The GTX 780, 770, 760 ti Thread *First review leaked $700+?*

[RussianSensation]

And now we are ignoring inflation. Wow.

Tech is one of the few things in the world that gets cheaper for the same level of performance or faster for a similar price. 13 years ago GeForce 2 Ultra was $500. GTX680 was $500. If GTX770 ~ GTX680 for $399 which it should be since HD7970GE is around that price, what do you think a reasonable price for the GTX780 is? Surely not $699.

And i dont get it: You defend AMD and giving them a free pass for their pricing but yet complaining about nVidia? Why do you not start to criticize AMD for not bringing faster cards to the market?"

Not this again. For the 50th time, I do not defend AMD's pricing. I explained why I think AMD did it but at the same I already stated on several occassions that to me now HD7970/7970GE are both overpriced since they are old tech. Also, why would I criticize AMD for not bringing out faster cards? First, they said earlier in the year, no such cards will arrive until late Q4. They made no promises. Second, whatever pricing NV comes out with, it can still be measured reasonably against HD7970GE. $699 against $449 7970GE with 4 games is not reasonable for a ~20% performance increase. $549 and now we are talking.

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Anyone else notice that NV launched the Titan around PS4's announcement and now they are launching GTX780 around Xbox Next's announcement?

 

[Genx87]

I think this launch ties in with Intels launch more than the annoucement of a console that probably wont sell real well in 2013.

 

[willomz]

Tech is one of the few things in the world that gets cheaper for the same level of performance or faster for a similar price. 13 years ago GeForce 2 Ultra was $500. GTX680 was $500. If GTX770 ~ GTX680 for $399 which it should be since HD7970GE is around that price, what do you think a reasonable price for the GTX780 is? Surely not $699.

You can't just assume that historical trends are going to continue indefinitely, this is how the credit crunch happened.

We've already seen progress on CPU performance slow down, it will happen to GPUs as well.

 

[tviceman]

To pretty much everyone's sentiment here, I hope to see the gtx780 come in at no more than $550. I think it's going to be $599. $550 would carry a small price premium on the perf/$ curve vs. AMD's best, but the top end flagship card (dual cards and extreme Halo cards excluded) usually carry a little bit of a premium. The one small, interesting take from this situation is that Nvidia has in the past neutered memory controllers to make other cards. In that regard, I see a gtx770ti with 12 SMX's and a 320-bit bus coming at some point in the near future. If we get a $550 price out of GTX780, then a gtx770TI would probably come in at around $475 or so, but if gtx780 comes in at $599 (or more ) then we'd be looking at $500 probably for a gtx770ti. At this point though, with the gtx770 and gtx780 the two biggest unknowns (and interesting) factors to me will be overclockability. Will Nvidia throw a bone with the gtx780 and allow for some decent overclocks? And also, will there be any headroom whatsoever in gtx770's insanely high stock vram speed?

Hype and the upgrade itch was getting to me (and also some unused amazon gift cards) but I'm definitely holding out until Sea Islands and Maxwell are both out.

 

[sontin]

Tech is one of the few things in the world that gets cheaper for the same level of performance or faster for a similar price. 13 years ago GeForce 2 Ultra was $500. GTX680 was $500. If GTX770 ~ GTX680 for $399 which it should be since HD7970GE is around that price, what do you think a reasonable price for the GTX780 is? Surely not $699.

Why is $699 not a "reasonable price"? Everybody knows that prices are a result of competition.

And Moores Law is not offsetting inflation. A GTX780 for $650 has the same value like a GF2 Ultra for $500 13 years ago. The GTX780 cost not more because $500 has not the same value today as it had in the past..

Also, why would I criticize AMD for not bringing out faster cards? First, they said earlier in the year, no such cards will arrive until late Q4. They made no promises.

So you complaining about nVidia's prices and have no problem that the competition is taking a break until Q4?
Makes sense, i guess...

Second, whatever pricing NV comes out with, it can still be measured reasonably against HD7970GE. $699 against $449 7970GE with 4 games is not reasonable for a ~20% performance increase. $549 and now we are talking.

No it can not. nVidia will have a card with nearly the same performance for the same price. Everything behind that is not in the same league. And if you think people care more about games than performance:
They can buy a GTX660 and these 4 games for much less than a 7970GHz.

 

[tviceman]

Anyone else notice that NV launched the Titan around PS4's announcement and now they are launching GTX780 around Xbox Next's announcement?

Haha good catch. Speaking of consoles, I think Nvidia needs to be more conscious about their pricing in respects to next-gen consoles than they do against AMD's video cards. Ultimately they are now competing against AMD on two fronts - both PC gamer's wanting to upgrade and/or future gamers deciding between going PC upgrade or getting a console. If Nvidia decides to push forward with ultra-high end pricing for future cards, they will ultimately push enthusiasts towards new $400-500 consoles which will offer graphics damn near on par with the highest of high end PC games (for the first year or two anyway).

