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The Crumbling Pillars of American Racial Orthodoxy

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I am just so sick and tired of your contribution to every single thread about any issue... political or non political being.... It's the liberals fault.... the liberals did it... see here are the liberals involved... look the liberals are trying to take over the world... SHUT THE F UP.... why don't you try talking about something else... something of some kind of value.... I have numerous discussions with conservative people here... and you are the only one who consistently spends all your time bashing liberals... And to add on top... your argument against liberal ideas has boiled down to... "well we see what happens to liberal policy".... I'll step back now... but your bullsh!t has just gotten on my nerves... and this thread just happened to be my bursting point.

-Max

 
I am just so sick and tired of your contribution to every single thread about any issue... political or non political being.... It's the liberals fault.... the liberals did it... see here are the liberals involved... look the liberals are trying to take over the world... SHUT THE F UP.... why don't you try talking about something else... something of some kind of value.... I have numerous discussions with conservative people here... and you are the only one who consistently spends all your time bashing liberals... And to add on top... your argument against liberal ideas has boiled down to... "well we see what happens to liberal policy".... I'll step back now... but your bullsh!t has just gotten on my nerves... and this thread just happened to be my bursting point.


Doboji if I am so in the wrong then argue against what I have said. Sadly you cannot, and resort to name calling.

I simply offer MY OPINION endorsed only by me. Nowhere do I declare my answers to be anymore right than yours. I leave the table open to hear your response.

But you are more concerned with calling me names and telling me to shut up than responding in kind.

Wish it didn't have to be that way but oh well.
 
Amused you are truly amusing. Percentages mean nothing. You harp on those because the truth is whites as a race have killed just as many people as blacks. As for black on white I thought the number would be much higher, its closer than what I thought. But going by the arguements here you think blacks are killing whites 10 to 1 but that is not true. Now numbers are numbers. You won't post hate crime numbers because they are astronomical for whites committing hate crimes. You can lay aside those numbers as being biased, but when a black person mentions how bias racial profiling numbers are, you people say they are to be taken as fact. But now we are not to take as fact hate crime numbers? You would put that forth that idea, because whites are still burning a lot of crosses at an alarming rate, huh? You know why? Because whites are more apt to be racist, thats why they commit more hate crimes.
 
classy,

statistical analysis when comparing two populations is entirely based on percentages and other cumulutive figures.

Take this example

1000 woman
100 men

of the 1000 women, 300 can't read.

of the 100 men, 70 can't read.


Now your logic would imply that women having a higher likelihood of being illiterate because MORE women are illiterate than men... When in reality, 70% of men are illiterate and 30% of women are illiterate, in this given situation.

Just some perspective on your spin of numbers.
 


<< Amused you are truly amusing. Percentages mean nothing. You harp on those because the truth is whites as a race have killed just as many people as blacks. As for black on white I thought the number would be much higher closer than what I thought. But going by the arguements here you think blacks are killing whites 10 to 1 but that is not true. Now numbers are numbers. You won't post those because it shows they astronomical for whites committing hate crimes. You can lay aside those numbers as being biased, but when a black person mentions how bias racial profiling numbers are you people say they are to be taken as fact. But now we are not to take as fact hate crime numbers. You would put that forth that idea, because whites is still burning a lot of crosses at an alarming rate, huh? You know why? Because whites are more apt to be racist, thats why they commit more hate crimes. >>



Thanks for playing, Classy. But if you can't address the issues with even a modicum of objectivity, this debate will go nowhere.

The numbers clearly show blacks are far more likely to kill each other and whites than the other way around. But instead of addressing that fact, you refuse to even admit it and go off on a tangent about hate crimes.

And why the hell are you suddenly bringing hate crimes into this??? Hate crimes do not address the issue of why blacks, per capita are so much more likely to commit murder than whites. You're clearly using hate crimes as a way to dodge the issue at hand.

And your statement that whites are more apt to be racist is the most inane thing you've ever spewed in this debate (besides your liberal use of the racist label). Blacks are just as racist as whites, and express it daily. I've never seen a popular white comedian get on TV and spew hateful jokes about blacks. But you'd be hard pressed to find a black comedian who doesn't spend a significant portion of their act slamming whites.

Classy, open your eyes. Stop blaming everyone else for the problems in the black community. It hasn't changed anything yet, and it wont.
 


<< Rio you and a few others here have made it clear that anything pro-black you have a problem with. And when the thread starts off with a racist thought backed by mentions of well known racists men, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to realize that those who support and agree with his post are taking a racist stand as well. We are all judge by the company we keep and the sides we choose. And rightly so. >>



STILL no examples. I'm not surprised (because there aren't any).

Keep on slinging your thoughtless accusations, classy. As long as you're calling someone a racist, you don't have to provide proof. And everyone has to agree with you, or they're racist too.

