The GTX 780, 770, 760 ti Thread *First review leaked $700+?*

[Face2Face]

So $599 for the GTX 780, little more than I had hoped. I am looking forward to some benchmarks though. I am also interested to see if AMD does anything in response? New drivers with improved performance, price drops or 5 free games

 

[blackened23]

So $599 for the GTX 780, little more than I had hoped. I am looking forward to some benchmarks though. I am also interested to see if AMD does anything in response? New drivers with improved performance, price drops or 5 free games

They just need to hurry up and release a proper follow-up. I'm sure they can sell based on value as they have been for so many months, but i'm not sure how long that will last. They should just release new products soon, although sadly that doesn't appear to be happening anytime in the next few months.

 

[Fx1]

AMD needs to come out and say when its 20nm chips are going to launch. That is the only reason that will keep people from buying Nvidia for the next 6 months.

 

[tviceman]

AMD needs to come out and say when its 20nm chips are going to launch. That is the only reason that will keep people from buying Nvidia for the next 6 months.

Yeah paper launch six months in advance, kill their sales now. :thumbsup:

 

[blackened23]

AMD needs to come out and say when its 20nm chips are going to launch. That is the only reason that will keep people from buying Nvidia for the next 6 months.

That would be incredibly stupid for many reasons. You just don't do this if you're a corporation looking to make money - admittedly, AMD may not be interested in making money thanks to their woefully inadequate management.

In any case, don't look for this to happen even if a release is coming in a few months time.

 

[Fx1]

Yeah paper launch six months in advance, kill their sales now. :thumbsup:

Its not a paper launch.

Also car makers tell their customers years in advance of new models and they still sell cars.

If customers know when 20nm will arrive they can plan their purchases rather than go buy Nvidia 7xx series.

We have known Haswell was coming for 18 months in advance

 

[ICDP]

The GTX770 will trade blows with 7970GE and at the same price AMD cannot rely on a games bundle to entice people. IMHO 7970 GE will need to drop in price by ~15% and the rest of the lineup needs to drop by the same amount.

If AMD have a new refresh they need to get it out soon. Unlike Nvidia AMD cannot afford to be late to the party.

 

[jackstar7]

I hope this actually drops the 7990 does by a couple hundred bucks... but I'm assuming they don't want my money.

 

[BallaTheFeared]

Maybe you can explain this one to me, Chimax. I'm still completely confused as to how an unreleased chip could ever be considered high end. If we did that on a broad basis - nothing would be considered high end, heck everything is "mid-range". Now, are we going to move goal posts and state that Tahiti was always mid range. VI was in the works and there's the true high end - of course that would be a ridiculous argument. Of course GK110 is out NOW, but at GK104s launch it was in no way "mid range", because nothing better was in existence.

That argument always has, and always will be silly. GK110 wasn't released or near-ready at the time of GK104s launch, so seeing the GK104 proclaimed as mid range when nothing better was ready or released, is quite funny. Going back in time to March 2012 there is no argument for GK104 being "mid range" unless one is being intentionally obtuse. But I do understand the "mid range" phrase is a favored phrase by some more dense posters, stated as a means of starting an inflammatory argument. (I know the other side is guilty of doing similar things, before anyone points this out).

Or if we can move the goalposts for either side based on unreleased products, shall we do that? Is that a "thing" now?

Not surprising, hopefully I can explain it.

We have a clear history of what Nvidia has, why wasn't GK104 high end? Too small die, too small bus, no DP, wrong name (GK104), not enough performance increase over last gen.

There is no broad bases, it's actually quite condensed. We're looking directly at a generation, we don't break down a uarch based on product release time frames. The 6870 released before the 6970, was the 6870 high end? No of course not, that would be a stupid thought process.

Move what goalposts? I'm not sure you're able to comprehend what is being discussed. It's quite obvious Tahiti is AMD's high end product, there is no higher codename for AMD. Their product stack looks exactly like it did last generation, just like Nvidia's does. Nobody has said Tahiti was mid-range, I hope you're still following along and I didn't go too fast for you here.

Again you're using a logical fallacy to support a wayward argument. A next gen mid-range product beat a last gen high end product, this happens every generation I hate to tell you. If AMD releases the 9870 prior to the 9970 on 20nm, is the 9870 now their high end product? Again, of course not that would be just as stupid as calling a small die, small bus, no DP, mid-range code named Kepler high end simply because high end hadn't been released yet.

Yes, I agree as well. Simply a silly argument to state GK104 is anything but a mid-range design. The only discussion there is how long it actually took Nvidia to release a high end product, not that GK104 all of a sudden became a high end product despite it not being designed as a high end product simply because nvidia didn't release their high end product right away.

I was making the argument for GK104 being mid-range the moment it was released, check the post history.

Posted By: BallaTheFeared Posted: 03-06-2012 07:18 PM

No, not really... This is still the GF104 replacement, even if Nvidia is going to gouge us on it.

