this mta strike in NYC

[PUN]

awesome post.

 

[T2k]

Originally posted by: halik
Let me reiterate that 47-50K before overtime is amazing for unskilled labor, even in nyc.

Like i said earlier I'm graduating from top 10 school with two degrees and actually got a job for ~60K in NYC. That's with no paid overtime either (~60+ hour weeks). Also I happen to work for the best paid bank on wall street, all my buddies that got in the same business make about 5-8K less than I do. So that puts them at the same sallary as the MTA workers... except we've invested 100K+ into education.

Which bank is that? I hope not some Citi-related because that's the most horrible and notoriously fined bank... I used to work on Wall when I came here - pretty boring place, you'll see.

BTW do you know that your 100K-worth of education (whatever it means) is also free in many other parts of the Western world? I could also tell you horror stories about folks are coming from much more expensive and snobbish schools with surprisingly average or even less knowledge...

How was 40K in nyc not a good starting sallary?

Let me ask you to read my earlier post on this.

PS: my point on the costs is solely to show how many of our things are utterly and artifically overpriced.

 

[rh71]

Originally posted by: T2k
It's very simple: if there are plenty of below-than-average or average pharmacists, then they will end up on the corner Ph and their wages will go down. If he thinks he should get better, then go on! Take a higher paid job if he can. Pure and simple.

I think it's really funny you say that seeing that you're on the TWU's side.

Plain and simple, these TWU guys can't do better and when denied an 8% ANNUAL raise for the next 3 years, they cry about it and drag everyone else down with them. I wish I could do that at my job. I work for one of the biggest corporations on this planet and see only 3% raises (we all do, if any)... despite the ridiculous profit WE bring in. 8% is simply unheard of. Shut up and do your job at the salary increase they've already offered is what I would say to these people. Because with their credentials, they really can't do better. You tried, got denied, give it up. There's no crying.

The workers want 8 percent annual raises over three years and contend they should get a share of the MTA's $1 billion surplus.

source as posted multiple times

 

[PUN]

Originally posted by: T2k

Originally posted by: halik
Let me reiterate that 47-50K before overtime is amazing for unskilled labor, even in nyc.

Like i said earlier I'm graduating from top 10 school with two degrees and actually got a job for ~60K in NYC. That's with no paid overtime either (~60+ hour weeks). Also I happen to work for the best paid bank on wall street, all my buddies that got in the same business make about 5-8K less than I do. So that puts them at the same sallary as the MTA workers... except we've invested 100K+ into education.

Which bank is that? I hope not some Citi-related because that's the most horrible and notoriously fined bank... I used to work on Wall when I came here - pretty boring place, you'll see.

BTW do you know that your 100K-worth of education (whatever it means) is also free in many other parts of the Western world? I could also tell you horror stories about folks are coming from much more expensive and snobbish schools with surprisingly average or even less knowledge...

How was 40K in nyc not a good starting sallary?

Let me ask you to read my earlier post on this.

there is always an exception to every rule but generally, top 10 school means top 10 graduates, which translates to better salary.
Just because you did not goto ivy league school instead graduated from oversea school, no need to despair one. Just acknowlege their accomplishments

 

[PUN]

Originally posted by: rh71

Originally posted by: T2k
It's very simple: if there are plenty of below-than-average or average pharmacists, then they will end up on the corner Ph and their wages will go down. If he thinks he should get better, then go on! Take a higher paid job if he can. Pure and simple.

I think it's really funny you say that seeing that you're on the TWU's side.

Plain and simple, these TWU guys can't do better and when denied an 8% ANNUAL raise for the next 3 years, they cry about it and drag everyone else down with them. I wish I could do that at my job. I work for one of the biggest corporations on this planet and see only 3% raises (we all do, if any)... despite the ridiculous profit. 8% is simply unheard of. Shut up and do your job at the salary increase they've already offered is what I would say to these people. Because with their credentials, they really can't do better. You tried, got denied, give it up. There's no crying.