It doesn't matter how many years I spent teaching in an all black school, or working for a state funded program to provide teachers for disadvantaged minority school districts. It doesn't matter that you have NO examples of ANYTHING that indicates that I am racist, or that my wife is Latina. I MUST be a racist, because I don't bow down to your viewpoint whenever you start slinging the &quot;R&quot; word. I MUST be racist, because I agree with a point that compares today's racial climate with McCarthyism, and I find myself in agreement with someone you know to be a racist (despite the fact that I have no idea who this person is).

Keep on slinging your slander, classy. After all, you have plenty of proof that I'm a racist. And if not, well, you have to crack a few eggs to make an omelette, right? What's a few people's reputations where something as big as RACISM is involved?
 


<< [And when the thread starts off with a racist thought... >>



I read the initial post, and do not see what you are referring to. 😕 Looks more like the fear of discussion on a legitimate issue, again. Scream racism, people will back off out of fear of being labeled &quot;racist,&quot; then you need not back things up with facts and figures.
 


<< Scream racism, people will back off out of fear of being labeled &quot;racist,&quot; >>



WTF are you talking about? No one cares if they're being labeled a racist except those in politics because it can slander their 'image'. Well image is nothing [and thirst is everything] when it comes to a discussion between ordinary people so go ahead call me a racist i could care less, i'm entitled to my opinions.
 
I always wondered, people say how violent the black culture is. Then how come its all the white kids killing each other in school?

It happens all the time in the ghetto, and in inner city schools, you just don't hear about it on TV.
 


<< You won't post hate crime numbers because they are astronomical for whites committing hate crimes. >>



The Color of Crime

Here you go classy. I have courteously provided you with a link to a report on &quot;hate&quot; crime in America. EDIT -- The numbers all come from Federal agencies, not just the DOJ. In it you can find:

-There is more black-on-white than black-on-black crime.
-Blacks are statistically 50 times more likely to attack whites than vice versa.
-Blacks are twice as likely as whites to commit hate crimes.
-Blacks are as much more dangerous than whites as men are more dangerous than women.

--Maetryx 😎
 


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<< Scream racism, people will back off out of fear of being labeled &quot;racist,&quot; >>



WTF are you talking about? No one cares if they're being labeled a racist except those in politics because it can slander their 'image'. Well image is nothing [and thirst is everything] when it comes to a discussion between ordinary people so go ahead call me a racist i could care less, i'm entitled to my opinions. >>



I was talking about the typical Liberal way of dealing with racial issues. Rather than discuss them, they prefer name-calling and slander. Being labeled a &quot;racist&quot; can hurt people in several walks of life. Try getting a job in the education system when you are labeled, truthfully or not, as a racist. Any government job, not just political ones, as well.
 
forget it, i deleted this original post because i think you're all idiots wasting your time, frustrating yourself and others on trying to &quot;enlighten&quot; one another with your very opiniated comments &amp; views with the hope that you'll actually change one's mind by providing factual information or lack of thereof. This thread is hopeless and should be locked because it is going no where. :disgust:
 


<<

<< You won't post hate crime numbers because they are astronomical for whites committing hate crimes. >>



The Color of Crime

Here you go classy. I have courteously provided you with a link to a report on &quot;hate&quot; crime in America. EDIT -- The numbers all come from Federal agencies, not just the DOJ. In it you can find:

-There is more black-on-white than black-on-black crime.
-Blacks are statistically 50 times more likely to attack whites than vice versa.
-Blacks are twice as likely as whites to commit hate crimes.
-Blacks are as much more dangerous than whites as men are more dangerous than women.

--Maetryx 😎 >>



Uh I don't know who wrote that report but it is clearly wrong as far as hate crimes is concerned. I am going to post the report from the FBI along with the numbers. Whites are clear predators when it comes to hate crimes son. Whoever wrote that surely didn't get the real numbers from the FBI.
 
classy,

Hate to break this to you, but the FBI was cited several times in that pdf. I guess you did not take the time to read the references.
 
Here's the link to the FBI hate crime publication:

link

It needs to be taken with a grain of salt though, as black on white crime is hardly ever reported as a &quot;hate crime,&quot; while most white on black crime is. No one is as sensitive to black on white crime as they are to white on black crime. Understandable given our history, and political climate.

By race, 68% of offenders were white, 16% black. BUT, the FBI even adds it's own warning saying motivation is subjective, and it is extemely difficult to know if bias was in whole, or in part the motivation for the crime.

No one here can deny that we are hundreds of times more sensitive to white on black hate crime than we are to black on white hate crime. Also, no one can truely judge the motivation of most criminals.

At any rate, the fact that blacks commit crimes against whites far more per captita, and in total numbers than whites against blacks, I'd say the hate crime issue is STILL a dodge. It does not explain, or excuse the rate of crime in the black community.
 
Here's an exerpt from the real report from the FBI goverment website.

