired now and can't cook dinner. F%#* the TWU !

 

[Zim Hosein]

Originally posted by: rh71
This sucks... my wife is getting home too tired now and can't cook dinner. F%#* the TWU !

Order in, that's what I did today

 

[dartworth]

:thumbsup:TWU

 

[rh71]

Originally posted by: dartworth
:thumbsup:TWU

let's drag dartworth into a fight. So why do you support them ? And the all-important question... do you know anyone in the TWU ?

 

[abc]

Originally posted by: rh71
This sucks... my wife is getting home too tired now and can't cook dinner. F%#* the TWU !

lol... that's the final straw huh!