The deaths of 8 soldiers attributed to POW Bergdahl is false

[Brovane]

Eyewitness accounts of his squadmates, radio communication interception, situation reports of his captivity.

That's how you can call him a deserter because it's a fact.

A indictment is not a conviction.

 

[spidey07]

Just like it's a fact that we've designated the Taliban as a terrorist organization as you claimed earlier? You and facts don't seem to get along too well.

Why do you keep lieing? Try to follow the facts of this treasonous scandal and stop lieing. Your lies and attempted deflection are hereby nullified. Your words mean nothing, hold no value and are NOT to be trusted. You are a fucking LIAR.

The way liberals are desperately trying to spin and deflect this treason means they are scared shitless. That is a good thing. And the more horrible news about Obama's VA scandal is just adding fuel to the fire.


http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/white-house-taliban-terrorist-organization/story?id=23981888

But Tuesday White House National Security Council spokesperson Caitlin Hayden noted that the Taliban was added to the list of Specially Designated Global Terrorists (SDGT) by executive order in July 2002, even if it is not listed as a Foreign Terrorist Organization (FTO) by the State Department. Either designation triggers asset freezes, according to the State Department, though they can differ on other restrictions imposed on the target organization. The Treasury Department told ABC News the Taliban is still on their SDGT list.

 

[thraashman]

Why do you keep lieing? Try to follow the facts of this treasonous scandal and stop lieing. Your lies and attempted deflection are hereby nullified. Your words mean nothing, hold no value and are NOT to be trusted. You are a fucking LIAR.

The way liberals are desperately trying to spin and deflect this treason means they are scared shitless. That is a good thing. And the more horrible news about Obama's VA scandal is just adding fuel to the fire.


http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/white-house-taliban-terrorist-organization/story?id=23981888

Um, clearly you don't seem to grasp what a liar is (or treason or scandal or really a lot of things)... (Also lying is spelled with a Y for reference) If I am incorrect, then I am incorrect. Being wrong and lying are quite different things. I admit I was wrong here. You got me. The score is now like 1:200 for the one time you've proven me incorrect to the hundreds I've proven you incorrect.

 

[MtnMan]

He deserted (left his body armor and weapon and left). He needs to stand court martial.

 

[thraashman]

He deserted (left his body armor and weapon and left). He needs to stand court martial.

He needs to be debriefed, investigated, and the proper action taken based on the findings. That's how we work in the US, innocent until proven guilty.

 

[cabri]

So how can people call him a deserter if he has never been court martialed or convicted of the offense?

Are you a speeder if you have never received a ticket or been in front of a judge for such an offense yet exceed the speed limit such that a ticket would have been issued if observed by LEO?

Same principal applies.
Once does not have to be convicted to have done the crime.

 

[jhbball]

Who cares if he deserted? It's a human response to a pointless war.

 

[schmuckley]

Critics of Obama are twisting the deaths of US soldiers to make his actions look even worse?

Doesn't surprise me.

Provide a copy of a birth certificate; totally fake.
President is shown lifting weights; oh, they are 25 pounders,.. what a weakling.
ACA is increasing in membership; yeah, whatever, I have a friend who knows someone who has a cousin that didn't sign up for it,..
Obama saves a US Soldiers from Taliban captivity; OMG, he saved a traitor!!

I wonder what other shit people will cook up, misrepresent and twist to bash the president?

Hmm..How about releasing 5 of the most notorious Taliban out into the world for 1 low-level grunt,deserter or not.

There's no misrepresentation there.

How many soldiers died in the capture of those 5?

Obama just slapped every member of the Armed Forces and every American in the face.

You people keep trying to spin.It's not going to happen.

I see that Rolling Stone piece is pure spin-trash.

 

[Oldgamer]

He deserted (left his body armor and weapon and left). He needs to stand court martial.

He was given permission by his superior that he could leave and told to not take his equipment with him. In addition it is coming out that he was out taking a leak when captured.

 

[Oldgamer]

Hmm..How about releasing 5 of the most notorious Taliban out into the world for 1 low-level grunt,deserter or not.

There's no misrepresentation there.

How many soldiers died in the capture of those 5?

Obama just slapped every member of the Armed Forces and every American in the face.

You people keep trying to spin.It's not going to happen.

I see that Rolling Stone piece is pure spin-trash.

Those 5 were going to be released anyway, and at least this time we got something for the trade.

 

[Jhhnn]

More Obama can do no right, Must be the repeat a lie enough times strategy.

Well, yeh, of course.

I like Obama's attitude about it- "No Apologies". Too bad he can't just say "Eat shit & die" or "Fuck off, twits".

Whatever happened to "Support the Troops!" anyway?

 

[WelshBloke]

Obama just slapped every member of the Armed Forces and every American in the face.

By negotiating the release of a member of the armed forces?

I know which I would care most about, releasing an enemy that has been wrung dry of any information or securing the release of an American service man.

 

[cabri]

He was given permission by his superior that he could leave and told to not take his equipment with him. In addition it is coming out that he was out taking a leak when captured.

Please provide such linkage to this information?

 

[Jhhnn]

He needs to be debriefed, investigated, and the proper action taken based on the findings. That's how we work in the US, innocent until proven guilty.

