The GTX 780, 770, 760 ti Thread *First review leaked $700+?*

[raghu78]

They're pretty old, except FC3:BD which was poorly received.

People are sitting on the bundle code for all three games for $25 or less and there little incentive as far as purchasing a video card for them.

Personally I'm waiting for price drops and a new bundle, price is too high on 79xx and as I said, the bundle is near worthless to sell and the games have been out for months already (and I've had multiple codes already).


79xx was already overpriced (as well as Nvidia's cards), with 7xx series coming it's all going to get pushed down, there is no incentive currently to buy any higher end AMD cards because an impending refresh in nearly here.

let me remind you that the GTX 770 is a slightly overclocked GTX 680 with 7 Ghz memory. Its not going to be much faster than HD 7970 Ghz even at stock. overclocked the situation does not change one bit from what its is now. a HD 7970 OC (1200 mhz) wins more than loses against GTX 680 OC(1300 Mhz). you bring in the game bundle into the equation and a HD 7970 Ghz is still better than GTX 770.

Nvidia's GTX 780 is going to be in a separate class in terms of price range and perf. i think USD 650 - 700 is what Nvidia will price it. GTX 780 will end up just around 15% slower than Titan and 20% faster than HD 7970 Ghz. GTX 760 Ti will have a bigger impact as at USD 300 it will beat a stock HD 7950 boost easily. overclocked the cards will end up on similar performance. here again I am talking of average overclocks HD 7950(1150 Mhz) against GTX 760 Ti(1250 mhz).

It would be better for AMD to push clocks to 1 Ghz on HD 7950 boost and 1.1 Ghz on HD 7970 Ghz to make sure they are on par at stock. But I doubt they will bother knowing very well that enthusiasts are going to push their cards anyway.

 

[BallaTheFeared]

Oh you do? That's great, fill us in!

$650 780, $??? ($500?) 770, $??? ($400?) 760 Ti

 

[wand3r3r]

Because you don't actually know the price, and the 760Ti is going to be faster than the 7950 boost, and the 770 is going to be as fast or faster than the GHz, and because AMD when faster needs to sell lower and bundle more to move product.

Now that you mention it, you don't know the price either (770/60 ti).

They could be 400/500 if the 780 were to be 700.

 

[SirPauly]

It's all relative.

Indeed! And AMD set 28nm pricing and when nVidia did see the price and performance they were dancing at nVidia's Santa Clara Headquarters.

Literally dancing at nVidia's Santa Clara Headquarters:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SJBKa48hyfM

 

[sontin]

Somehow it still went over your head. NV refreshed GTX280 with 285 and lowered its price before HD4890 launched. Even in light of AMD not having anything faster than HD7970GE, we compare previous gen flagships such as 7970GE/GTX680 to what's coming next that replaces them. If GTX780 is a GTX680 replacement, then NV gave us 35% increase going from 580 to 680 and now they are jacking up the price to $599-699 from 680? If we compare GTX780 to the current AMD flagship, the 7970GE, then $599-699 is still too high because these cards are going for $450 or even lower.

That's the reason why we need competition. And we dont need to compare a GTX780 to the 7970GHz. Because if you can't afford a GTX780 or Titan you can buy a GTX770 with the same performance.

But i think that went over your head.

You also say people do not care about games. I disagree. With 1050mhz GPU 7970GEs going for $400, you get BI, C3 and TR. If the 780 is $699, it looks completely out of place if it's only 20% faster.

Hey, he is still comparing the 7970GHz to the GTX780. :$
I can buy all four games for less than 40€. That shows how much value people are seeing in the bundle.

Sorry you seem to be living in dreamland where the majority of PC gamers are now OK with $700-1000 flagship GPUs from NV and yet complained for nearly a year when HD7970 launched at $550 with a 20% boost over 580 and when overclocked it crushed the 580 by 50-60%.

Yeah, because a) nobody never overclocked their GTX580 and b) nVidia never released a faster and cheaper GPU 2 1/2 months later.

Nobody is "ok" with these prices. But without competition - something you like to ignore - there is no pressure at all for nVidia to lower their prices.

 

[BallaTheFeared]

Now that you mention it, you don't know the price either (770/60 ti).

They could be 400/500 if the 780 were to be 700.

Tis true!

 

[raghu78]

Oh you do? That's great, fill us in!

$650 780, $??? ($500?) 770, $??? ($400?) 760 Ti

Its more or less confirmed that GTX 760 Ti is at USD 300 and GTX 770 at USD 400. the GTX 780 looks to be around USD 650 - 700, since AMD does not have a competing product. Nvidia will make the most of this situation and go for higher prices/margins on their GTX 780.

 

[Rvenger]

Anyone post this? http://www.amazon.com/computers-acce.../dp/B00CUIVTCS

 

[wand3r3r]

Anyone post this? http://www.amazon.com/computers-acce.../dp/B00CUIVTCS

Not yet. Details.