The workers want 8 percent annual raises over three years and contend they should get a share of the MTA's $1 billion surplus.

source as posted multiple times

sad thing is these monkeys got away with benefits.

 

[T2k]

Originally posted by: rh71

Originally posted by: T2k
It's very simple: if there are plenty of below-than-average or average pharmacists, then they will end up on the corner Ph and their wages will go down. If he thinks he should get better, then go on! Take a higher paid job if he can. Pure and simple.

I think it's really funny you say that seeing that you're on the TWU's side.

Umm which part you couldn't get? TWU has walked. Anything else I can help with?

Plain and simple, these TWU guys can't do better and when denied an 8% ANNUAL raise for the next 3 years, they cry about it and drag everyone else down with them. I wish I could do that at my job. I work for one of the biggest corporations on this planet and see only 3% raises (we all do, if any)... despite the ridiculous profit. 8% is simply unheard of. Shut up and do your job at the salary increase they've already offered is what I would say to these people. Because with their credentials, they really can't do better. You tried, got denied, give it up. There's no crying.

The workers want 8 percent annual raises over three years and contend they should get a share of the MTA's $1 billion surplus.

source as posted multiple times

Apparently you missed half of this topic. Please, read back and pay attention.
I'm tired of reciting everything for every late night poster...

 

[PUN]

Originally posted by: T2k

Originally posted by: rh71

Originally posted by: T2k
It's very simple: if there are plenty of below-than-average or average pharmacists, then they will end up on the corner Ph and their wages will go down. If he thinks he should get better, then go on! Take a higher paid job if he can. Pure and simple.

I think it's really funny you say that seeing that you're on the TWU's side.

Umm which part you couldn't get? TWU has walked. Anything else I can help with?

Plain and simple, these TWU guys can't do better and when denied an 8% ANNUAL raise for the next 3 years, they cry about it and drag everyone else down with them. I wish I could do that at my job. I work for one of the biggest corporations on this planet and see only 3% raises (we all do, if any)... despite the ridiculous profit. 8% is simply unheard of. Shut up and do your job at the salary increase they've already offered is what I would say to these people. Because with their credentials, they really can't do better. You tried, got denied, give it up. There's no crying.

The workers want 8 percent annual raises over three years and contend they should get a share of the MTA's $1 billion surplus.

source as posted multiple times

Apparently you missed half of this topic. Please, read back and pay attention.
I'm tired of reciting everything for every late night poster...

he has not missed anything. You are confused and wrong about every aspect of this political matter. I asked you four times what you do for living but refuse to answer? I smell MTA monkey on AT

You should've seen these guys on FOX news picketing outside in this cold weather. Picketing is about voicing their opionion when they have public's attention, but they refuse to say anything to the media...circling around the picket line. They should've just stayed home if they had nothing better to say

 

[rh71]

Originally posted by: T2k

Originally posted by: rh71

Originally posted by: T2k
It's very simple: if there are plenty of below-than-average or average pharmacists, then they will end up on the corner Ph and their wages will go down. If he thinks he should get better, then go on! Take a higher paid job if he can. Pure and simple.

I think it's really funny you say that seeing that you're on the TWU's side.

Umm which part you couldn't get? TWU has walked. Anything else I can help with?

Plain and simple, these TWU guys can't do better and when denied an 8% ANNUAL raise for the next 3 years, they cry about it and drag everyone else down with them. I wish I could do that at my job. I work for one of the biggest corporations on this planet and see only 3% raises (we all do, if any)... despite the ridiculous profit. 8% is simply unheard of. Shut up and do your job at the salary increase they've already offered is what I would say to these people. Because with their credentials, they really can't do better. You tried, got denied, give it up. There's no crying.

The workers want 8 percent annual raises over three years and contend they should get a share of the MTA's $1 billion surplus.

source as posted multiple times

Apparently you missed half of this topic. Please, read back and pay attention.
I'm tired of reciting everything for every late night poster...

I did catchup on everything I missed... did you admit you missed the 8% annual increase ? I didn't see it anywhere. If so, then I'm happy. Point me to where I can be happy.