 

[sontin]

"Push towards consoles"? Next-Gen graphics performance is a little bit better than the GTX660. So with a GTX780 for $599 - $699 you getting more than twice the performance of the GPU in the PS4.

 

[steviaintheraw]

You can't just assume that historical trends are going to continue indefinitely, this is how the credit crunch happened.

We've already seen progress on CPU performance slow down, it will happen to GPUs as well.

The credit crunch is kind of an extreme comparison. You can't just assume that historical trends will continue, but you also can't ignore them

 

[Rvenger]

They can buy a GTX660 and these 4 games for much less than a 7970GHz.

Yeah because a GTX 660 is faster than a 7970GE. The GTX 780 will be $699 which is overpriced and offers 20% over the $500 GTX 680. At least the 7970 offered 20% over the 580 (and 50% over the 7970) at $549.


So you were complaining about AMD's launch for how long? Nvidia takes this to a whole new level and you defend them. Sorry, inflation doesn't happen in increments of $150 or $500

 

[sontin]

It was not about performance.

So you were complaining about AMD's launch for how long? Nvidia takes this to a whole new level and you defend them. Sorry, inflation doesn't happen in increments of $150 or $500

I complaint because i know what will happen. The problem was there were people who thought that nVidia would not bring new 28nm cards which will be faster.

One year later we see what AMD's "go premium" strategy did to the market.

And now there are people who have no problem that the same company which is responsible for the higher prices is taking a break until "late q4" to bring out real new gpus.

That's really ironic.

 

[Fx1]

You can't just assume that historical trends are going to continue indefinitely, this is how the credit crunch happened.

We've already seen progress on CPU performance slow down, it will happen to GPUs as well.

Except a GPU scales with cores and a CPU doesnt.

GPU's are parallel processors so they will continue to get faster as long as process nodes keep shrinking.

Even after we reach those limits GPU's can scale with more GPU's on a card.

 

[blackened23]

Yeah because a GTX 660 is faster than a 7970GE. The GTX 780 will be $699 which is overpriced and offers 20% over the $500 GTX 680. At least the 7970 offered 20% over the 580 (and 50% over the 7970) at $549.


So you were complaining about AMD's launch for how long? Nvidia takes this to a whole new level and you defend them. Sorry, inflation doesn't happen in increments of $150 or $500

You'll need 2 Titans to pair with your Tegra 4 (since x86 is dead, right sontin? right?) and those Titans will go great with a Shield handheld. This is my takeaway from sontin's posts.

 

[Silverforce11]

"Push towards consoles"? Next-Gen graphics performance is a little bit better than the GTX660. So with a GTX780 for $599 - $699 you getting more than twice the performance of the GPU in the PS4.

I thought we've been over this already many times. It doesn't matter if PC GPUs are 2 or 3x more powerful than consoles. On the PC, you are coding to windows. The end.

 

[sontin]

I thought we've been over this already many times. It doesn't matter if PC GPUs are 2 or 3x more powerful than consoles. On the PC, you are coding to windows. The end.

And? I'm playing Metro:Last Light with "Very High", GPU PhysX and 2xSSAA with over 30fps (80% is over 60FPS!) in 1080p.

So, you are really saying that the next gen consoles will provide better frames than my Titan? :hmm:

 

[Face2Face]

Here are some more pictures of the bare card, back of PCB and cooler.

http://www.techpowerup.com/184202/geforce-gtx-780-pictured-some-more.html

More info here about final clocks and boost clocks

http://videocardz.com/41830/galaxy-...=galaxy-geforce-gtx-780-pictured-and-detailed

Open CL Benchmarks

http://videocardz.com/41732/nvidia-geforce-gtx-780-opencl-performance-unveiled

 

[tviceman]

And? I'm playing Metro:Last Light with "Very High", GPU PhysX and 2xSSAA with over 30fps (80% is over 60FPS!) in 1080p.

So, you are really saying that the next gen consoles will provide better frames than my Titan? :hmm:

No, probably not but games are going to look nearly indistinguishable for the first two years, and a console will cost at least half as much as a $1000 video card, let alone the rest of the components required to actually make use of the video card.

 

[RussianSensation]

And now there are people who have no problem that the same company which is responsible for the higher prices is taking a break until "late q4" to bring out real new gpus.

That's really ironic.