Why, you're just a soft headed libruhl.

 

[Victorian Gray]

Why do you continue with your lies? No proof? Multiple accounts from his squad mates, eye witness accounts of him looking for taliban, radio reports, etc. Are you just not following this story at all or what?

Taliban is classified terrorist organization - why do you keep trying to spin your lies?

What I posted is hard fact and cannot be disputed, especially not by your lies.

Once more with gusto

 

[Atreus21]

By negotiating the release of a member of the armed forces?

I know which I would care most about, releasing an enemy that has been wrung dry of any information or securing the release of an American service man.

Not releasing one enemy, but five. In wartime, with a reasonable expectation that they'll return to the battlefield.

I don't mind doing a prisoner swap. But it sure seems like we got screwed.

 

[Victorian Gray]

Hmm..How about releasing 5 of the most notorious Taliban out into the world for 1 low-level grunt,deserter or not.

There's no misrepresentation there.

How many soldiers died in the capture of those 5?

Obama just slapped every member of the Armed Forces and every American in the face.

You people keep trying to spin.It's not going to happen.

I see that Rolling Stone piece is pure spin-trash.

Can you refute what was in the article?

 

[Oldgamer]

Please provide such linkage to this information?

Quote: "In the early-morning hours of June 30th, according to soldiers in the unit, Bowe approached his team leader not long after he got off guard duty and asked his superior a simple question: If I were to leave the base, would it cause problems if I took my sensitive equipment?
Yes, his team leader responded – if you took your rifle and night-vision goggles, that would cause problems.
Bowe returned to his barracks, a roughly built bunker of plywood and sandbags. He gathered up water, a knife, his digital camera and his diary. Then he slipped off the outpost."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/06/02/bowe-bergdahl-captive_n_5431711.html and.....

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/americas-last-prisoner-of-war-20120607?page=4

 

[FerrelGeek]

Who cares if he deserted? It's a human response to a pointless war.

Um, there's this thing you take when you join the service called an oath. Desertion is a violation of that oath. Maybe that has no meaning to you, but to a fair few who put on the uniform, they view that oath as sacred. The oath doesn't cover any exclusions for one thinking that what one is doing is pointless. It's perfectly fine to think the war is pointless, but if you do then don't join; it's not like he was drafted.

Thank you for showing everyone on this board your character.

 

[WelshBloke]

Not releasing one enemy, but five. In wartime, with a reasonable expectation that they'll return to the battlefield.

I don't mind doing a prisoner swap. But it sure seems like we got screwed.

So you're OK with the prisoner exchange thing its just you're unhappy about the exchange rate?

TBH does it really matter if 5 guys return to the battlefield? They are going to be on every watch list around the world so its not as if they are going to be able to do anything special. Its not like the Taliban are short of grunts anyway.

 

[ivwshane]

Hmm..How about releasing 5 of the most notorious Taliban out into the world for 1 low-level grunt,deserter or not.

There's no misrepresentation there.

How many soldiers died in the capture of those 5?

Obama just slapped every member of the Armed Forces and every American in the face.

You people keep trying to spin.It's not going to happen.

I see that Rolling Stone piece is pure spin-trash.

Lol! You should take a gun to your head, the world is too scary for you to live in

http://www.latimes.com/world/afghanistan-pakistan/la-fg-dangerous-taliban-5-20140605-story.html

• Fazl was chief of staff of the Taliban army and is accused of commanding forces that massacred hundreds of civilians in the final years of Taliban rule, before the 2001 U.S.-led invasion. He was arrested in November 2001 after surrendering peacefully to U.S.-allied warlords in northern Afghanistan. “Fazl is the only one of the five to face accusations of explicit war crimes and they are, indeed, extremely serious,” Kate Clark of the Afghanistan Analysts Network, a Kabul-based research group, wrote in a commentary published Wednesday.

 

[ivwshane]

Not releasing one enemy, but five. In wartime, with a reasonable expectation that they'll return to the battlefield.

I don't mind doing a prisoner swap. But it sure seems like we got screwed.

"Reasonable expectation"? According to who?


If you have to make shit up to support your position then your position is shit

 

[blankslate]

After he is done recovering from being in captivity and is medically fit, it's almost a certainty that he will be debriefed by the military and if it is warranted charged with applicable crimes.

As for leaving him in the hands of the Taliban. It wasn't an option. Anyone who is saying we should have left him to rot and perhaps die there is an un-American assole.


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[Oldgamer]

After he is done recovering from being in captivity and is medically fit, it's almost a certainty that he will be debriefed by the military and if it is warranted charged with applicable crimes.

As for leaving him in the hands of the Taliban. It wasn't an option. Anyone who is saying we should have left him to rot and perhaps die there is an un-American assole.


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Totally agreed....

 

[Jhhnn]

After he is done recovering from being in captivity and is medically fit, it's almost a certainty that he will be debriefed by the military and if it is warranted charged with applicable crimes.

As for leaving him in the hands of the Taliban. It wasn't an option. Anyone who is saying we should have left him to rot and perhaps die there is an un-American assole.


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"Shameless partisan asshole" is the term you want. Had Dubya done the same, they be hailing him as the savior of mankind.

They're diseased.