BTW, they walked illegally, and obviously put themselves ahead of millions of NY'kers who help pay their salary. I wish I could do that to get my way... I really do. These people think they're better than everyone else. What's more sad is they hope to gain backing from the public based on what they've done for the public in the past. Somehow they want us to feel sorry for their $50k wages and want us to get them to $60k-$70k in 3 years. Assinine. You didn't miss that post I made Tuesday morning in this thread quoting the union president, did you ?

 

[PUN]

they walked and then crawled back to the table the next day.

 

[T2k]

Originally posted by: DaWhim
woohoooooo, an interesting read from wsj. all I can say is I can't agree more.

What Would Reagan Do?
By STEVEN MALANGA
December 21, 2005; Page A19

(...)

But now New York officials should take a page from President Reagan's playbook: The MTA should start sending out termination letters to striking workers for breaking the law, and hiring a new work force -- including offering jobs to current workers, but on terms set down by the MTA.

While rebuilding the work force, transit officials could unleash the privately owned van services and bus lines, which they currently prohibit from operating along public bus lines, to protect the MTA's and the TWU's monopoly. The MTA should begin handing out long-term contracts for these operators to provide alternate, competitive services on a permanent basis.

New York officials should also privatize big chunks of the transit system, as many other cities in the U.S. and abroad are doing. For the past 50 years New York has unfortunately moved in the opposite direction, preferring to take over private lines and to house transit operations in a gigantic state agency, the MTA, or to offer no-bid franchises to a few politically connected and heavily subsidized private lines -- all in the mistaken belief that having workers on the public payrolls would prohibit strikes and make the system more reliable.

Elsewhere, transit authorities are more like outsourcing contractors than operators, bidding out lines and overseeing routes. Denver and San Diego have contracted 35% of their bus routes. But perhaps the best model is London, where, spurred by Margaret Thatcher, officials began an aggressive transit privatization program nearly 20 years ago. London's bus lines, though designed by the city, are now operated by some 40 private companies. Only on such a model can New York begin to rein in its high costs and stop repeated union blackmail.

Mr. Malanga, contributing editor to the City Journal, is the author of "The New New Left" (Ivan R. Dee, 2005).
URL for this article:
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB113513530777628211.html

Hahaha, the classic BS. WSJ, after all - business as usual, licking the big businesses @sses, no matter what kind of BS they're hinting...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/london/content/art...005/10/04/bus_tube_fares_feature.shtml

He conceded the new single Tube fare of £3 would probably be the most expensive in the world.

As I wrote above: there's no profitable or self-sustainable public transportation with affordable fares.

 

[PUN]

did you all hear about a lady who waited 1hr for a cab ride to goto 42nd st from Penn station?

 

[T2k]

Originally posted by: rh71

Originally posted by: T2k

Originally posted by: rh71

Originally posted by: T2k
It's very simple: if there are plenty of below-than-average or average pharmacists, then they will end up on the corner Ph and their wages will go down. If he thinks he should get better, then go on! Take a higher paid job if he can. Pure and simple.

I think it's really funny you say that seeing that you're on the TWU's side.

Umm which part you couldn't get? TWU has walked. Anything else I can help with?

Plain and simple, these TWU guys can't do better and when denied an 8% ANNUAL raise for the next 3 years, they cry about it and drag everyone else down with them. I wish I could do that at my job. I work for one of the biggest corporations on this planet and see only 3% raises (we all do, if any)... despite the ridiculous profit. 8% is simply unheard of. Shut up and do your job at the salary increase they've already offered is what I would say to these people. Because with their credentials, they really can't do better. You tried, got denied, give it up. There's no crying.

The workers want 8 percent annual raises over three years and contend they should get a share of the MTA's $1 billion surplus.

source as posted multiple times

Apparently you missed half of this topic. Please, read back and pay attention.
I'm tired of reciting everything for every late night poster...

I did catchup on everything I missed... did you admit you missed the 8% annual increase ?

