The GTX 780, 770, 760 ti Thread *First review leaked $700+?*

[BallaTheFeared]

No no the same quality materials.I remember JHH saying something about it when unveiling the 690.

Unfortunately, Nvidia says the 690’s magnesium alloy fan housing was too expensive, so the entire cover is now aluminum (except for the polycarbonate window—another design cue that carries over from GeForce GTX 690).

Looks the same, but not the same.

The 690 was a more elegant design, for a more elegant age. ()

 

[Jaydip]

Looks the same, but not the same.

The 690 was a more elegant design, for a more elegant age. ()

Ha ha ok

 

[24601]

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No no the same quality materials.I remember JHH saying something about it when unveiling the 690.
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Unfortunately, Nvidia says the 690’s magnesium alloy fan housing was too expensive, so the entire cover is now aluminum (except for the polycarbonate window—another design cue that carries over from GeForce GTX 690).
Looks the same, but not the same.

The 690 was a more elegant design, for a more elegant age.

That shouldn't matter much to enthusiasts, since that's not reducing anything to do with the cooling ability, and it doesn't look noticeably worse.

It would be cool if one of the OEMs used something like the Titan cooler for reference 7970s

7970s are extremely inferior in Crossfire configuration from a pure heat management standpoint.

 

[Cookie Monster]

I asked what those 2 additional components on the 780 pcb were last time the pics were posted but no one ever answered. surely someone can at least guess for the time being.

Doesn't look like it really matters.

The component in the red highlighted square is simply a diode, and seeing as there is a SO-8 (the 8 pin IC which could be an IC with a built in switch) next to an inductor and some ceramic capacitors.. could be just the usual external diode for a switch mode regulator.

The components in the light green highlighted square looks like SMD resistors (or caps?) which means that what ever that IC is.. its just using that specific features by placing external components. Looking at the high res pic from TPU.. looks like the titan board from that link is a different version because the GTX780 board looks almost identical to the titan board from TPU - http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/NVIDIA/GeForce_GTX_Titan/images/front_full.jpg

The SMD resistor in the orange highlighted square could be a thermistor/NTC, a 0ohm short to enable a certain part of the circuitry etc.

Other than that... looks like cost cutting procedures have taken place which is to be expected. OR they took off components to say that its a GTX780 board because some of the components that are not soldered doesn't make sense... actually the titan board shot look PSed on some of the "blank" PCB areas..

Thats my 2cents!

We will all find out soon though

 

[steviaintheraw]

If the 780 is 599, I will jump all over it. If it's 699, I'll by a GE, and then get another down the road when the CF drivers have improved. While Nvidia has the upper-hand, they are not a monopoly, and I'll use my wallet to show them it's the case. They have already stated that the Titan was a novelty product. If they go back on that, and treat it like the new normal, It's going to backfire.

This. Everyone who complained about the price of the Titan was told it was a luxury product and not a mainstream card and compared to a ferrari. You can't use that to justify its price and then use its price to justify jacking the cost of the mainstream cards.

 

[RussianSensation]

Why are you comparing it to GHz though RS, why not 780 vs Titan in OpenCL?

I provided GTX780 vs. Titan, GTX780 vs. HD7970 and a general graph with many cards.
http://videocardz.com/41732/nvidia-geforce-gtx-780-opencl-performance-unveiled

What's the problem again balla? I clearly noted that compute performance looks significantly lower vs. the Titan compared to the specs of the 780. That seems odd to me unless the card was neutered in compute.

-now that nv is going 2 high end chip sizes 20 nm will be the same. amd can not compete with nv pro chips waiting to sand bag them at every node.
-had they completed their refresh ,even if they matched titan , nv would have unlocked the clocks so still no win for amd .
-unless they go for a big chip [10% smaller than titan like chips] and cripple anything under a titan like chip for nv , but can they do that with out deep margin cuts or a loss .,

Pretty much. Ever since NV went to a large die strategy starting with G80, it was nearly a foregone conclusion that unless AMD makes large die chips (500-550mm2) chips or miraculously invents a far more efficient architecture (9700Pro) or NV makes a very poor architecture (GF5), then NV will continue to hold the performance leadership indefinitely.

I don't know why this is a surprise to people. AMD cannot afford to make 550-560mm2 chips since the costs of R&D and manufacturing of such large chips wouldn't make them profitable as gaming chips. It's different for NV because they amortize those costs across Tesla/Quadro and are making a killing on those product lines.

