this mta strike in NYC

[PUN]

PS: It's almost 3AM, I have to go to sleep... if I want to be at my desk around 10AM I have to get up around 7-8AM nowadays...

good luck handing out metro cards from your desk tomo

 

[loup garou]

LOL, Toussaint is digging himself into a hole he'll never be able to claw out of. He was absolutely violated by the papers today, and is now calling Bloomberg's statements "Giuliani-style terror tactics." Great way to invoke the name of a well-liked former mayor in a negative light. Somebody needs to hire this guy a good PR firm.

 

[Queasy]

Heh... supposedly the average train or bus driver makes $63,000 a year while the average station agent makes $51,000/year. The average New Yorker makes $45,000/year.

This union picked the wrong fight at the wrong time. If Bloomberg had any cajones he would announce plans to automate the subway system like France.

 

[sniperruff]

T2K: it doesn't matter if you're foreign or whatnot. I'm a Pharmacology major. I graduated and got a job as a lab tech at Columbia Univ... $32k a year. Oh how about the elite foreign-educated PhD's you say? They start at $35k... you read that right, $35000, before tax, in the city, and it doesn't matter if you're educated from some top school in India, or Bejing Univ in China, or freaking NYU. $35000.

Since I work with mice, there are people who have to maintain the animal facility. How much do they get? $22k a year. Do they have a college education? No. Do they work as hard as the MTA people? You bet, probably with more pressure as well, and the work is more physical demanding.

You just have to pick the majors that get you lots of money in college to get you above $45k once you get out. And half of these MTA slackers didn't even go to a community college.

 

[PUN]

Originally posted by: Queasy
Heh... supposedly the average train or bus driver makes $63,000 a year while the average station agent makes $51,000/year. The average New Yorker makes $45,000/year.

This union picked the wrong fight at the wrong time. If Bloomberg had any cajones he would announce plans to automate the subway system like France.

NYC will have automated subway system in near future.
Remeber the days when they got rid of token booth with metrocard?

 

[xospec1alk]

Originally posted by: PUN

Originally posted by: Queasy
Heh... supposedly the average train or bus driver makes $63,000 a year while the average station agent makes $51,000/year. The average New Yorker makes $45,000/year.

This union picked the wrong fight at the wrong time. If Bloomberg had any cajones he would announce plans to automate the subway system like France.

NYC will have automated subway system in near future.
Remeber the days when they got rid of token booth with metrocard?

heh remeber when it was a blue metrocard? and gold metrocard was the only one that allowed bus to subway transfer?

 

[PUN]

Originally posted by: sniperruff
And half of these MTA slackers didn't even go to a community college.

that's an overstatment.
Let me rephrase " All of MTA slackers did not even goto community college"

 

[isasir]

Was it Toussaint or someone else that tried dropping the race card when Bloomberg referred to them as thugs?

 

[MrChad]

My 50 block walk to work this morning wasn't as bad as I expected. And I got there a lot faster than if I had taken a taxi. :laugh:

 

[abc]

Originally posted by: PUN

Originally posted by: Queasy
Heh... supposedly the average train or bus driver makes $63,000 a year while the average station agent makes $51,000/year. The average New Yorker makes $45,000/year.

This union picked the wrong fight at the wrong time. If Bloomberg had any cajones he would announce plans to automate the subway system like France.

NYC will have automated subway system in near future.
Remeber the days when they got rid of token booth with metrocard?

yes i remember when the MTA transitioned to the cards... and the machines broke down, the whole project was millions over budget and missed deadlines... and something about the repair crew the MTA had to rely on to fix broken machines had to be the maker of the machines, the whole thing was very very shady and costly to the MTA.

 

[rh71]

On one hand with automation you feel bad for people losing their jobs. On the other hand, you have this union doing everything to show they are the greedy and selfish (yes, selfish) people they are. I wouldn't shed a tear for these people losing their jobs. Maybe I would for their children though. The smart ones need to get out of the union.

 

[xospec1alk]

Originally posted by: rh71
On one hand with automation you feel bad for people losing their jobs. On the other hand, you have this union doing everything to show they are the greedy and selfish (yes, selfish) people they are. I wouldn't shed a tear for these people losing their jobs. Maybe I would for their children though. The smart ones need to get out of the union.

I agree...i don't see what the problem with automation is. Stupid union and their scare tactics made the hipsters in williamsburg all jumpy about trains jumping the tracks and causing accidents..ugggg

 

[halik]

Originally posted by: T2k

Originally posted by: halik
Let me reiterate that 47-50K before overtime is amazing for unskilled labor, even in nyc.

Like i said earlier I'm graduating from top 10 school with two degrees and actually got a job for ~60K in NYC. That's with no paid overtime either (~60+ hour weeks). Also I happen to work for the best paid bank on wall street, all my buddies that got in the same business make about 5-8K less than I do. So that puts them at the same sallary as the MTA workers... except we've invested 100K+ into education.

