Is this kind of reply really necessary? His question was a fair question. Chill.Why are you reading Atom threads then?
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Is this kind of reply really necessary? His question was a fair question. Chill.Why are you reading Atom threads then?
Someone popping up in a thread and deciding to casually ask people why they even bother discussing the subject? Look what happened next, we're already offtopic and enjoying a presentation on the merits of emulation in a thread about x86 Atom cores.Is this kind of reply really necessary? His question was a fair question. Chill.
IMO gracemont will be "fast enough" at let's say 3,5GHz to handle all the ligher worloads in apps and windows/corporate bloatware, antivirus etc....
Right, the question is: how much larger is Gracemont? It's sad that Intel could probably get high yields out of 8c (or higher!) Tremont parts but still can't bring them to market for . . . reasons. Stranding a lot of their network/comm appliances and other products in the process.
For a sense of relative size, the ratio between big and little cores in Lakefield is roughly around 1:4.
A picture helps more with the scale of things:
Uhh, what do you think Snow Ridge is using?
Pretty sure Snow Ridge was still delayed. Along with Elkhart Lake. Did Intel ever get it out to market in quantity?
Yes, they are very much shipping.
ARK page doesn't say SuperFin.
Intel is also moving to 10nm SuperFin (formerly 10++) for its Atom nodes, making these the next 10nm-class Atom processors after Intel’s Snow Ridge for 5G networks.
At least for single thread, I'm guessing it's ~15% improved IPC. Goldmont to Goldmont Plus was 25-30% on average. Also, the J64XX has 15-20% higher frequency than the J4205. 1.7/(1.3*1.15)=1.14.Also 70% over Apollo Lake in ST and 50% in MT is not a lot. That suggests similar performance to Gemini Lake in ST and MT.
I thought Tigerlake is the first and only SuperFin product by now.
Interesting, all Elkhart Lake ARK pages list it as plain 10nm, see https://ark.intel.com/content/www/us/en/ark/products/codename/128825/elkhart-lake.htmlIan has confirmed with Intel that Elkhart Lake is indeed 10nm SF
Interesting, all Elkhart Lake ARK pages list it as plain 10nm, see https://ark.intel.com/content/www/us/en/ark/products/codename/128825/elkhart-lake.html
I guess the confusion stems from whether 10nm SuperFin equals 10nm+ or 10nm++, whether Ice Lake is 10nm or 10nm+, and whether Cannon Lake is 10nm, 10nm- or10nm.
ARK says Ice Lake is plain 10nm, so 10nm+ appears to equal 10SF, see https://ark.intel.com/content/www/d...1065g7-processor-8m-cache-up-to-3-90-ghz.html
ARK also lists Cannon Lake as plain 10nm as well though, see https://ark.intel.com/content/www/d...-8121u-processor-4m-cache-up-to-3-20-ghz.html *shrugs*