03-22-2012, 08:39 AM BallaTheFeared


If you ignore the 580 and 7970 and look at what this card really replaces, the 560ti, it becomes apparent that Nvidia has really done something right this generation, that's almost a 100% increase in performance in just a years time.

I wonder what kind of increase we'll see over GF110 when GK110 releases, I don't think it will be as much as this is, but it's still probably going to be an amazing card for Nvidia.

Nvidia has produce a mid range replacement which can compete with last gens dual gpu cards, it's quite impressive. The only real problem is the current state of the market, the bar wasn't raised enough by the other side and price/performance now reflects a market where one companies high end card is being eclipsed by the others mid range card. This is the problem with duo monopolies, there isn't enough competition to truly keep the consumers on the winning side of price/performance.

Probably best not to attempt to talk down to people.

 

[wand3r3r]

Yep, you've been consistent in that criticism.

 

[blackened23]

$599 GTX780 is mildly disappointing, although not out of line with Nvidia's gtx480 and gtx580 premium pricing. I think the gtx770 @ $449 is more disappointing though. Should have been a $399 product. A 760ti @ $299, if it's gtx670 speeds, is the only priced-to-sell-fast card out of the 3.

Completely agreed with the 760ti, what's the projected performance? If it is indeed similar to the 670, it will fly off the shelves IMO. Heck, two of those in SLI would perform excellent for a minimal cost. I am a bit disappointed by the 599$ 780 as well (assuming a 20% increase over the GTX 680), but it's better than the 700$ some here predicted, at least. I still see the 780 selling well, I don't think for a second it would have sold well at 700$ (not with 3GB, anyway).

 

[Fx1]

£465 for a 780 GTX? LOL

At least its £400 cheaper than Titan. Still an epic rip off though given 28nm is on its last legs.

 

[wand3r3r]

Completely agreed with the 760ti, what's the projected performance? If it is indeed similar to the 670, it will fly off the shelves IMO. I am a bit disappointed by the 599$ 780 as well (assuming a 20% increase over the GTX 680), but it's better than the 700$ some here predicted, at least.

It's supposedly (760 ti) just a rebadged 670 directly. The 770 is supposedly slightly clocked up 5% core and possibly a large memory oc.

I still think being there were 670's going for $330 at some point it's not bring a ton to the table (granted they were probably hair dryers). Actually if the $599 and $450 rumor are true none of them are really bringing much new performance/$. The $450 770 would trade blows with the GHz, 780 beats (~20%?) it but at $600 isn't that tempting.

 

[wand3r3r]

GTX 780 listed, not pretty.
http://www.shopblt.com/item/evga-03g-p4-2781-kr-geforce-gtx780-pcie-3gb/u086_03gp42781kr.html

$719

Hopefully they're gouging. If not, it's $699 retail.

Edit. They have 80 incoming, presumably for launch.

 

[blackened23]

I wouldn't put any faith in shopblt - I remember seeing GTX 680s there for far inflated prices at the time of launch, at times 600$ and higher. There's just no sane explanation for the 780 costing 750$ unless it has 6GB of VRAM - the VRAM used in the Titan is a major contributor to the cost - therefore, I could see a 6GB GTX 780 being priced at the half way point between a Titan and a 680. Maybe. But definitely not a 3GB GTX 780.

 

[jenneth]

Let's hope that's the case, but as someone else mentioned on OC, they had pre-released GTX 680 at $566:

http://cdn.overclock.net/7/7f/7f894614_189a.jpeg

(now, obviously that screenshot could be a fake, but you never know)

 

[wand3r3r]

edit dupe

^ what she said.

They were actually close to what the cards sold for at the 680 launch.

 

[blackened23]

That is merely one of many GTX 680s which appeared on BLT. I saw several which were substantially higher - You can't ever take pre-release pricing at face value, the MSRP appears to be 599.99 based on the most recent leaks.

 

[wand3r3r]

Yes, but the titan leaks were like $800 until they unleashed the full rapeage.

 

[BallaTheFeared]

Heh -redacted

 

[tviceman]

Its not a paper launch.

Also car makers tell their customers years in advance of new models and they still sell cars.

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/permanently blocked. I have wasted so much time reading your worthless crap.

 

[Rvenger]

My prediction is $700. When the prices get officially released, I will quote this post again and give a valuable statement.

 

[wand3r3r]

My prediction is $700. When the prices get officially released, I will quote this post again and give a valuable statement.

LOL

Hmm, I just noticed the estimated time of arrival.
06-09-2013 ?????

 

[Face2Face]

My prediction is $700. When the prices get officially released, I will quote this post again and give a valuable statement.

If they did release at that price, I bet they would still sell very well.

 

[Rvenger]

If they did release at that price, I bet they would still sell very well.

Of course, if they were even priced at $998 people would be like OMG PhysX and buy 10 of them. Nvidia has us in the palm of their hands.