The GTX 780, 770, 760 ti Thread *First review leaked $700+?*

[Fx1]

Interestingly enough, your graph totally excludes the GK104 which happens to be a smaller die size than the Tahiti. FX1, I won't insult you right now but I think you really need to do a critical self analysis of your posting style, when you insult someone else while being incorrect how do you think that affects perceptions? Come on.

On the topic of die size, I really think it caught AMD by surprise when Kepler was actually more efficient than their Tahiti part. Traditionally, in the past, nvidia always had worse efficiency and it definitely affected their mobile sales. Now enter kepler and suddenly nvidia is more efficient? It was definitely surprising and definitely had a bad effect on AMDs mobile sales for Tahiti. Hopefully AMD can stage a comeback with whatever next-gen part they're working on.

Im not wrong.

Historically Nvidia always had larger die GPU's than AMD. GK104 was an exception and the only reason is because GK110 wasnt launched as a desktop GPU until Titan.

Also lets get something straight here. I didnt insult anyone, firebird insulted me.

 

[96Firebird]

Does always mean something different in the UK compared to the US?

 

[Fx1]

The HD 7970 was smaller than the HD 6970.

40nm v 28nm

 

[UaVaj]

Entitlement. They've been spoiled the last couple generations and think they deserve the fastest GPUs for nothing. Once they realize how the market sustains prices, they will either pony up more cash or settle for the cheaper cards.

well said.

hate paying high price too, however given absolutely zero competition.
if you want such exclusive product, you have to coin up.
want to play, simply have to pay.

someone of you obviously need a reality check or perhap get your head check. :whiste:

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do hope you crywolfs are correct.
could use 780tri-sli for 449 each. :biggrin:

 

[Rvenger]

Are we really saying that the 7970 is not a competitive product at all? What is this forum coming to?

Not our fault Nvidia stripped over half the compute out of the GTX 680 and caused it to have better price/performance. AMD cards do have other functions other than gaming.

 

[Fx1]

Does always mean something different in the UK compared to the US?

So your whole argument is around a technicality?

Your still wrong though because GK110 is the big die GPU version of GK104. The follow up GPU to the 580 GTX.

Nvidia has a big die GPU strategy and AMD doesnt.

Name ONE GPU from AMD which is over 500mm2 Actually no lets make it 400mm2.

Now go look at how many GPU's Nvidia has over 400mm2

 

[Jaydip]

Yes because GK104 wasnt their flagship GPU. GK110 was the flagship GPU that was never launched. Until Titan anyway.

Not this again.680 was the successor to 580 we like it or not.

 

[BallaTheFeared]

I disagree :|

 

[RussianSensation]

That's the reason why we need competition. And we dont need to compare a GTX780 to the 7970GHz. Because if you can't afford a GTX780 or Titan you can buy a GTX770 with the same performance.

So what you are saying when HD7970 came out, it would have been perfectly fine to price it at $699 vs. the GTX580 that was going for $450? The delta between 780 and 7970GE/770 is rumored to be similar to that of 7970 and 580 and yet you complained non-stop.

Hey, he is still comparing the 7970GHz to the GTX780. :$

Yes because that's the fastest AMD card now. Go ahead include GTX770 if you want. If the 770 is $399 or 449 and is 5% faster than 7970GE, a $699 780 is still overpriced.

Yeah, because a) nobody never overclocked their GTX580 and b) nVidia never released a faster and cheaper GPU 2 1/2 months later.

Even when 580 was OC, it was no match for 7970 OC, not even close.

Nobody is "ok" with these prices. But without competition - something you like to ignore - there is no pressure at all for nVidia to lower their prices.

Using your logic, HD5870 should have been $649-699, HD4870 should have been $449 instead of $299, and HD7970 should have been $649-699 since all those cards beat their NV competitors. You seem to keep trying to explain to people here why NV's high prices are justifiable all of a sudden. If VI is 20% faster than the Titan on 20nm, is it OK for it to cost $1,200 then until Maxwell arrives?

I find it most amusing that people are saying that games like TR, C3, etc. are old. So what's the point of buying these $700-1000 cards then? To play Company of Heroes 2 and 10 hours of Metro LL campaign? I don't understand where such large demand for 28nm cards is coming from on the tail end of PS3/360 consoles with no next gen PC games in sight for a while. Seems like a waste of $ to buy $700+ 28nm GPUs 1.5 years after 7970 came out.

Are we really saying that the 7970 is not a competitive product at all? What is this forum coming to?

Pretty much. Apparently if another maker is 20-25% faster, they can increase prices 50%+. Somehow some of these people forget that HD7970 @ 1.2ghz has been around in enthusiast hands for 1.5 years. I guess this generation price/performance and technology curve is out the window. Go Premiums! Can't wait for $1,000-1,250 20nm VI/Maxwell flagships. Yaay.

 

[Jaydip]

I disagree :|

It was not even an option Balla

 

[96Firebird]

Name ONE GPU from AMD which is over 500mm2 Actually no lets make it 400mm2.

Ok!

http://www.beyond3d.com/content/reviews/16/2

420mm².

It's competition, the G92, was a whopping...

http://www.techpowerup.com/gpudb/201/geforce-8800-gt.html

324mm².

Ah, I see you said AMD. Are we including ATi in this? No?

 

[Fx1]

I disagree :|

The only people who will disagree with you are 680 GTX owners.

If you look at the 4xx and 5xx GPU's The top 3 variants were based on the big GPU's with fuses blown.

The 580, 570 560ti are all huge die GPU's with fuses blown. Same for the 4xx series!!!!

