Someone popping up in a thread and deciding to casually ask people why they even bother discussing the subject? Look what happened next, we're already offtopic and enjoying a presentation on the merits of emulation in a thread about x86 Atom cores.Is this kind of reply really necessary? His question was a fair question. Chill.
Remember that Gracemont allegedly has IPC parity with Skylake. No idea on the amount of space Gracemont requires on the core, but if you look at how large Tremont is on Lakefield, Tremont is tiny.IMO gracemont will be "fast enough" at let's say 3,5GHz to handle all the ligher worloads in apps and windows/corporate bloatware, antivirus etc....
Uhh, what do you think Snow Ridge is using?Right, the question is: how much larger is Gracemont? It's sad that Intel could probably get high yields out of 8c (or higher!) Tremont parts but still can't bring them to market for . . . reasons. Stranding a lot of their network/comm appliances and other products in the process.
The FP/SSE units in Sunny Cove are almost as large as the entire Tremont core that includes the dual 128-bit SSE, but I believe the one in Gracemont will be far smaller due to different focus even if it moves to AVX2 and 256-bit.For a sense of relative size, the ratio between big and little cores in Lakefield is roughly around 1:4.
A picture helps more with the scale of things:
Where are you getting this from? It was launched back in February and they said they expect to have 40% MSS by 2021. How will they do that if they haven't even shipped yet?Pretty sure Snow Ridge was still delayed. Along with Elkhart Lake. Did Intel ever get it out to market in quantity?
Intel states that it has >=100 partners committed to releasing products with these processors.One of the more intriguing aspects is the Intel Programmable Services Engine (Intel PSE.) This is a management processor (ARM Cortex-M7 based) that runs Zephyr OS to provide IoT and out of band management functions. Intel also says this “lets you configure the Intel PSE to meet your application requirements and run real-time, ARM-based applications.” (Source: Intel) As a management interface, this can also allow one to remotely power cycle the device.
Is there a SuperFin source from Intel? If not I really doubt this is based on SuperFin. Also Snow Ridge on SuperFin??? I thought Tigerlake is the first and only SuperFin product by now.Intel is also moving to 10nm SuperFin (formerly 10++) for its Atom nodes, making these the next 10nm-class Atom processors after Intel’s Snow Ridge for 5G networks.
At least for single thread, I'm guessing it's ~15% improved IPC. Goldmont to Goldmont Plus was 25-30% on average. Also, the J64XX has 15-20% higher frequency than the J4205. 1.7/(1.3*1.15)=1.14.Also 70% over Apollo Lake in ST and 50% in MT is not a lot. That suggests similar performance to Gemini Lake in ST and MT.
Interesting, all Elkhart Lake ARK pages list it as plain 10nm, see https://ark.intel.com/content/www/us/en/ark/products/codename/128825/elkhart-lake.htmlIan has confirmed with Intel that Elkhart Lake is indeed 10nm SF
Interesting, all Elkhart Lake ARK pages list it as plain 10nm, see https://ark.intel.com/content/www/us/en/ark/products/codename/128825/elkhart-lake.html
I guess the confusion stems from whether 10nm SuperFin equals 10nm+ or 10nm++, whether Ice Lake is 10nm or 10nm+, and whether Cannon Lake is 10nm, 10nm- or
ARK says Ice Lake is plain 10nm, so 10nm+ appears to equal 10SF, see https://ark.intel.com/content/www/de/de/ark/products/196597/intel-core-i7-1065g7-processor-8m-cache-up-to-3-90-ghz.html
ARK also lists Cannon Lake as plain 10nm as well though, see https://ark.intel.com/content/www/de/de/ark/products/136863/intel-core-i3-8121u-processor-4m-cache-up-to-3-20-ghz.html *shrugs*
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