I never missed it. But you missed when I tried to point the attention of some slow folks to the right direction, where's this 8% is coming from (ie opening offer and it was off the table long time ago when MTA has changed its final word).

I didn't see it anywhere. If so, then I'm happy. Point me to where I can be happy.

Look back. You did miss it several times. Happy?

BTW, they walked illegally. I wish I could do that to get my way... I really do. These people think they're better than everyone else. What's more sad is they hope to gain backing from the public based on what they've done for the public in the past. Somehow they want us to feel sorry for their $50k wages. You didn't miss that post I made Tuesday morning in this thread quoting the union president, did you ?

It's really possible I did. Which one?

If you ask me, TWU was waaay too stupid to start with an all-over strike immediately. I'd start with a partial one which would spread like a virus: it takes days to get further and further but during those days I'd still negotiate. If MTA wouldn't then I'd publicly announce my new offers, so the people would know it's not me who isn't ready for a deal.

 

[rh71]

Some pregnant lady had to be rushed to the hospital while in her 4-person carpool this morning. There was a delay thanks to all the traffic on the streets. Thanks TWU ! Happy Holidays.

 

[Black88GTA]

T2k - just curious here, but you have been asked 5 times now what you do for a living, and refuse to even acknowledge the question. Judging by your posts, anyone reading this would have to assume that you are affiliated in some way with the MTA - since you don't seem to see anything wrong with their outrageous demands, not to mention their flat-out extortion of the city. One more time....

WHAT DO YOU DO FOR A LIVING??

 

[rh71]

Originally posted by: T2k

Originally posted by: rh71

Originally posted by: T2k

Originally posted by: rh71

Originally posted by: T2k
It's very simple: if there are plenty of below-than-average or average pharmacists, then they will end up on the corner Ph and their wages will go down. If he thinks he should get better, then go on! Take a higher paid job if he can. Pure and simple.

I think it's really funny you say that seeing that you're on the TWU's side.

Umm which part you couldn't get? TWU has walked. Anything else I can help with?

Plain and simple, these TWU guys can't do better and when denied an 8% ANNUAL raise for the next 3 years, they cry about it and drag everyone else down with them. I wish I could do that at my job. I work for one of the biggest corporations on this planet and see only 3% raises (we all do, if any)... despite the ridiculous profit. 8% is simply unheard of. Shut up and do your job at the salary increase they've already offered is what I would say to these people. Because with their credentials, they really can't do better. You tried, got denied, give it up. There's no crying.

The workers want 8 percent annual raises over three years and contend they should get a share of the MTA's $1 billion surplus.

source as posted multiple times

Apparently you missed half of this topic. Please, read back and pay attention.
I'm tired of reciting everything for every late night poster...

I did catchup on everything I missed... did you admit you missed the 8% annual increase ?

I never missed it. But you missed when I tried some slow folks to point the right direction on where's this 8% is coming from (ie opening offer and it was off the table long time ago when MTA has changed its final word).

You're a real piece of work. "Tried some slow folks" ? All you're telling us with this "game" you think you're playing is that you're well-practiced at dodging straight up questions. When someone asks you repeatedly how they'll deal with the potential deficit in '07 if the 8% raises were handed out, you don't say "show me the 8%" if you supposedly knew it was 8% all along. Answer the questions or admit you're wrong.

 

[T2k]

Originally posted by: Black88GTA
T2k - just curious here, but you have been asked 5 times now what you do for a living, and refuse to even acknowledge the question. Judging by your posts, anyone reading this would have to assume that you are affiliated in some way with the MTA - since you don't seem to see anything wrong with their outrageous demands, not to mention their flat-out extortion of the city. One more time....

WHAT DO YOU DO FOR A LIVING??

I do not have any affiliation with MTA or TWU or any other public company.
More details have been sent by PM.

 

[PUN]

Originally posted by: T2k

Originally posted by: rh71

Originally posted by: T2k

Originally posted by: rh71

Originally posted by: T2k
It's very simple: if there are plenty of below-than-average or average pharmacists, then they will end up on the corner Ph and their wages will go down. If he thinks he should get better, then go on! Take a higher paid job if he can. Pure and simple.

