The Official PS4 Thread

[Imported]

Anyone plan on getting the Turtle Beach PX4 to go with your system or have past experience with the TB headsets? I'm currently using the optical out hooked up to an headphone amp further hooked up to wired headphones on the PS3 but I'm thinking a wireless option wouldn't be a bad thing, but I hardly ever use the microphone to make a full headset worthwhile.

 

[Krazy4Real]

Joystiq is also saying it won't have DLNA support, dynamic themes, or even support .mp3 files. Odd.

No DLNA support would suck balls. I use that all the time on PS3.

 

[Arkaign]

No DLNA support would suck balls. I use that all the time on PS3.

Sounds like partial FUD. As in, they didn't finalize it before running the manufacturing of the first series, hence a big day 1 patch to get the systems all on the same page. With the complexity in software for XB1/PS4, we should see some major patching for the first few weeks and months, from day 1.

Anyway, one could correctly say that it didn't have X or Y feature, but if that stuff is simply not finalized and coming in the day 1 or week 1 patch, then it's sort of just making a troll article for page hits.

 

[Aikouka]

But alas, the controller itself does not come with a charging cable.

The DualShock 3 didn't either.

 

[KentState]

The DualShock 3 didn't either.

But the PS3 itself originally came with a cable in the box and so does the PS4.

 

[American Gunner]

I'm just irritated that they still can't figure out how to allow people to change their user ID's. Maybe by the time the PS5 rolls around, their people can get a handle on that.

 

[cmdrdredd]

How are we to charge it then? If the ps3 cable fits I can use that, I have plenty of those mini usb cables.

Do you have a non apple branded phone? Use that cable. All my android phones have the cable necessary for the Dualshock 4.

 

[cmdrdredd]

How is that better? An external drive allows you to extend the space available while continuing to utilize the original. Unless there is an easy way (and the PS3 didn't have one IIRC) to transfer your data from the launch HDD to a new one, external wins hands down.

I can't read the link, but I'd imagine it will eventually end up having external HDD support. They just didn't have it ready for launch, so it is launching without it.

Cause USB is slow, even USB 3.0 is slow compared to SATA. If the PS4 can handle faster HDDs properly, it would be worth going internal with a fast drive for load times.

Honestly looking down the list of stuff that isn't going to work with the PS4 from day one, it appears they stripped out anything that wasn't integral to the gaming and PSN experience. There's always room to add support later on. Gives me more reason to hold on to my PS3 anyway.

 

[Pheran]

Cause USB is slow, even USB 3.0 is slow compared to SATA.

Not really.

USB 3.0 - 5 Gbps, SATA III - 6 Gbps

SATA is faster, but not by a huge margin. If the other end of the link is spinning disk, it won't matter at all.

 

[cmdrdredd]

Not really.

USB 3.0 - 5 Gbps, SATA III - 6 Gbps

SATA is faster, but not by a huge margin. If the other end of the link is spinning disk, it won't matter at all.

Have you ever looked at benchmarks? It's a pretty big difference.

Benchmarks using Seagate 7200RPM 2TB SATA-III HDD

USB 3.0

SATA-III

 

[smackababy]

Have you ever looked at benchmarks? It's a pretty big difference.

Benchmarks using Seagate 7200RPM 2TB SATA-III HDD

USB 3.0

SATA-III

The writes are slightly improved, however, that isn't saturating the SATA III anyway. It is close to saturating SATA I speed though. Perhaps it is a controller issue? Could it be the converter from SATA to USB causes some slowdown some how?

And doesn't the PS3 use a 2.5" HDD anyway?

 

[KentState]

Just opened my PS4 controller up. Initial impressions are that it feels slightly better than the PS3 dual shock, triggers are greatly improved, feels a little cheaper than the PS3 DS, much cheaper than the XB360 controller. I also notice areas that feel unfinished like the seam on the grips and the trigger buttons are cheap and open a huge gap. The textured grip also doesn't add much to the feel.

Overall, I still like the feel of the 360 controller the best and the PS4 is still too light.

PS3 DS 181 grams
PS4 212 grams
XB360 with batteries 272 grams

 

[raasco]

Didn't anyone read the blog? That's all fine and dandy, but according to the PS Blog it comes with a SATA II hard drive.

"What type of hard drive does PS4 use?
PS4 is equipped with a 5400 RPM SATA II hard drive. Users can choose to install a new hard drive so long as it complies with these standards, is no thicker than 9.5mm, and is larger than 160GB."

So we're looking at roughly 3 Gb/sec.