The Titan and 780 GTX are actually the 680 and 670 GTX.

 

[BallaTheFeared]

Even when 580 was OC, it was no match for 7970 OC

Killer factory overclock on that 580, bro!

 

[Fx1]

Ok!

http://www.beyond3d.com/content/reviews/16/2

420mm².

It's competition, the G92, was a whopping...

http://www.techpowerup.com/gpudb/201/geforce-8800-gt.html

324mm².

Hahaha so you had to dig out an 80nm chip from 2006/7 The only big GPU ATI has EVER made. It was still smaller than Nvidias chips which are often 420-550mm2

 

[96Firebird]

Dig up? It was right in the image you posted...

 

[Fx1]

Ok!

http://www.beyond3d.com/content/reviews/16/2

420mm².

It's competition, the G92, was a whopping...

http://www.techpowerup.com/gpudb/201/geforce-8800-gt.html

324mm².

Ah, I see you said AMD. Are we including ATi in this? No?

Also the 8800 competed with R600 both 2007 and the 8800 was bigger at 484mm2 vs 420mm2 R600. Also there was a big GPU in 2006 from Nvidia also.

 

[wand3r3r]

well said.

hate paying high price too, however given absolutely zero competition.
if you want such exclusive product, you have to coin up.
want to play, simply have to pay.

someone of you obviously need a reality check or perhap get your head check. :whiste:

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do hope you crywolfs are correct.
could use 780tri-sli for 449 each. :biggrin:

I will be waiting to see if your a hypocrite when the 9970 is released and they jack up the price.

Sontins long shown his hypocrisy so that's a forgone conclusion.

 

[sontin]

So what you are saying when HD7970 came out, it would have been perfectly fine to price it at $699 vs. the GTX580 that was going for $450? The delta between 780 and 7970GE/770 is rumored to be similar to that of 7970 and 580 and yet you complained non-stop.

The delta is a product of competition. Titan is out for 3 months and there is no faster and cheaper AMD card on the market.

And it was the first 28nm card. Everyone knew that nVidia would bring out new cards on 28nm, too. And with only 20% faster than the GTX680 it was more than clear that that card will be faster.

Yes because that's the fastest AMD card now. Go ahead include GTX780 if you want. If the 780 is $399 or 449 and is 5% faster than 7970GE, a $699 780 is still overpriced.

So as it was in the Fermi generation with the GTX570 and GTX580. :awe:

Using your logic, HD5870 should have been $649-699, HD4870 should have been $449 instead of $299, and HD7970 should have been $649-699 since all those cards beat their NV competitors.

Except that the HD4870 was only on par with the GTX260 AMD can choice whatever prices they want. In the end if the competition offering a much better product to a much better price (hint GTX680 hint) than they will adjust their prices.

Without competition on the other hand. But this is a story you will still ignore. So...

You seem to keep trying to explain to people here why NV's high prices are justifiable all of a sudden. If VI is 20% faster than the Titan on 20nm, is it OK for it to cost $1,200 then until Maxwell arrives?

Why not? I don't need to buy it. And if nVidia will bring a 15% faster GM104 for $499 then everyone will win.

I find it most amusing that people are saying that games like TR, C3, etc. are old. So what's the point of buying these $700-1000 cards then? To play Company of Heroes 2 and 10 hours of Metro LL campaign? I don't understand where such large demand for 28nm cards is coming from on the tail end of PS3/360 consoles with no next gen PC games in site for a while. Seems like a waste of $ to buy $700+ 28nm GPUs 1.5 years after 7970 came out.

I played Tomb Raider with all effects and with 74FPS with Titan. And my Titan is more than 40% faster than an overclocked 7970. :awe:

 

[Crap Daddy]

Until AMD comes up with something to compete, NVidia can set whatever price they consider in order to make the most profit possible. The market will decide what price is right. It is not our business, nobody is forcing us to buy and we cannot influence their business decisions. So get over it. Want the fastest GPU around? Cough up the bucks.

 

[UaVaj]

some of them does not get this basic concept.

actually they do. they just rather look the other way and complain instead.

it is cheaper to complain than to coin up.

 

[steviaintheraw]

Until AMD comes up with something to compete, NVidia can set whatever price they consider in order to make the most profit possible. The market will decide what price is right. It is not our business, nobody is forcing us to buy and we cannot influence their business decisions. So get over it. Want the fastest GPU around? Cough up the bucks.

Uh, we are the market

 

[OILFIELDTRASH]

Yes nvidia can charge what they want. I also reserve the right to switch video card companies which is what I did. $260 and my 7950 overclocked is in the same ballpark as any card made.

 

[OILFIELDTRASH]

Until AMD comes up with something to compete, NVidia can set whatever price they consider in order to make the most profit possible. The market will decide what price is right. It is not our business, nobody is forcing us to buy and we cannot influence their business decisions. So get over it. Want the fastest GPU around? Cough up the bucks.

It's not about "coughing up the bucks". If I saw some value in the titan say 3X faster than the 7950 then it's possible I'd cough up the bucks. As is though you'd have to be a fool to give them $1000 for something that can be nearly as fast for $270 in the overclocked 7950.

 

[BallaTheFeared]

Three times faster... like that would ever happen on any node with some semblance of competitiveness.

 

[Elfear]

I played Tomb Raider with all effects and with 74FPS with Titan. And my Titan is more than 40% faster than an overclocked 7970. :awe:

I assume you're playing at 1080p with FXAA if you're getting 74fps. I'm not seeing the >40% here...