I think it's really funny you say that seeing that you're on the TWU's side.

Umm which part you couldn't get? TWU has walked. Anything else I can help with?

Plain and simple, these TWU guys can't do better and when denied an 8% ANNUAL raise for the next 3 years, they cry about it and drag everyone else down with them. I wish I could do that at my job. I work for one of the biggest corporations on this planet and see only 3% raises (we all do, if any)... despite the ridiculous profit. 8% is simply unheard of. Shut up and do your job at the salary increase they've already offered is what I would say to these people. Because with their credentials, they really can't do better. You tried, got denied, give it up. There's no crying.

The workers want 8 percent annual raises over three years and contend they should get a share of the MTA's $1 billion surplus.

source as posted multiple times

Apparently you missed half of this topic. Please, read back and pay attention.
I'm tired of reciting everything for every late night poster...

I did catchup on everything I missed... did you admit you missed the 8% annual increase ?

I never missed it. But you missed when I tried to point the attention of some slow folks to the right direction, where's this 8% is coming from (ie opening offer and it was off the table long time ago when MTA has changed its final word).

I didn't see it anywhere. If so, then I'm happy. Point me to where I can be happy.

Look back. You did miss it several times. Happy?

BTW, they walked illegally. I wish I could do that to get my way... I really do. These people think they're better than everyone else. What's more sad is they hope to gain backing from the public based on what they've done for the public in the past. Somehow they want us to feel sorry for their $50k wages. You didn't miss that post I made Tuesday morning in this thread quoting the union president, did you ?

It's really possible I did. Which one?

If you ask me, TWU was waaay too stupid to start with an all-over strike immediately. I'd start with a partial one which would spread like a virus: it takes days to get further and further but during those days I'd still negotiate. If MTA wouldn't then I'd publicly announce my new offers, so the people would know it's not me who isn't ready for a deal.

ANother dumb post by T2K. Union is a union, there is no partial strike that spreads like a virus.

 

[T2k]

Originally posted by: rh71

Originally posted by: T2k

Originally posted by: rh71

Originally posted by: T2k

Originally posted by: rh71

Originally posted by: T2k
It's very simple: if there are plenty of below-than-average or average pharmacists, then they will end up on the corner Ph and their wages will go down. If he thinks he should get better, then go on! Take a higher paid job if he can. Pure and simple.

I think it's really funny you say that seeing that you're on the TWU's side.

Umm which part you couldn't get? TWU has walked. Anything else I can help with?

Plain and simple, these TWU guys can't do better and when denied an 8% ANNUAL raise for the next 3 years, they cry about it and drag everyone else down with them. I wish I could do that at my job. I work for one of the biggest corporations on this planet and see only 3% raises (we all do, if any)... despite the ridiculous profit. 8% is simply unheard of. Shut up and do your job at the salary increase they've already offered is what I would say to these people. Because with their credentials, they really can't do better. You tried, got denied, give it up. There's no crying.

The workers want 8 percent annual raises over three years and contend they should get a share of the MTA's $1 billion surplus.

source as posted multiple times

Apparently you missed half of this topic. Please, read back and pay attention.
I'm tired of reciting everything for every late night poster...

I did catchup on everything I missed... did you admit you missed the 8% annual increase ?

I never missed it. But you missed when I tried some slow folks to point the right direction on where's this 8% is coming from (ie opening offer and it was off the table long time ago when MTA has changed its final word).

You're a real piece of work. "Tried some slow folks" ?

Yes, it's very funny to nitpick at 2:30AM a non-native English person's post, I agree. Very well-mannered and very meaningful at the same time.

All you're telling us with this "game" you think you're playing is that you're well-practiced at dodging straight up questions.

I'm deeply saddened you still didn't get my point but that's all I can do...

