The Crumbling Pillars of American Racial Orthodoxy

[Linflas]

lucidguy


<< Translation: Blacks are dumb. >>





<< Chris Rock would say: &quot;****** are dumb. >>





<< Compared to this, scientifically pointing out that blacks are on average the dumbest race living in America, is not a racist remark. It is the truth. It may be an unpleasant truth if you happen to be black, but science does not aim to please minorities, it aims to pursue the truth. >>





<< EDIT: In order to explain the gay comment, I should point out that the homosexual sensibility tends towards having pleasant &amp; pleasurable emotional experiences rather than getting practical, useful results. Hence the extensive preference of gay men for the arts and the theater, which afford pleasant &amp; pleasurable emotional experiences but are by and large useless wastes of time >>





<< Then I would study the rest of the genes to determine which one of them, or which group amongst them, leads to black skin color and black bodily characteristics such as thicker lips, thicker vocal cords, bigger feet, and lower IQ. >>





<< That was a long sentence. You might have to read it twice. >>



If I didn't know better I would think this drivel was taken from an Aryan Nations recruiting pamphlet. Then again I know there is more to a human being than his score on an IQ test.

 

[n0b7e]

Perhaps this thread should be renamed to &quot;Flame Classy Flame&quot; because ever since yesterday morning [1am Est], the only b.s. i see is people flaming Classy for saying what he believes. I got (e)mail bombed because of my foolish decision to subscribe to this thread with over 50 emails stating this post has been replied too. And you know what, i've just got done reading all the new posts, and every post is the same damn garbage. Each of you are restating the other one's opinions, quotes, and statistics and insulting classy for something he has the right to say in the first place.

Like i said before, EVERYONE is a RACIST, and if you think you're not one of them, just wait till a 'negro' beats the sh!t out of you just for being in the wrong place at the wrong time.

P.S. I've never been beaten up by a black person, but similar situations have occured as a result of me just being in the wrong place [ghetto]

 

[Amused]

<< Amused dude you never heard me say its all the white man's fault. Cause it ain't. You have never heard me say that some of the cultural stuff doesn't have a hand in it? Cause it does. But they are minor. Did you see what GF posted?

Well if its the black people that are having trouble learning, then how come I live in an all white area, and the children here are testing at some of the lowest levels in NY state. Education is determined by environment, not color. And unfortunately, alot of blacks in America live in poverty, compared to whites. And when you are concerned about what you are gonna eat, or can't sleep because your electric is shut off and its too cold in your house, your least concern will be with homework.

And btw, I have thicker lips, does that mean my iq is low?

Sound similar to what I posted earlier

I can say this very easily because it is the most major factor. When you compare Basic Skills tests that are done in schools all across the country, it is always the schools from poor neighborhoods that do worse. Kids from the same schools regardless of color or race perfrom about the same on these tests. Another thing here in NJ every year they do a grading of the schools based on how well the students do from that particular school on SAT tests. Guess what? Same trend applies. Students from good schools in good neighborhoods do better than students from poor schools in poor neighborhoods. As a matter of fact it was a few from predominately white schools who are on the poor side who performed just as bad. So obviously the culture theory doesn't hold water there either.

You just want to say whites have none of the blame. But you do. We all share some responsibility in the success and failure of every race in this country. And you keep bringing up gang culture, but since someone else mentioned it, why is most of all the mass killings are by whites? Serial killers, white? Mass suicides, whites? You people will kill yourself in a mnute, but yet we're the dumb ones. Well at least we aren't dumb enough to kill ourselves everytime something goes wrong. lol Sounds like we may be pretty smart in a lot of areas actually. >>



Well, at least I got you to say &quot;some.&quot;

Serial killers aren't glorified in popular white culture. We have them in horror movies, but that's about it. They are not glorified in our music. Gang killers are glorified in popular black music.

Meanwhile, pointing to the relatively rare serial killer, and saying &quot;SEE???&quot; (as if that means something) does nothing to diminish the fact that blacks are killing each other at many times the rate that whites kill each other, or blacks.

I've already posted the murder statistics. They speak for themselves. 12% of the population committing 35% of the murders is alarming, and has NOTHING to do with racism.

 

[Yeeny]

What about Marilyn Manson promoting the things he did in his music? And other people like Eminem and Kid Rock, singing about what they do? White kids love them, they are huge in the industry. Its the same in every culture, kids like what is shocking to their parents. It does not mean they would ever behave that way.

