I haven't seen liberal sites bashing him at all? If there are some out there, there are plenty of others that are very supportive.
I haven't seen liberal sites bashing him at all? If there are some out there, there are plenty of others that are very supportive.
I should have been more clear, I meant the backbiting and gnashing of teeth in the comments section of said web sites, like Salon.com for instance.
The Clinton supporters are really down in the dumps today.
See I dont get comments like this.
Ron Paul is fiscally conservative.
Obama is not fiscally conservative. He is far from it.
TheSlamma
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I agree with him 100%.
I don't care right now about how fiscal he is, I care about ending a useless war that is bleeding this state. And IMO Paul and Obama are the only 2 that can get us out.
I would rather waste money painting the back side of the moon then on that useless war. The religion in those countries will not allow those people into the 21st century and will not allow "victory". Like suburban christian america thinks.
CADsortaGUY
Lifer
Pssttt - it's not about Conservatism - It's about being part of something "cool" and "different". Most that I've encountered are liberal leaning fence sitters who usually follow whatever current trend there is. But that's just my observation.
Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Pssttt - it's not about Conservatism - It's about being part of something "cool" and "different". Most that I've encountered are liberal leaning fence sitters who usually follow whatever current trend there is. But that's just my observation.
it sorta reminds me of howard dean.
I mean, I'm not focusing this at anyone in particular on these forums, but back in '04, I knew a crapton of Deaniacs who saw that he was liberal on one issue and then just ignored the rest of his conservative background. the media played it the same way.
Wow, those two things aren't related in the slightest, good job on picking something like that. Funny you think that states would stop the war on drugs, why do you think that?
Guess that equal rights thing was just a mistake in the constitution, I'm sure Paul would do his best to get that part removed. Sorry black people, but I like having money more then I like allowing you the chance to vote.
CADsortaGUY
Lifer
Originally posted by: loki8481
Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Pssttt - it's not about Conservatism - It's about being part of something "cool" and "different". Most that I've encountered are liberal leaning fence sitters who usually follow whatever current trend there is. But that's just my observation.
it sorta reminds me of howard dean.
I mean, I'm not focusing this at anyone in particular on these forums, but back in '04, I knew a crapton of Deaniacs who saw that he was liberal on one issue and then just ignored the rest of his conservative background. the media played it the same way.
Yeah, I'd agree to a point. However, deaniacs weren't going to go vote for Bush if dean didn't get the nod.
But you're right about it being the "cool" thing which got the flounderers to follow.
CADsortaGUY
Lifer
Originally posted by: Perry404
Originally posted by: PC Surgeon
Its not over yet, sorry
Oh that's right we have 49 states and a few territories to go.
YAAAAARRRRGGGGHHHH!!!!!!!
/deanscream
bamacre
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Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Pssttt - it's not about Conservatism - It's about being part of something "cool" and "different". Most that I've encountered are liberal leaning fence sitters who usually follow whatever current trend there is. But that's just my observation.
I disagree for the most part. There is some logic there, but you are ignoring a LOT of reasons why people are supporting Paul.
The war in Iraq being one. The Republicans with the insane decision to invade, and the Democrats giving full support. Same with the Patriot Act, and the taking away of American rights. Same with the massive increase in the size of the Federal Government.
Then there is the War on Drugs, which has been nothing short of a complete failure. And no one is talking about this problem. Not a single candidate.
And the same for monetary policy. The dollar is dropping. We are increasing the size of our debt. Again, no one else is talking about this problem.
These problems all started before Paul's supporters even knew who he was. They didn't jump on the bandwagon, they created it.
If it were the "cool thing to do," Paul would be leading the polls. Instead, it seems like the "cool thing to do," has become supporting Obama and/or Huckabee.
And Americans who say they want change, will vote against it, and instead for the status quo. They'll support candidates who have NO plans for, nor even acknowledge, most of the major problems we, as a country, have.
Why? Because the CNN and FoxNews-watching Americans think the biggest problems in this country are illegal immigration, health care, abortion, evolution, drugs, and Britney Spears. And because of this, in truth, the biggest problem facing this country is in fact the American voter.
CADsortaGUY
Lifer
Originally posted by: bamacre
Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Pssttt - it's not about Conservatism - It's about being part of something "cool" and "different". Most that I've encountered are liberal leaning fence sitters who usually follow whatever current trend there is. But that's just my observation.
I disagree for the most part. There is some logic there, but you are ignoring a LOT of reasons why people are supporting Paul.
The war in Iraq being one. The Republicans with the insane decision to invade, and the Democrats giving full support. Same with the Patriot Act, and the taking away of American rights. Same with the massive increase in the size of the Federal Government.
Then there is the War on Drugs, which has been nothing short of a complete failure. And no one is talking about this problem. Not a single candidate.
And the same for monetary policy. The dollar is dropping. We are increasing the size of our debt. Again, no one else is talking about this problem.
These problems all started before Paul's supporters even knew who he was. They didn't jump on the bandwagon, they created it.
If it were the "cool thing to do," Paul would be leading the polls. Instead, it seems like the "cool thing to do," has become supporting Obama and/or Huckabee.
And Americans who say they want change, will vote against it, and instead for the status quo. They'll support candidates who have NO plans for, nor even acknowledge, most of the major problems we, as a country, have.
Why? Because the CNN and FoxNews-watching Americans think the biggest problems in this country are illegal immigration, health care, abortion, evolution, drugs, and Britney Spears. And because of this, in truth, the biggest problem facing this country is in fact the American voter.
My comments were related to the obama-RP2 situation, not only about RP2. There are plenty of reasons to like him but then again there are plenty to not like him about too.