Which bank is that? I hope not some Citi-related because that's the most horrible and notoriously fined bank... I used to work on Wall when I came here - pretty boring place, you'll see.

BTW do you know that your 100K-worth of education (whatever it means) is also free in many other parts of the Western world? I could also tell you horror stories about folks are coming from much more expensive and snobbish schools with surprisingly average or even less knowledge...

How was 40K in nyc not a good starting sallary?

Let me ask you to read my earlier post on this.

PS: my point on the costs is solely to show how many of our things are utterly and artifically overpriced.

I work for GS and I've got friends at DB and Merril. Goldman tends to stay out of the shady deals usually end in FTC slap across the face. The corporate policy is not do anythign that you ague with "well technically it's not illegal".

Also what does the cost or quality of education have anything do with this debate? The point everyone is trying to make is using ILLEGAL tactics to extort even higher sallary when you're overpaid is really shady and not cool. Whether I know more or less compared to some other student is entirely irrelevant, both of us could drive a subway or a bus for nearly the same sallary and save the 100K on education.


Just wait tho, the costs of the strike are mouting. Soon or leter you hit the treshhold where it's more cost effective to replace these guys with technology and have automatirc trains like in JFK.

 

[abc]

Originally posted by: xospec1alk

Originally posted by: rh71
On one hand with automation you feel bad for people losing their jobs. On the other hand, you have this union doing everything to show they are the greedy and selfish (yes, selfish) people they are. I wouldn't shed a tear for these people losing their jobs. Maybe I would for their children though. The smart ones need to get out of the union.

I agree...i don't see what the problem with automation is. Stupid union and their scare tactics made the hipsters in williamsburg all jumpy about trains jumping the tracks and causing accidents..ugggg

gotta let technology and innovation infuse new blood to a old big transportation system that needs to be fluid as part of a world city that this NYC is promoted to be. You gotta feel even worse then, for all those IT people that lost their jobs due to global competition/sourcing. IT people weren't protected by a union.

Ha ha, hipsters... yep the Union didnt need to do much to put the scare on their ass.
The TWU was prob. laughing at how well it worked.

Sheltered wannabenewyorkers from smalltown cities and states in the midwest and such.

I'd never give them the luxury of calling them with something that was 'selflabelled'.

More like wannabetrenders.

 

[abc]

Originally posted by: isasir
Was it Toussaint or someone else that tried dropping the race card when Bloomberg referred to them as thugs?

Tousaaint / Pissaaint is a Comedian, he should be on Leno cracking jokes.

 

[Red Dawn]

Good let those Pricks walk in the cold..whinky bitches

 

[rh71]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Good let those Pricks walk in the cold..whinky bitches

EVERYONE is walking in the cold.

 

[bigrash]

I had to stand at the LIRR Flushing station for 2 fvcking hours today in 20 something degree weather. Just watched trains pass us by one after the other.
I hope these dumbass mta union workers diaff.

 

[waggy]

are people in Ny backing the workers? seen mixed articles and tv spots about it.

 

[xospec1alk]

Originally posted by: waggy
are people in Ny backing the workers? seen mixed articles and tv spots about it.

its like 50/50 i think

 

[abc]

they better not be allowed to negotiate away their monetary fines already applied. Once again they are ILLEGALLY abandoning their jobs and permanently caused this city and people money lost that cannot be regained why should they be allowed to reduce their liability while coming back to their job they abandoned...

number two is, if you allow the fines to be negiotated to go back to work sooner, the fines don't serve as deterance to striking in the future either!


I read 900 workers have come back to work on their own. Boy they gonna be spit at.

 

[Queasy]

Originally posted by: waggy
are people in Ny backing the workers? seen mixed articles and tv spots about it.

Here are some quotes from the NY Times print edition this morning:

"I'm going to have to work till I'm 80 so some 20-year-old can retire at 55? I don't think so."

"I would love to have a job that would give me a 3 percent raise every year, benefits for life, both medical and dental, and retirement at 62 [sic] with a full pension. If any openings occur, let me know."

"I heard a transit worker complain to a reporter about how the MTA wants more productivity from its workers without an increase in pay. Welcome to the real world."

 

[thirdlegstump]

My trek to work used to take ~40 minutes. Now it takes an hour and twenty minutes. Definitely not backing any of these lazy tard ass workers.

 

[Zee]

these workers need to be fired and replacements need to be hired. or at the very least, the group leading the union and responsible for declining what was a reasonable offer from the MTA needs to be fired and shot.

 

[abc]

Originally posted by: Zee
these workers need to be fired and replacements need to be hired. or at the very least, the group leading the union and responsible for declining what was a reasonable offer from the MTA needs to be fired and shot.

down with that. they illegally abandoned their jobs. illegally.

they should not be able to come back to their jobs...

those jobs should not automatically be there waiting for them.

Would our jobs be waiting for us if we are not self employed but work for an entity?

and if they come back they better pay up on the fines because we all already are paying for them breaking the law, and don't tell me they have 15yrs to cough it up.