In 1999, a total of 7,271 known offenders
were associated with 59 percent of the 7,876
reported by law enforcement. By offender?s
race, 68 percent were white, 16 percent were black,
4 percent were multiracial, 2 percent were Asian/
Pacific Islander, 1 percent were American Indian/
Alaskan Native, and 9 percent were unknown. (See
Table 11.)
Page 8 of the report

Here's the real info from page 14 of the report.

There were 9,301 racial incidents. 4,092 were committed by whites. Only 947 were committed by blacks. Lets look into these numbers shall we. Of the 4,092, 2,497 were committed based on race. Of those 2,497, 2030 were committed against blacks by whites. For blacks of the 947 committed, 653 were based on race. Of those 653, 524 were against whites. But there is something else in the report. Of the 947 incidents they were all single bias incidents. Of whites 4,092, 4 of the incidents involved an incident where more than one person was assaulted. Whites also have drastic numbers of racial attacks based on Religion, sexual orientation, and Ethnicity.
Whites have even committed hate crimes against 11 disabled people. WTF?

Shall we look into what some of these numbers mean. Lets shall we. 🙂
Page 15 of the report.

Whites ahve committed hate crimes against 3,481 people. Blacks 825 people. Whites commmitted 593 offenses against property. Blacks only 115.

Now to the good stuff 🙂

The breakdown.

Murder or manslaughter: Whites 10 Blacks 5
Rape: Whites 3 Blacks 2
Aggravated assault: Whites 776 Blacks 212
Simple assault: Whites 1,110 Blacks 361
Intimadation: Whites 1,575 Blacks 243

Property crimes
Robbery: Whites 74 Blacks 39
Burglary: Whites 24 Blacks 3
Larceny : Whites 22 Blacks 8
Motor theft: Whites 1 Blacks 3 (hey we need our wheels 🙂)
Arson: Whites 11 Blacks 0
Vandalism: Whites 448 Blacks 60

Here is the report.

What does this mean? Whites are still the most hateful and racist group in America. When crimes are committed based on race, whites are far more drasticaly violent than blacks. Whites are more hateful against people for damn near anything actually. In respect to racist behavior contrasted between whites and blacks;
Whites are twice as likely to commit murder
3 times more likely to commit aggravated assault
4 times more likely to commit assault
7 itmes more likely to use racial intimidation
Rape just as many people as blacks
Twice more likely to commit robbery
8 more times likely to commit burglary
3 times more likely to commit larceny
7 times more likely to commit vandalism
and if all else fails, they are 11 times more likely to burn the place to the ground.

These numbers are from the FBI. The real data. Looks like whites are far more racists and biased than blacks. White hatred makes black hatred look like a Sunday School picnic. Maybe we need to profile whites more. 🙂 11 assaults against disabled people? What's that all about?
 
I'm still waiting for ONE example of my supposed hatred toward black people. After calling you on it over and over, you just ignore it.

classy, you don't have to kiss and make up. I'll even be the first to apologize - for making harsh personal attacks on you because of who I assumed you were and what I assumed your background was.

All I ask is that you take the time to read my comments in this thread again, and either give some examples of what you accused me of (in this thread or in any thread here), or stand up and admit that your accusation was unfair and unfounded.

Can you do that?
 


<< Amuse do you say take the numbers with a grain a salt when it comes to racial profiling? Doubt it. >>



Classy, so in today's racially charged climate, you'd take something as obviously subjective as reported hate crime statistics at face value?

Please, Classy, show me you have the capability to understand how lopsided reporting of these crimes could be, and are able to question them rather than simply accept them automatically.

Even the FBI's report cautions that hate crimes are subjective, and not considered an accurate representation of actual hate crimes committed, but only those identified as such by various law enforcement agencies.

Most law enforcement agencies consider a hate crime one against a recognized minority. And are quite biased in reporting them as such. To deny this is to deny the reality of politics today.

Meanwhile, your comments still deny the reality that 16.8 per 100,000 blacks committed murder in 1999, compared to 2.5 whites.

Throwing hate crimes into the mix is simply your way of dodging this issue. It's a pathetic attempt at that.
 
you guys are taking this too far... mods just lock this thread its not going anywhere and is getting stupider and more similar by the minute...
this thread turned into bullsh!t with the same couple of people just restating the same garbage and flaming each other...


fools
 
Classy, for Christ's sake stop embarassing yourself. You have absolutely no mathematical aptitude whatsoever. You have not one clue that the numbers you posted show a disproportionate black crime problem. Presumably if you understood that those raw numbers destroyed your own argument, you wouldn't have posted them and danced around making an ass of yourself.

There is approximately five times as many white people as there are black people in this country. Any result that you post that does not show at least five times as many white perpetrators as black perpetrators supports the notion that blacks are worse criminals than whites (on average).

Your insistence on raw numbers is so unbelievably ignorant that I'm having trouble believing that your position is sincere and not some put on. I can understand that a person would be skeptial of statistics, but elementary mathematics like per cents or per capitas aren't actually beyond your understanding, are they? You probably don't trust me, but trust me, those numbers don't support your position.



 
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