The biggest difference this generation is NV raised the price far beyond 8800GTX, GTX280/480/580 levels. If you go back as far as 2006, NV has maintained the performance crown, except from late June 2012 to the Titan's release when HD7970GE was faster than the 680. Going forward, NV has tested the $1000 price level with GTX690/Titan. I do not see why this won't become the new pricing point for NV's 550mm2 chips as the market seems to be paying. If VI is 460-480mm2, then maybe it can come within 15-20% of the flagship Maxwell card. Will AMD price a 460-480mm2 chip at $549 though? If GTX780 is $649-699.

They want to sell and make money, not have the performance crown. They're more than willing to give up a performance crown if it means they make money.

I am pretty sure AMD wants the performance crown but based on how NV and AMD run, at the current time AMD cannot afford to make 550-560mm2 die gaming cards. It's not justifiable from a financial standpoint given their small market penetration with FirePro/computing solutions compared to NV.

 

[wand3r3r]

This. Everyone who complained about the price of the Titan was told it was a luxury product and not a mainstream card and compared to a ferrari. You can't use that to justify its price and then use its price to justify jacking the cost of the mainstream cards.

Welcome to the forums.

It's merely marketing. A new label and a shiny cover doesn't make it a 'ferrari'. A gtx 580 successor relabeled.

The 780 is the same thing with a failed part or two. It's no different and it's only marketing to try sell the full part as a luxury product with a slightly broken part as a normal part.

Hopefully they don't use the titanic price scheme.

 

[BallaTheFeared]

I provided GTX780 vs. Titan, GTX780 vs. HD7970 and a general graph with many cards.
http://videocardz.com/41732/nvidia-geforce-gtx-780-opencl-performance-unveiled

What's the problem again balla? I clearly noted that compute performance looks significantly lower vs. the Titan compared to the specs of the 780. That seems odd to me unless the card was neutered in compute.

I only saw the last one, my bad not seeing the 780 vs Titan one.

I hope they neutered it, specifically the DP since that will help drive down the price and it's utterly worthless in games.

 

[lagokc]

Why is everyone complaining about the price of rediculously powerful cards when nVidia is effectively about to release a 670 for $300 (760Ti)? :hmm:

Don't like paying insane prices? Don't. The 760Ti is going to be enough of a beast that unless you have some kind of insane resolution you're not going to be hurting for more graphics power for some time.

 

[Jaydip]

Why is everyone complaining about the price of rediculously powerful cards when nVidia is effectively about to release a 670 for $300 (760Ti)? :hmm:

Don't like paying insane prices? Don't. The 760Ti is going to be enough of a beast that unless you have some kind of insane resolution you're not going to be hurting for more graphics power for some time.

Is it confirmed that 760Ti will sell for $300?

 

[wand3r3r]

Over a year later a $60 rebate? (Going for $360, been sales for $330) Everyone who wanted one had one long ago most likely.

Everyone's not on the NV gravy train (stocks, employees directly or indirectly) thus their price gouging doesn't fly.

 

[RussianSensation]

Why is everyone complaining about the price of rediculously powerful cards when nVidia is effectively about to release a 670 for $300 (760Ti)? :hmm: Don't like paying insane prices? Don't.

Because it sets a precedent for future GPU pricing, not only from NV but also from AMD. Now you think 760Ti at $299 is a good price but if GTX780 was $499-549 then 760Ti would be $249, and 770 $349, the same prices GTX560Ti and GTX570 debuted at. It's all relative.

 

[96Firebird]

Why is everyone complaining about the price of rediculously powerful cards when nVidia is effectively about to release a 670 for $300 (760Ti)? :hmm:

Don't like paying insane prices? Don't. The 760Ti is going to be enough of a beast that unless you have some kind of insane resolution you're not going to be hurting for more graphics power for some time.

Entitlement. They've been spoiled the last couple generations and think they deserve the fastest GPUs for nothing. Once they realize how the market sustains prices, they will either pony up more cash or settle for the cheaper cards.

 

[Golgatha]

According to this source the spec for the GTX 780 will be 3GB, 384bit, 863Mhz base core clock, and 2304 Cuda cores. One of the sources lists 500-500 eur, so around $600-700 USD.

http://www.tweaktown.com/news/30453...rive-launches-on-may-23/index.html/index.html

 

[wand3r3r]

Entitlement. They've been spoiled the last couple generations and think they deserve the fastest GPUs for nothing. Once they realize how the market sustains prices, they will either pony up more cash or settle for the cheaper cards.

Riiight. So the prices NV and AMD set up until now were "giving" them away. So says the guy with a 3 or 4 gen old card. Why haven't you upgraded to the 5 or 6 series if they were giving them away? lol

 

[wand3r3r]

According to this source the spec for the GTX 780 will be 3GB, 384bit, 863Mhz base core clock, and 2304 Cuda cores. One of the sources lists 500-500 eur, so around $600-700 USD.

http://www.tweaktown.com/news/30453...rive-launches-on-may-23/index.html/index.html

500-500e?