 

[PUN]

Originally posted by: T2k

Originally posted by: Black88GTA
T2k - just curious here, but you have been asked 5 times now what you do for a living, and refuse to even acknowledge the question. Judging by your posts, anyone reading this would have to assume that you are affiliated in some way with the MTA - since you don't seem to see anything wrong with their outrageous demands, not to mention their flat-out extortion of the city. One more time....

WHAT DO YOU DO FOR A LIVING??

I do not have any affiliation with MTA or TWU or any other public company.
More details have been sent by PM.

Do you drive a yellow cab?

 

[rh71]

Yes, it's very funny to nitpick at 2:30AM a non-native English person's post, I agree. Very well-mannered and very meaningful at the same time.

^ that was not making fun. You simply took it the wrong way. I was only quoting you and responding to those antics. Read the post again.

 

[T2k]

Originally posted by: rh71

Yes, it's very funny to nitpick at 2:30AM a non-native English person's post, I agree. Very well-mannered and very meaningful at the same time.

^ that was not making fun. You simply took it the wrong way. I was only quoting you and responding to those antics. Read the post again.

I answered already. It's not the TWU's nor the MTA's job to fix it. Which part don't you get?

 

[rh71]

Originally posted by: T2k

Originally posted by: rh71

Yes, it's very funny to nitpick at 2:30AM a non-native English person's post, I agree. Very well-mannered and very meaningful at the same time.

^ that was not making fun. You simply took it the wrong way. I was only quoting you and responding to those antics. Read the post again.

I answered already. It's not the TWU's nor the MTA's job to fix it. Which part don't you get?

So give them the 8% anyway ? Let's dig deeper! Sounds like a plan.

Honestly - bleeding should stop... and I only see one side trying to do that. Who do you propose should fix it if not them ?

 

[PUN]

apparently we all don't get it, but the mighty T2K
Clap clap

He has not made any valid statement and continues to refer to his original post which leads to his original post, nothing.

 

[T2k]

Originally posted by: rh71

Originally posted by: T2k

Originally posted by: rh71

Yes, it's very funny to nitpick at 2:30AM a non-native English person's post, I agree. Very well-mannered and very meaningful at the same time.

^ that was not making fun. You simply took it the wrong way. I was only quoting you and responding to those antics. Read the post again.

I answered already. It's not the TWU's nor the MTA's job to fix it. Which part don't you get?

So give them the 8% anyway ? Let's dig deeper! Sounds like a plan.

No, it was about 9%. Over 3 years. And that's OK. (3-3-3 which is pretty much the inflation, I believe.)

Honestly - bleeding should stop... and I only see one side trying to do that. Who do you propose should fix it if not them ?

Federal (regulate the reckless drug companies and utterly retarded health system) and State (regulate public transportation) + City (regulate this city)

PS: It's almost 3AM, I have to go to sleep... if I want to be at my desk around 10AM I have to get up around 7-8AM nowadays...

 

[PUN]

Originally posted by: T2k

Originally posted by: rh71

Originally posted by: T2k

Originally posted by: rh71

Yes, it's very funny to nitpick at 2:30AM a non-native English person's post, I agree. Very well-mannered and very meaningful at the same time.

^ that was not making fun. You simply took it the wrong way. I was only quoting you and responding to those antics. Read the post again.

I answered already. It's not the TWU's nor the MTA's job to fix it. Which part don't you get?

So give them the 8% anyway ? Let's dig deeper! Sounds like a plan.

No, it was about 9%. Over 3 years. And that's OK.

Honestly - bleeding should stop... and I only see one side trying to do that. Who do you propose should fix it if not them ?

Federal (regulate the reckless drug companies and utterly retarded health system) and State (regulate public transportation) + City (regulate this city)

If you don't know what you are talking about, just goto sleep dude. It sounds like you are trying hard to apply high school economics. How does/could Federal play a role in this matter? MTA or MTA employees are the responsible parties. Given that you are not a 40 y/o virgin. If you have a problem with your spouse, do you expect your 70y/o parents to fix the problem?

Also if you had taken at least grade 7 math, 8% increase per year works out to compounding 9% increase over base over 3 years