 

[Aikouka]

Some of the issues are with the USB software stack in Windows. You'll see a lot of motherboard manufacturers offer a fancy utility that enables faster USB 3 speeds. For example, here's ASUS's page on what their tool does: http://event.asus.com/mb/2010/the_best_usb3_experience/the_uasp_for_usb3.0.htm

 

[cmdrdredd]

Just opened my PS4 controller up. Initial impressions are that it feels slightly better than the PS3 dual shock, triggers are greatly improved, feels a little cheaper than the PS3 DS, much cheaper than the XB360 controller. I also notice areas that feel unfinished like the seam on the grips and the trigger buttons are cheap and open a huge gap. The textured grip also doesn't add much to the feel.

Overall, I still like the feel of the 360 controller the best and the PS4 is still too light.

PS3 DS 181 grams
PS4 212 grams
XB360 with batteries 272 grams

Nothing feels cheap on mine at all, there isn't one aspect that is not improved from the DS3 in my view.

I can get used to any controller with some gameplay time but so far I think the DS4 is my fave out of the three you listed. What will be most telling to me is after months of usage how they hold up. Do they start to squeek or creek? Do the buttons stick any? Are the sticks losing their texture and feel too slick now? Are the springs wearing out? This is something important as well that I pay attention to. I'm a little OCD about buttons sticking or creaking etc.

 

[Aikouka]

Didn't anyone read the blog? That's all fine and dandy, but according to the PS Blog it comes with a SATA II hard drive.

"What type of hard drive does PS4 use?
PS4 is equipped with a 5400 RPM SATA II hard drive. Users can choose to install a new hard drive so long as it complies with these standards, is no thicker than 9.5mm, and is larger than 160GB."

So we're looking at roughly 3 Gb/sec.

A 5400 RPM drive is not going to be able to saturate the SATA II bus anyway. 3 Gbps is about 370MB/s without any overhead. Excluding the enterprise-level drives (or Raptors), most hard drives won't go over 150MB/s.

 

[smackababy]

A 5400 RPM drive is not going to be able to saturate the SATA II bus anyway. 3 Gbps is about 370MB/s without any overhead. Excluding the enterprise-level drives (or Raptors), most hard drives won't go over 150MB/s.

The pictures posted of that 7200RPM drive hit a max of 140mb/s, that is SATA I speed. I doubt USB vs SATA II in a 5400RPM multiplatter drive is going to have any real speed improvements.

 

[Aikouka]

The pictures posted of that 7200RPM drive hit a max of 140mb/s, that is SATA I speed. I doubt USB vs SATA II in a 5400RPM multiplatter drive is going to have any real speed improvements.

Yeah. Although, SATA II might be a limitation if you go crazy and upgrade to a SSD. Since games are using such huge installs, it would be interesting to see if a SSD can actually reduce load times. I do have a 15% off coupon for Samsung SSDs right now. :hmm:

 

[smackababy]

Yeah. Although, SATA II might be a limitation if you go crazy and upgrade to a SSD. Since games are using such huge installs, it would be interesting to see if a SSD can actually reduce load times. I do have a 15% off coupon for Samsung SSDs right now. :hmm:

The new SSD's can easily saturate the SATA II (I think some of them can fill SATA III), so you'd notice an improvement I'm sure. But, a consideration is exactly how much is installed and how much is streamed from the disc. Anything requiring data from the disc is going to be painfully slow compared to an SSD. Load times might not actually improve much at all. I would imagine some things would be a lot smoother (OS, installing, any game just on the HDD).


I am really hoping the OS is a lot more responsive than the PS3's. I forgot how long it takes to load aspects of it.

 

[artemicion]

Sounds like partial FUD. As in, they didn't finalize it before running the manufacturing of the first series, hence a big day 1 patch to get the systems all on the same page. With the complexity in software for XB1/PS4, we should see some major patching for the first few weeks and months, from day 1.

Anyway, one could correctly say that it didn't have X or Y feature, but if that stuff is simply not finalized and coming in the day 1 or week 1 patch, then it's sort of just making a troll article for page hits.

On the other hand, the info re: no DLNA support came from the official PS4 pre-release FAQ and was in response to a specific question asking whether the PS4 would have DLNA support. Sony outright said no DLNA support and did not say it was a possible feature to be deployed via update somewhere down the pipeline, leading folks to believe that Sony is making a deliberate businss decision to cut DLNA support. Could be to get users to use their paid streaming services.

I'm leaning toward the PS4, so I'm hoping people make enough noise about the lack of DLNA support to change Sony's mind. If MS comes out with a press release supporting DLNA on the Xbox One, they could (finally) earn a win in the pre-release PR battle.