I think Obama will continue to do well - I think people very much want change in the next president. That's something neither Guiliani or Clinton offers.
JEDIYoda
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Originally posted by: bamacre
Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Pssttt - it's not about Conservatism - It's about being part of something "cool" and "different". Most that I've encountered are liberal leaning fence sitters who usually follow whatever current trend there is. But that's just my observation.
I disagree for the most part. There is some logic there, but you are ignoring a LOT of reasons why people are supporting Paul.
The war in Iraq being one. The Republicans with the insane decision to invade, and the Democrats giving full support. Same with the Patriot Act, and the taking away of American rights. Same with the massive increase in the size of the Federal Government.
Then there is the War on Drugs, which has been nothing short of a complete failure. And no one is talking about this problem. Not a single candidate.
And the same for monetary policy. The dollar is dropping. We are increasing the size of our debt. Again, no one else is talking about this problem.
These problems all started before Paul's supporters even knew who he was. They didn't jump on the bandwagon, they created it.
If it were the "cool thing to do," Paul would be leading the polls. Instead, it seems like the "cool thing to do," has become supporting Obama and/or Huckabee.
And Americans who say they want change, will vote against it, and instead for the status quo. They'll support candidates who have NO plans for, nor even acknowledge, most of the major problems we, as a country, have.
Why? Because the CNN and FoxNews-watching Americans think the biggest problems in this country are illegal immigration, health care, abortion, evolution, drugs, and Britney Spears. And because of this, in truth, the biggest problem facing this country is in fact the American voter.
Blame it on the media.....you sure your self employed?
Bush probably changed the US more than any other recent president
change doesn't matter if it's for the worse.
bamacre
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My God, do you anti-Paulbots really think you're so smart because you can go to a poll on a website, look at some numbers, and come to the conclusion that Paul can't win?
No, it only means you are smart enough to use a damn mouse and keyboard and understand 3rd-grade math.
I will support Paul until election day, but I'll tell you right now he can't win.
He can't win because he stands up there and tells the truth. He stands up there and tells us the war on drugs isn't working. He stands up there and says that the fanatical Muslims attack us because we've been over there fucking with their shit. He stands up there and tells us we are going broke. He stands up there and says the value of our dollar is dropping like shit through a goose. He stands up there and says the Patriot Act is an attack on our freedoms and liberties.
He stands up there and tells us we have gone from a government which feared its people to people who now fear their government.
He stands up there and tells the truth when it is not popular to do so. He stands up there and tells the truth knowing that people will call him a nutjob. Simply put, he can't win because he has integrity.
He can't win because the majority of Americans are a bunch of CNN and FoxNews-watching morons, some of whom are more interested in Britney Spear's kids than their own. He can't win because the majority of Americans have unhealthy lifestyles and want the government to pay for their overly-needed healthcare. He can't win because the majority of Americans think that they shouldn't have to be a part of their own kids education. He can't win because Americans not only don't understand history, they don't even understand the problems we face today.
He can't win because America is slowly turning into a people who don't want to be responsible for themselves. They no longer can live in a free society because they spend more time in front of the TV than actually learning about the people they vote for. Nor do they take the time and energy to hold them accountable for their actions. No, they'd rather sit at home and watch American Idol or Deal or No Deal.
He can't win because the people on TV, who always tell the truth, told them he can't.
So they'll all run out and vote for the best used-car salesman who makes them feel all safe and cozy, with a little help from the oh-so-honest people on the boob-tube.
And you people who don't want to look as stupid as Paul does on the podium, and us on the message boards, will all join them, gleefully. And one of your used-car salesman will win, and once again, you'll all cheer for 4 more years of the status quo, then years later, bitch and cry about the problems that have gone unsolved. Only to wait four more years and buy a different used car from the same slickster wearing a different suit.
No, it only means you are smart enough to use a damn mouse and keyboard and understand 3rd-grade math.
I will support Paul until election day, but I'll tell you right now he can't win.
He can't win because he stands up there and tells the truth. He stands up there and tells us the war on drugs isn't working. He stands up there and says that the fanatical Muslims attack us because we've been over there fucking with their shit. He stands up there and tells us we are going broke. He stands up there and says the value of our dollar is dropping like shit through a goose. He stands up there and says the Patriot Act is an attack on our freedoms and liberties.
He stands up there and tells us we have gone from a government which feared its people to people who now fear their government.
He stands up there and tells the truth when it is not popular to do so. He stands up there and tells the truth knowing that people will call him a nutjob. Simply put, he can't win because he has integrity.
He can't win because the majority of Americans are a bunch of CNN and FoxNews-watching morons, some of whom are more interested in Britney Spear's kids than their own. He can't win because the majority of Americans have unhealthy lifestyles and want the government to pay for their overly-needed healthcare. He can't win because the majority of Americans think that they shouldn't have to be a part of their own kids education. He can't win because Americans not only don't understand history, they don't even understand the problems we face today.
He can't win because America is slowly turning into a people who don't want to be responsible for themselves. They no longer can live in a free society because they spend more time in front of the TV than actually learning about the people they vote for. Nor do they take the time and energy to hold them accountable for their actions. No, they'd rather sit at home and watch American Idol or Deal or No Deal.
He can't win because the people on TV, who always tell the truth, told them he can't.
So they'll all run out and vote for the best used-car salesman who makes them feel all safe and cozy, with a little help from the oh-so-honest people on the boob-tube.
And you people who don't want to look as stupid as Paul does on the podium, and us on the message boards, will all join them, gleefully. And one of your used-car salesman will win, and once again, you'll all cheer for 4 more years of the status quo, then years later, bitch and cry about the problems that have gone unsolved. Only to wait four more years and buy a different used car from the same slickster wearing a different suit.
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