Anyways the prices are nearly 1:1. So 500e is close to $500.

btw, The sources they use are already in this thread.

 

[Jaydip]

500-500e?

Anyways the prices are nearly 1:1. So 500e is close to $500.

btw, The sources they use are already in this thread.

Hell in no way 780 is coming @ $499.If it's true, however unlikely, I will buy two period .

 

[96Firebird]

Riiight. So the prices NV and AMD set up until now were "giving" them away. So says the guy with a 3 or 4 gen old card. Why haven't you upgraded to the 5 or 6 series if they were giving them away? lol

It wasn't necessary for me? My priorities shifted and didn't really have time for gaming anymore. My GTX 460 still plays most games just fine at my resolution anyways, but thanks for the concern?

 

[steviaintheraw]

Welcome to the forums.

It's merely marketing. A new label and a shiny cover doesn't make it a 'ferrari'. A gtx 580 successor relabeled.

The 780 is the same thing with a failed part or two. It's no different and it's only marketing to try sell the full part as a luxury product with a slightly broken part as a normal part.

Hopefully they don't use the titanic price scheme.

Thanks. I've actually been around a really long time but I lost access to the e-mail address for my old account and can't remember the password =)

I agree that it is marketing. I'm not sure nVidia will attempt a huge price increase on their flagship of the new core product line. Maybe $50 to $549. I think $100 bump is pushing it. Some people are justifying it to themselves as a performance increase over the 680, but every generation should be a performance increase. Technology moves forward. If that was priced in proportionally every new product cycle, we would have to take out second mortgages on our houses to buy components by now.

 

[Golgatha]

500-500e?

Anyways the prices are nearly 1:1. So 500e is close to $500.

btw, The sources they use are already in this thread.

From themoneyconverter.com

500.00 EUR = 642.50 USD

600.00 EUR = 771.00 USD

My estimate of $600-700 USD is actually pretty conservative.

 

[steviaintheraw]

From themoneyconverter.com

500.00 EUR = 642.50 USD

600.00 EUR = 771.00 USD

My estimate of $600-700 USD is actually pretty conservative.

The list prices between the EU and the US aren't the same. MSRP on these cards is usually closer to 1EUR to 1 USD

 

[96Firebird]

From themoneyconverter.com

500.00 EUR = 642.50 USD

600.00 EUR = 771.00 USD

My estimate of $600-700 USD is actually pretty conservative.

While this is true, prices are higher in Europe. The best way to compare cards that are out in both markets to see how the prices differ.

 

[24601]

Thanks. I've actually been around a really long time but I lost access to the e-mail address for my old account and can't remember the password =)

I agree that it is marketing. I'm not sure nVidia will attempt a huge price increase on their flagship of the new core product line. Maybe $50 to $549. I think $100 bump is pushing it. Some people are justifying it to themselves as a performance increase over the 680, but every generation should be a performance increase. Technology moves forward. If that was priced in proportionally every new product cycle, we would have to take out second mortgages on our houses to buy components by now.

Some people really like to not understand capitalism as expressed by cartel behavior.

AMD/ATi and NVIDIA are a cartel as the only players, in the past one or the other competed instead of cooperated for a time.

They understood it was in their mutual best interest to help each other, and now we have the situation we are in now.
Same thing happens/happened in Intel vs AMD.

Under true competition, ATi and AMD would have been driven bankrupt(the permanent kind) many years ago, however that is not beneficial to the other players.

 

[RussianSensation]

Entitlement. They've been spoiled the last couple generations and think they deserve the fastest GPUs for nothing. Once they realize how the market sustains prices, they will either pony up more cash or settle for the cheaper cards.

:hmm:

Going back at least 13 years, high end GPU pricing has been $499-549 for the most part, with few outliers above that. I guess we are 'spoiled' if we want GPUs to get either cheaper or faster over time like GTX280's price dropping from $649 to $499 and then replaced by GTX285 at $349. It is unreasonable if we want a card 20% faster than HD7970GE for $549 1 year later? Really, it's 1.5 years since almost all 7970s could overclock to 1050mhz Jan 2012. Moving forward GPUs should get more expensive for extra performance then?

 

[sontin]

And now we are ignoring inflation. Wow.

And i dont get it: You defend AMD and giving them a free pass for their pricing but yet complaining about nVidia? Why do you not start to criticize AMD for not bringing faster cards to the market?"