~~~The Official Iowa Caucus discussion Thread~~~

[nageov3t]

Originally posted by: Deeko
Yea I'm surprised Guiliani did THAT poorly.

that's what he gets for not hiring babysitters for people

 

[Jinru]

anyone watching the CSPAN coverage of Iowa? They just started taking calls and 4 out of 4 calls now have been for Ron Paul, lol.

 

[NaughtyGeek]

Originally posted by: Wreckem

Originally posted by: NaughtyGeek

Originally posted by: Mill

Originally posted by: Perry404
Thompson, McCain, Giuliani & Paul are all within 3% of each other at 40% reported. This is still way too close to call for these four.
Looks like Huck & Mitt have it wrapped up.

You do understand that finishing second to last makes it easy to stick a fork in Rudy's campaign, right?

Corrected for ya.

You must not be watching the campaign to closely.

Guliani is far from done, his camp came up with the strategy to not do anything in the primaries before Florida. He has spent all his money on Florida and Super Tuesday states.

Guliani is playing the odds, but it could work with the shortened and bunched up primary season.

And you cannot say Guliani is done, he has the lead in the national poll and has the lead in Florida. Paul has niether.

Actually, I have been watching and I'm aware that Rudy is running a different strategy. I was merely pointing out that the OPs premise was flawed that finishing second to last was a fork in Paul. Rudy will be second to last unless something changes dramatically. Dr. Paul has spent much more time focusing on NH than Iowa so I would look to see greater numbers there but only time will tell.

 

[Wreckem]

Originally posted by: Sinsear

Originally posted by: Perry404
There was some sort of a glitch. Giuliani just dropped to 2,708 4%. Looks like there was a major error in Linn county reporting him at 50% which was totally wrong. Let's hope there are no more mistakes.

Much more reasonable numbers there; no way Rudy could pull that many with so little time spent in Iowa. I woldn't mind seeing his campaign come to an end...

It ain't, he leads the polls in Florida. Florida's delegetes = more than Iowa, NH, Wyoming, Michigan, Nevada, and SC combined...

Winner of Florida will be the fronter runner going into Super Tuesday. Rudy has spent all his money on Florida and Super Tuesday states.

 

[Sinsear]

Originally posted by: Jinru
anyone watching the CSPAN coverage of Iowa? They just started taking calls and 4 out of 4 calls now have been for Ron Paul, lol.

:laugh:

 

[Wreckem]

Originally posted by: Deeko
Yea I'm surprised Guiliani did THAT poorly.

You must not have followed the race that closely.

No one that has followed the campaign closely is suprised by that. He has not staff in campagin, his strategy is opposite of everyone elses. It also hasnt been tried before. Its extremely risky, but as long as he maintains his lead in Florida, it could work. Key word could.

 

[BradT]

Originally posted by: Sinsear

Originally posted by: Jinru
anyone watching the CSPAN coverage of Iowa? They just started taking calls and 4 out of 4 calls now have been for Ron Paul, lol.

:laugh:

Which cspan? On the cspan I am watching, it is a debate over affirmative action.

 

[nageov3t]

Originally posted by: Wreckem

Originally posted by: Deeko
Yea I'm surprised Guiliani did THAT poorly.

You must not have followed the race that closely.

No one that has followed the campaign closely is suprised by that. He has not staff in campagin, his strategy is opposite of everyone elses. It also hasnt been tried before. Its extremely risky, but as long as he maintains his lead in Florida, it could work. Key word could.

I hate Rudy, but I'm hoping the plan works, if only so that politicians can finally skip Iowa and relegate it to the place it deserves

 

[bamacre]

Originally posted by: BradT

Originally posted by: Sinsear

Originally posted by: Jinru
anyone watching the CSPAN coverage of Iowa? They just started taking calls and 4 out of 4 calls now have been for Ron Paul, lol.

:laugh:

Which cspan? On the cspan I am watching, it is a debate over affirmative action.

Yeah. Was that a little boy or a woman talking?

 

[Legend]

Originally posted by: GenHoth

Originally posted by: Legend
This state has only nominated 2 people that have actually become president. I'm not saying that because I'm disappointed with Paul's results. I expected him to get a distant third, but I didn't think McCain and especially Thompson would be doing so well.

I mean Guiliani is getting 3%. I hate Guiliani, but even I can recognize that's out of sync with the nation.

Are you serious? If you only count people with BUSH as a last name we have 2. Honestly people. Take a look at the past winners of the Iowa caucus. We DO line up pretty well with the nation (The huge exception is Tom Harkin vs Clinton but Harkin is an Iowan senator)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iowa_caucus#Past_winners

So there's only two Republicans on that list that won the general election. There's not really any voting going on when the election is unopposed.

* 2004- George W. Bush (unopposed)
* 2000- George W. Bush (41%), Steve Forbes (30%), Alan Keyes (14%), Gary Bauer (9%), John McCain (5%) and Orrin Hatch (1%)
* 1996- Bob Dole (26%), Pat Buchanan (23%), Lamar Alexander (18%), Steve Forbes (10%), Phil Gramm (9%), Alan Keyes (7%), Richard Lugar (4%) and Morry Taylor (1%)
* 1992- George H. W. Bush (unopposed)
* 1988- Bob Dole (37%), Pat Robertson (25%), George H. W. Bush (19%), Jack Kemp (11%) and Pete DuPont (7%)
* 1984- Ronald Reagan (unopposed)
* 1980- George H. W. Bush (32%), Ronald Reagan (30%), Howard Baker (15%), John Connally (9%), Phil Crane (7%), John B. Anderson (4%) and Bob Dole (2%)
* 1976- Gerald Ford, Ronald Reagan

 

[Mill]

Originally posted by: GenHoth

Originally posted by: Legend
This state has only nominated 2 people that have actually become president. I'm not saying that because I'm disappointed with Paul's results. I expected him to get a distant third, but I didn't think McCain and especially Thompson would be doing so well.