Somehow it still went over your head. NV refreshed GTX280 with 285 and lowered its price before HD4890 launched. Even in light of AMD not having anything faster than HD7970GE, we compare previous gen flagships such as 7970GE/GTX680 to what's coming next that replaces them. If GTX780 is a GTX680 replacement, then NV gave us 35% increase going from 580 to 680 and now they are jacking up the price to $599-699 from 680? If we compare GTX780 to the current AMD flagship, the 7970GE, then $599-699 is still too high because these cards are going for $450 or even lower.

You also say people do not care about games. I disagree. With 1050mhz GPU 7970GEs going for $400, you get BI, C3 and TR. If the 780 is $699, it looks completely out of place if it's only 20% faster.

Sorry you seem to be living in dreamland where the majority of PC gamers are now OK with $700-1000 flagship GPUs from NV and yet complained for nearly a year when HD7970 launched at $550 with a 20% boost over 580 and when overclocked it crushed the 580 by 50-60%.

 

[wand3r3r]

"Push towards consoles"? Next-Gen graphics performance is a little bit better than the GTX660. So with a GTX780 for $599 - $699 you getting more than twice the performance of the GPU in the PS4.

lol

Your desperation to paint nv in a positive almighty company light is hilarious.

First, buy a 660 and pay for 4 games instead of getting a 7970 with them free. :facepalm:
Then, buy a 780 for 600-700 instead of a console.

AMD is sitting on their thumbs and it sucks to allow nv to do whatever gouging they want. The funny thing is to watch you in here chasing your tail to defend them.

 

[steviaintheraw]

Somehow it still went over your head. NV refreshed GTX280 with 285 and lowered its price before HD4890 launched. Even in light of AMD not having anything faster than HD7970GE, we compare previous gen flagships such as 7970GE/GTX680 to what's coming next that replaces them. If GTX780 is a GTX680 replacement, then NV gave us 35% increase going from 580 to 680 and now they are jacking up the price to $599-699 from 680? If we compare GTX780 to the current AMD flagship, the 7970GE, then $599-699 is still too high because these cards are going for $450 or even lower.

You also say people do not care about games. I disagree. With 1050mhz GPU 7970GEs going for $400, you get BI, C3 and TR. If the 780 is $699, it looks completely out of place if it's only 20% faster.

Sorry you seem to be living in dreamland where the majority of PC gamers are now OK with $700-1000 flagship GPUs from NV and yet complained for nearly a year when HD7970 launched at $550 with a 20% boost over 580 and when overclocked it crushed the 580 by 50-60%.

I think we're much more likely to see a Titan price drop with this launch if anything than a massive price jack in the core product line's flagship card.

Well that's what I would do at any rate.

 

[BallaTheFeared]

AMD's game bundle is older than dirt, is it really even a factor at this point?


Nvidia already made bank this generation, and gained a ton of market share. Releasing the GTX 780 at $500 or less would be, well... Epic.

They can either be greedy and milk the teat further, or use this opportunity amid huge profits to gain some invaluable mindshare.

 

[wand3r3r]

AMD's game bundle is older than dirt, is it really even a factor at this point?


Nvidia already made bank this generation, and gain a ton of market share. Releasing the GTX 780 at $500 or less would be, well... Epic.

They can either be greedy and milk the teat further, or use this opportunity amid huge profits to gain some invaluable mindshare.

I would think it is a factor. How old are the games? Some are pretty new. If you consider who's still buying a high end card, they obviously are using something pretty old and may not be buying all the latest games because their current card could hardly push them.

Of course it's not the wow how can they do it anymore, but I think it's a great bonus on top of an already price competitive card. The price is probably already better than the comparable NV card, so it's just a cherry on top.

It's probably a factor for the prospective audience

It wasn't long ago they said it was very beneficial (without giving hard numbers though afaik).

 

[BallaTheFeared]

They're pretty old, except FC3:BD which was poorly received.

People are sitting on the bundle code for all three games for $25 or less and there little incentive as far as purchasing a video card for them.

Personally I'm waiting for price drops and a new bundle, price is too high on 79xx and as I said, the bundle is near worthless to sell and the games have been out for months already (and I've had multiple codes already).


79xx was already overpriced (as well as Nvidia's cards), with 7xx series coming it's all going to get pushed down, there is no incentive currently to buy any higher end AMD cards because an impending refresh in nearly here.

 

[Rvenger]

How is the 79xx going to get pushed down when the 780 will be 20% faster with the same amount of VRAM at almost a 50% price increase?

 

[BallaTheFeared]

Because you don't actually know the price, and the 760Ti is going to be faster than the 7950 boost, and the 770 is going to be as fast or faster than the GHz, and because AMD when faster needs to sell lower and bundle more to move product.

 

[Rvenger]

Because you don't actually know the price, and the 760Ti is going to be faster than the 7950 boost, and the 770 is going to be as fast or faster than the GHz, and because AMD when faster needs to sell lower and bundle more to move product.

NVM