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Lifer
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Wow, good luck with that. I'd love to see where you got that definition from.

What are you talking about?

Are you saying a revolution _is_ violent by definition? That's clearly falsified by the vast number of examples of the word being used to describe rapid but non-violent change (how many adverts have I heard saying their product offers 'a revolution in....[some mundane activity or other]'?)
 

ultimatebob

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The company that I work for does IT for private health insurance companies. That's not uncommon here, as private health insurance is one of the few big businesses that still thrive in Connecticut. If Bernie wins the nomination, many of my clients will likely vote for Trump simply because they'll be afraid to lose their jobs otherwise. Trump might actually come close to winning some delegates in what is an otherwise solid blue state.
 
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sportage

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Bernie Sanders is healthcare reform.
Not what Obama did, and not what Trump promises.
I’ve experienced universal healthcare or government ran healthcare.
And damn it was indeed very nice and effective.
Imagine going to a doctor or needing an X-ray or some funny bump on your nose that needs a dermatologist care, then walking away owing nothing and expecting nothing in form of a bill.
It’s sad, but Americans really have no idea. No idea.
They, we are so easily convinced and so easily fearful of change or believing a better life is possible, that we stick with the same old failed system.
We fear the worst may happen while not realizing the worst is already happening.
I’ve seen the other side. I’ve experienced a better way. A way where great care minus the profits and greed is possible. Just imagine your healthcare so finely tuned and so readily available, and without the greed. You’re healthcare becomes as a granted and a subject never again to be concerned with. Or to worry about.
Like driving a car... you just press on the gas and it goes.
You don’t need to worry about what that car might do when you press on the gas.
It just does its thing. Simple!
America healthcare could easily be the same. You need it and it just goes.
But no, people will be fooled and fearful and remain with failure and greed and believing that this is the best we can do.
So sad... So very sad...
 
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Wow, good luck with that. I'd love to see where you got that definition from.

Will the Cambridge dictionary suffice?

revolution noun (CHANGE)

B2 [ C ]
a very important change in the way that people do things:
a technological revolution
Penicillin produced a revolution in medicine.

More examples

 
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Bitek

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...

For example - I don't see him doing well in the midwest because him wanting to ban fracking. Are people in those states going to want part of their state economy eliminated?. I'm just not seeing a path to him winning. And, I don't see Bernie as the charismatic leader that builds coalitions to sell democratic socialism to the masses. We are too divided with socioeconomic and cultural baggage. The country is split down these lines. This country isn't Japan or Sweden. Bernie has never played well with others or learned to compromise. That's why he has such a small record of accomplishment for his many decades in the House.

At this time, (that could change) I just don't think Bernie can beat Trump. I'm seeing that a majority of Americans are not going to vote to tear everything down and start over in a relatively good economy. There's a reason that Trump hasn't attacked Bernie yet. He's intentionally building up Bernie's campaign because Trump wants to run against Bernie. He'll paint Bernie as an extreme socialist that will tank your retirement funds and 401ks , and in his mind, he'll coast to victory. In Trump's world, truth is irrelevant. Image is everything. And Trump has the money to make that image stick. I see his followers are doing the same thing here and elsewhere. We are in the era of politics as reality show, and this is the big extravaganza. It’s not politics as usual, it’s media driven machine warfare. I just don’t think the other Democratic candidates have the resources (except Bloomberg). I don’t think small donor financing will work once we get to the general. Nothing will rally Trump voters more than the thought of a "socialist/communist" possibly replacing their cult leader and they will come out in droves. And many independents and swing voters will buy in to that narrative.

You make a good point here, and I would just add it's not just the Midwest.

PA (which Trump won and Ds HAVE TO WIN to get WH back) also has a strong shale fracking industry. It also has several nuclear power plants, which Bernie vowed to shutdown.

CO also has a strong gas drilling industry too fwiw.

So, Bernie's path to victory depends on the voters voting to end their jobs. It's freaking crazy imo.

We should also appreciate the strength of the pharma industry in PA(!), NJ and NC.
Another industry Bernie wants to go after hard.

Then there is the insurance industry in CT. They'll gleefully vote themselves out of work?
 

Bitek

Lifer
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The company that I work for does IT for private health insurance companies. That's not uncommon here, as private health insurance is one of the few big businesses that still thrive in Connecticut. If Bernie wins the nomination, many of my clients will likely vote for Trump simply because they'll be afraid to lose their jobs otherwise. Trump might actually come close to winning some delegates in what is an otherwise solid blue state.