I mean Guiliani is getting 3%. I hate Guiliani, but even I can recognize that's out of sync with the nation.

Are you serious? If you only count people with BUSH as a last name we have 2. Honestly people. Take a look at the past winners of the Iowa caucus. We DO line up pretty well with the nation (The huge exception is Tom Harkin vs Clinton but Harkin is an Iowan senator)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iowa_caucus#Past_winners

Funny to read those results. Even total losers like Steve Forbes, Keyes, etc got a higher percentage of votes compared to Dr. Nutjob Paul.

 

[Wreckem]

Originally posted by: NaughtyGeek

Originally posted by: Wreckem

Originally posted by: NaughtyGeek

Originally posted by: Mill

Originally posted by: Perry404
Thompson, McCain, Giuliani & Paul are all within 3% of each other at 40% reported. This is still way too close to call for these four.
Looks like Huck & Mitt have it wrapped up.

You do understand that finishing second to last makes it easy to stick a fork in Rudy's campaign, right?

Corrected for ya.

You must not be watching the campaign to closely.

Guliani is far from done, his camp came up with the strategy to not do anything in the primaries before Florida. He has spent all his money on Florida and Super Tuesday states.

Guliani is playing the odds, but it could work with the shortened and bunched up primary season.

And you cannot say Guliani is done, he has the lead in the national poll and has the lead in Florida. Paul has niether.

Actually, I have been watching and I'm aware that Rudy is running a different strategy. I was merely pointing out that the OPs premise was flawed that finishing second to last was a fork in Paul. Rudy will be second to last unless something changes dramatically. Dr. Paul has spent much more time focusing on NH than Iowa so I would look to see greater numbers there but only time will tell.

You cannot compare Rudy to Ron.

So you are still quite off base.

Rudy, is leading the national poll. Hes also leading the Florida Poll.

Paul, is 5th in the national poll, and 5th or 6th in Florida. Paul campaigned in Iowa, and is looking like hes coming in 4th or 5th. Guliani didnt campaign in Iowa and likewise finished second to last. Theres a HUGE difference between where each candidate stands.

Guliani doesnt need to worry about having alot of cash on hand. He's spent all of his money on Florida and Super Tuesday. He'll have spent more cash on on Florida and Super Tuesday states than any other candidate.

 

[GenHoth]

Originally posted by: Legend

So there's only two Republicans on that list that won the general election. There's not really any voting going on when the election is unopposed.

--snip--

True, but you'll note that most of the ones we didn't end up electing are pretty darn close anyways.

 

[HeXploiT]

Iowa pics corn, New Hampshire pics presidents. Everyone go get drunk now and we'll see you on the 6th.

 

[nageov3t]

funny to see that Clinton got 3% in Iowa in 92... that's about what Rudy's going to end up with

 

[Mill]

Obama beats Clinton and Edwards by over 7%. Wow.

 

[KarmaPolice]

I was hoping that Paul would do better, just to stir things up. I understand he really didn't push the state much but I think thats a poor strategy. Getting in the top 3 or 4 would have been really big to making him a valid candidate. Not sure how much NH voters will consider how he did there or not...he needs to do well there.

 

[BradT]

This caucas is great, but I can't wait until I vote on the 8th. (Proud independent NH voter)

 

[Confusednewbie1552]

lol does dodd only have 1 vote or am i reading it off cnn incorrectly

GO PAUL!!!!!!

 

[Wreckem]

Originally posted by: Perry404
Iowa pics corn, New Hampshire pics presidents. Everyone go get drunk now and we'll see you on the 6th.

NH has picked Nixon, Carter, and Bush Sr. Wow thats a good track record...

Oh and Iowa picked Carter first, which is what parlayed into the NH win

 

[StageLeft]

F**k giuliani, he is satan incarnate, glad to see him get trounced. People don't like losers. I think his future support will continue to sag like swillary's old boobs.

 

[1EZduzit]

Originally posted by: Perry404
Iowa pics corn, New Hampshire pics presidents. Everyone go get drunk now and we'll see you on the 6th.

So what's the witting saying going to be if Dr. Paul bombs out in NH as well?

 

[nageov3t]

Originally posted by: Confusednewbie1552
lol does dodd only have 1 vote or am i reading it off cnn incorrectly

GO PAUL!!!!!!

caucuses are weird.

at least the D caucus is.

if a candidate doesn't get enough votes, people who vote for him have to vote with someone else... by the end of the night, we'll probably just see Obama/Edwards/Hillary with the other D's at or around 0.

 

[GenHoth]

BTW, people who think our caucus is time consuming? I voted in 15 minutes. Just throwing that out there (I was reminded by the Iowa wikipedia page!)

 

[GenHoth]

Originally posted by: loki8481

Originally posted by: Confusednewbie1552
lol does dodd only have 1 vote or am i reading it off cnn incorrectly

GO PAUL!!!!!!

caucuses are weird.

at least the D caucus is.

if a candidate doesn't get enough votes, people who vote for him have to vote with someone else... by the end of the night, we'll probably just see Obama/Edwards/Hillary with the other D's at or around 0.

Pretty true, but he managed to get a delegate somehow. Hey, more power to him!