If you're like me and are disappointed about the lack of DLNA on PS4, leave a comment on the official Sony blog and cross your fingers that Sony notices and changes their mind.

http://blog.us.playstation.com/2013/10/30/ps4-the-ultimate-faq-north-america/

 

[smackababy]

On the other hand, the info re: no DLNA support came from the official PS4 pre-release FAQ and was in response to a specific question asking whether the PS4 would have DLNA support. Sony outright said no DLNA support and did not say it was a possible feature to be deployed via update somewhere down the pipeline, leading folks to believe that Sony is making a deliberate businss decision to cut DLNA support. Could be to get users to use their paid streaming services.

I'm leaning toward the PS4, so I'm hoping people make enough noise about the lack of DLNA support to change Sony's mind. If MS comes out with a press release supporting DLNA on the Xbox One, they could (finally) earn a win in the pre-release PR battle.

If you're like me and are disappointed about the lack of DLNA on PS4, leave a comment on the official Sony blog and cross your fingers that Sony notices and changes their mind.

http://blog.us.playstation.com/2013/10/30/ps4-the-ultimate-faq-north-america/

I had to look up what DLNA was, but it looks like it was founded by Sony. I doubt MS is going to jump on board with it. Especially considering it is trying to be a standard, and we all know how MS feels about standards!

 

[Aikouka]

I don't know if it was ever mentioned in here, but the PlayStation 4 companion app (for iOS and Android) will be coming out on November 13.

This article details some of the features:

• Directly access various PSN features and information

Users can access their own profile screen.
Users can access/compare their own and friends’ Trophy accomplishments.
Exchange messages between PS4 systems, PlayStation 3 systems, PlayStation Vita systems, and mobile devices installed with PlayStation App.
Access and filter friend profiles.
Notify users about their friends’ shared activities on “What’s New”.
Notify PS4 users when they receive any new notifications or game invitations. Users can also display their lists of game items.

• Browse the official PlayStation website and access information

Users can access the PlayStation official website to browse through news, blogs and game information. The language and content of the website will depend on the country the user’s Sony Entertainment Network account is registered.

• PS4 Second Screen Feature

Users can install PlayStation App on to their mobile devices to use as a second screen in supported games. For example on THE PLAYROOM, a title pre-installed in all PS4 systems that requires PlayStation Camera, users can draw pictures on their mobile device screens and flick them towards the TV. The images then appear as a 3D object within the game.

• Spectate other PS4 users’ gameplay

When users’ friends upload or begin live streaming their gameplay on PS4 systems, the friends’ activities are displayed on “What’s New” of the PlayStation App screen. When users tap on this notification, they can boot pre-installed applications, such as browsers, to spectate the uploaded gameplay. Users can also post comments on gameplay screenshots, footage and live streams.

• Purchase game content on PlayStation Store

Users can purchase game content while away from home and download it directly onto their PS4, PS3, and PS Vita systems.

• Use a mobile device as a simple remote to control the PS4 system

Once installed, users can use their PlayStation App to control their PS4 system as long as both devices have access to the same Wi-Fi access point. For example, users can switch their PS4 system to standby mode, startup their PS4 system from standby mode, and use their mobile phone as a keyboard for their PS4 system.​

I am really hoping the OS is a lot more responsive than the PS3's. I forgot how long it takes to load aspects of it.

The worst part about the PS3's XMB has to be the PlayStation Store app. It is so slow. Fortunately, the PS4's OS looks to be more cohesive and built as one functional unit.

 

[mmntech]

Sounds like partial FUD.

Straight from the horse's mouth.

Will PS4 support media servers or DLNA support in order to stream videos or movies from a home PC? The PS4 system does not support client functionality for media servers.

http://blog.us.playstation.com/2013/10/30/ps4-the-ultimate-faq-north-america/

Not to say they couldn't patch it in at a later date. I don't use it much now as I have a dedicated XBMC box, but sucks they're not supporting it just the same.

 

[sze5003]

Straight from the horse's mouth.

http://blog.us.playstation.com/2013/10/30/ps4-the-ultimate-faq-north-america/

Not to say they couldn't patch it in at a later date. I don't use it much now as I have a dedicated XBMC bucks, but sucks they're not supporting it just the same.

Big let down for me. I have lots of music on my pc, movies too that I use ps3 media server to currently stream from my computer. Guess I will have to go back to flash drives now.

 

[Childs]

The lack of DNLA will most likely cancel my preorder. I really just wanted the PS4 to replace my PS3, which does DNLA, Youtube, Amazon, Netflix, etc. Might as well just keep the PS3, or buy a slim version to deal with the noise. Any future PS4 games I was thinking about playing like Naughty Dog games I guess I can just watch on Youtube. I will wait a week or two to see if they change their stance on this.