I just made this point separately funnily enough.
It's like everyone forgot 2009 and the fight over the public option to the ACA.

Bernie's has a long enemies list of industries and jobs he wants to attack.
Inconveniently, they have located themselves in states he needs to win in order to win the election.
 

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IMO all bets are off with the Democrats being willing to stand behind Bernie at all costs!
Also I believe if Bernie wins the nominations the Dems could lose the House and for certain the Senate is already lost with Bernie!
I see nothing but gloom and despair and agony if Bernie wins the nomination!
In fact if I may -- I believe a lot of people who would vote Democrat just won`t show up to vote at all!
If Crazy Bernie wins the nomination. Loonie toon toon will win a second term in the White House. He will not play nice and support the ticket. They had pull whatever strands of hair left on top his head to support Hillary Clinton. He got a little Tasmanian devilish after he did it.
 

hal2kilo

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IMO all bets are off with the Democrats being willing to stand behind Bernie at all costs!
Also I believe if Bernie wins the nominations the Dems could lose the House and for certain the Senate is already lost with Bernie!
I see nothing but gloom and despair and agony if Bernie wins the nomination!
In fact if I may -- I believe a lot of people who would vote Democrat just won`t show up to vote at all!
Yep, this is the real politics of the thing. Does he have any coattails for those areas of the country where Democratic candidates are running for the HOR or Senate seats. Folks, if things are to really' change, this has to happen. I don't see Bernie bringing those candidates along.
 

hal2kilo

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Yep, this is the real politics of the thing. Does he have any coattails for those areas of the country where Democratic candidates are running for the HOR or Senate seats. Folks, if things are to really' change, this has to happen. I don't see Bernie bringing those candidates along.
Just saying...…...
 

mect

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The company that I work for does IT for private health insurance companies. That's not uncommon here, as private health insurance is one of the few big businesses that still thrive in Connecticut. If Bernie wins the nomination, many of my clients will likely vote for Trump simply because they'll be afraid to lose their jobs otherwise. Trump might actually come close to winning some delegates in what is an otherwise solid blue state.
There are also a lot of people that have no healthcare in states all across the country that might vote Trump (or just not vote) if Sanders isn't the nominee.

There are also a lot of people making starvation wages across the country that might vote Trump (or just not vote) if Sanders isn't the nominee.

Why is the middle allowed to threaten to vote for Trump if they don't get their nominee and people are okay with it but progressives aren't allowed to do the same?
 
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JEDIYoda

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There are also a lot of people that have no healthcare in states all across the country that might vote Trump (or just not vote) if Sanders isn't the nominee. -- as if they will have better healthcare under Trump!! No way Jose!!

There are also a lot of people making starvation wages across the country that might vote Trump (or just not vote) if Sanders isn't the nominee.--- that won`t change under trump! Trump care nothing for the little person unless it translates into votes! And then he will still screw them after he gets their vote -- just look at what Trump did to the farmers!

Why is the middle allowed to threaten to vote for Trump if they don't get their nominee and people are okay with it but progressives aren't allowed to do the same? -- that is not happenning yet!!
 
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lol, well I may make an exception for meat if Trump wins. Ruth's Chris trip may be happening. I do make an exception for turkey on Thanksgiving.

I approve of your honesty on this one subject. Frozen for years well done Trump steaks with ketchup sounds horrible.
 

SP33Demon

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of course you are....you will probably have a Trump re-election party....
Sure, you're invited. I'll buy you a few mixeds drink at the Trump International Hotel bar if you're down. It'll probably be just me and a buddy tho.
 

Maxima1

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You make a good point here, and I would just add it's not just the Midwest.

PA (which Trump won and Ds HAVE TO WIN to get WH back) also has a strong shale fracking industry. It also has several nuclear power plants, which Bernie vowed to shutdown.

CO also has a strong gas drilling industry too fwiw.

So, Bernie's path to victory depends on the voters voting to end their jobs. It's freaking crazy imo.

We should also appreciate the strength of the pharma industry in PA(!), NJ and NC.
Another industry Bernie wants to go after hard.

Then there is the insurance industry in CT. They'll gleefully vote themselves out of work?

If those voters are paranoid that Bernie could unilaterally change everything. I don't think this will be a decisive deal in the campaign, but I do think it's foolish to promote this now. I'm more concerned with the decriminalization of border crossings. He needs to keep low on issues about race and illegal immigrants.

Just saying...…...

All this talk about which lane does best in the swing states came about when we had a flurry of good Biden matchups. It doesn't translate to the others, and we're coming to find out Biden might have just had a bunch of soft support.