EVGA GeForce GTX780 3GB GDDR5 384bit, Dual-Link DVI-I, DVI-D, HDMI,DP, SLI Ready Graphics Card (03G-P4-2781-KR)

Base Clock: 863 MHz
Boost Clock: 902 MHz
Memory Clock: 6008 MHz Effective
CUDA Cores: 2304
3072MB GDDR5 384bit Memory
Microsoft DirectX 11.1 API with Direct compute 5.0 Support, OpenGL 4.3 Support, OpenCL support
NVIDIA TXAA, NVIDIA GPU Boost 2.0, NVIDIA PhysX, NVIDIA FXAA, NVIDIA Adaptive Verticle Sync, NVIDIA Surround, NVIDIA 3D Vision Ready, NVIDIA 4-Way SLI Ready, NVIDIA CUDA Technologies
PCI express 3.0

 

[SirPauly]

That's the reason why we need competition.

imho,

Agree! Without it 28nm has proved when a company has a competitive advantage or competitive window of opportunity, their predator instincts and fangs are showcased as they devour value for premiums.

I'm not a fan of placing blame but when AMD offered a more evolutionary and incremental price performance with their launch prices it was based more-so on no 28nm product from nVidia -- It wasn't AMD's fault to me.

Nothing can really compete with the GK-110 and continues to offer a more evolutionary and incremental price performance -- It isn't nVidia's fault to me.

 

[Fx1]

Indeed! And AMD set 28nm pricing and when nVidia did see the price and performance they were dancing at nVidia's Santa Clara Headquarters.

Literally dancing at nVidia's Santa Clara Headquarters:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SJBKa48hyfM

Why do you keep posting this crap.

Nvidia prices their products higher than AMD no matter what AMD do. They have to because their GPU's are always massive and they like big margins.

All AMD did this time was price them closer to what Nvidia would be charging.

 

[SirPauly]

The GK-104 is smaller and more efficient! That is the competition for AMD's products over-all, imho.

 

[willomz]

Except a GPU scales with cores and a CPU doesnt.

GPU's are parallel processors so they will continue to get faster as long as process nodes keep shrinking.

Even after we reach those limits GPU's can scale with more GPU's on a card.

You don't get perfect scaling though, or a Titan would be double the speed of a 660 Ti.

Also the higher spec cards with more cores have to have their clockspeed reduced, they also have to deal with more heat which we know affects the Titan. Not to mention problems with manufacturing yields.

 

[96Firebird]

Why do you keep posting this crap.

Nvidia prices their products higher than AMD no matter what AMD do. They have to because their GPU's are always massive and they like big margins.

All AMD did this time was price them closer to what Nvidia would be charging.

Yessssss! More pure gold from Fx1!

 

[Fx1]

Yessssss! More pure gold from Fx1!

What are you saying?

COME ON... TELL ME

Is your strategy to post this crap without posting your own opinion?

Lets hear your opinion then?

Here is mine.

 

[Jaydip]

GK104 is smaller than Tahiti IIRC.

 

[blackened23]

Interestingly enough, your graph totally excludes the GK104 which happens to be a smaller die size than the Tahiti. FX1, I won't insult you right now but I think you really need to do a critical self analysis of your posting style, when you insult someone else while being incorrect how do you think that affects perceptions? Come on.

On the topic of die size, I really think it caught AMD by surprise when Kepler was actually more efficient than their Tahiti part. Traditionally, in the past, nvidia always had worse efficiency and it definitely affected their mobile sales. Now enter kepler and suddenly nvidia is more efficient? It was definitely surprising and definitely had a bad effect on AMDs mobile sales for Tahiti. Hopefully AMD can stage a comeback with whatever next-gen part they're working on.

 

[Fx1]

You don't get perfect scaling though, or a Titan would be double the speed of a 660 Ti.

Also the higher spec cards with more cores have to have their clockspeed reduced, they also have to deal with more heat which we know affects the Titan. Not to mention problems with manufacturing yields.

These problems are dealt with during the process shrink. You only have to look at the number of transistors on a GPU to see that it does scale.

 

[Fx1]

GK104 is smaller than Tahiti IIRC.

Yes because GK104 wasnt their flagship GPU. GK110 was the flagship GPU that was never launched. Until Titan anyway.

 

[SirPauly]

What are you saying?

COME ON... TELL ME

Is your strategy to post this crap without posting your own opinion?

Lets hear your opinion then?

Here is mine.

In the past AMD's smaller dies competed with the monolith dies from nVidia but this generation nVidia's smaller dies competed with the bigger dies from AMD.

 

[BallaTheFeared]

Maxwell should be fun, no R&D vs record profits...

Incoming $500 850 Ti Boost. :awe:

 

[SirPauly]

Yes because GK104 wasnt their flagship GPU. GK110 was the flagship GPU that was never launched. Until Titan anyway.

Maybe you missed the GTX 680 being their flag ship single GPU.

 

[SirPauly]

I really think it caught AMD by surprise when Kepler was actually more efficient than their Tahiti part.

I do as well!

 

[Fx1]

In the past AMD's smaller dies competed with the monolith dies from nVidia but this generation nVidia's smaller dies competed with the bigger dies from AMD.

Nvidias massive GPU's always have lots of die area which is dedicated to GP GPU. This is what must make them Tesla card GPU's

The GK104 was basically stripped back gaming GPU. This is why it performs so poorly at those GP GPU tasks but can keep up on FPS.

AMD should have kept making small gaming GPU's rather than try and compete in GP GPU.

 

[SirPauly]

The HD 7970 was smaller than the HD 6970.