 

[Amused]

<< What about Marilyn Manson promoting the things he did in his music? And other people like Eminem and Kid Rock, singing about what they do? White kids love them, they are huge in the industry. Its the same in every culture, kids like what is shocking to their parents. It does not mean they would ever behave that way. >>



MM is the exception, not the rule. And while his music was disturbing, it does not glorify abuse, murder, and violence. Eminem is just copying Black culture, and to a degree, so is Kid Rock. Yes, SOME white kids are getting into this stuff, and the violence comes right along with it. There are even some all white gangs who run around thinking they're the &quot;crips&quot; or &quot;bloods&quot; now.

It doesn't change the fact that the culture is dangerous, and is causing real harm to the black community.

 

[Capn]

&quot;Each of you are restating the other one's opinions, quotes, and statistics and insulting classy for something he has the right to say in the first place.&quot;

This is a *discussion* forum you know, not someone's soapbox where they can say whatever they want and not expect a response. Even though he doesn't really have the right to say anything here (really a priviledge granted by anandtech), everyone else has their own right too. Right to free speech doesn't mean right to not have dissenting opinions.

 

[classy]

Rio if I pulled up many of your other posts, dude you always got some complaint with black folk. So man please don't be spouting that what you give of yourself nonsense. Because if you are doing those things, you are coming inhere really showing your true face. So in essence you are a fraud. I find it difficult to believe that after seeing some of things you have posted and agreed with that you in your spare time help minorities. And yes I am 100% black man.

Amused
I am glad you posted your numbers. But why is whites murder numbers almost as high as blacks. Most black murders are from gang related killings. Now that is a cultural problem. I bet more than half of those are related to some type of drug or gang related war. But why are whites murder numbers so high? They aren't often in gangs? Many are drug users, but not pushers on the street corners like blacks? Could it be that whites are more prone to random violent acts of murder than blacks? Why are they killing so much? I admit blacks are killing their own. Well, who are the whites killing?

 

[Amused]

<< Amused
I am glad you posted your numbers. But why is whites murder numbers almost as high as blacks. Most black murders are from gang related killings. Now that is a cultural problem. I bet more than half of those are related to some type of drug or gang related war. But why are whites murder numbers so high? They aren't often in gangs? Many are drug users, but not pushers on the street corners like blacks? Could it be that whites are more prone to random violent acts of murder than blacks? Why are they killing so much? I admit blacks are killing their own. Well, who are the whites killing? >>



Classy. Those are total numbers. If blacks are 12% of the population, yet are committing more murders than whites, who are 75% of the population, what does that tell you? Compared to blacks, the number of white offenders is remarkably low, when you consider the difference in population numbers among the two communities.

The total for white (all ages) is 4684. For blacks, it's 5038. Other: 307 Unknown: 4083 (Anyone else find that alarming??? 4083 unsolved murders???)

The FBI does not have a breakdown on circumstances by race. It has one by sex, by weapon, and by relationship, but not by race. So I can't give you an answer on that. But I can tell you that I've read somewhere before that white on white murders are most often committed against a family member, or acquaintance, and that black on black murder is most often committed against an acquaintance or stranger. I'll have to look it up and get back to you. I feel kinda stupid posting this without reference, but I'd hope that you'd trust my memory

 

[Maetryx]

Maetryx here,

It's probably unavoidable that this thread has retreated into a discussion of specific racial issues, but in my original post I was trying to talk about the societal limitations on racial discussions and some of the flawed foundations that have caused those limitations. Predictably, the racial McCarthyism emerged almost immediately.

Classy, you've done yourself a favor by re-entering this thread today with some longer, more articulate arguments. BUT, even if you were to prove that Jared Taylor is a racist, it would only lend support to my original arguments. Because what you're trying to do is make me guilty by association. If I'm a racist, then it's all over, right? If you can destroy my character then you won't have to discuss racial McCarthyism, the (false) assumption of pervasive white bias, radical egalitarianism, and the merits of diversity.

But when Taylor or anyone else points out that the emperor has no clothes (i.e. diversity IS NOT strength and seems to be responsible for a lot of problems in reality) then there follows a lightning backlash and a frantic effort to label the person a racist. Presumably if the person is labeled a racist then we can safely ignore the emperor's nudity.

In as much as my link to Taylor's article has been a target for your attacks, I regret that I included it in my post. As far as I'm concerned, the post is strong on its face and the link is just an article about the Orwellian double-speak I to which I refered. The idea that diversity is in and of itself a noble goal is so entrenched, that the U.S. Supreme Court has, at times, used the idea as the basis for allowing affirmative action in university admissions (there is an article today that indicates the Supreme Court is reversing that). Yet it is an absolutely unproven notion. It is an after-thought, a justification for a result already obtained.

 

[classy]

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<< Amused
I am glad you posted your numbers. But why is whites murder numbers almost as high as blacks. Most black murders are from gang related killings. Now that is a cultural problem. I bet more than half of those are related to some type of drug or gang related war. But why are whites murder numbers so high? They aren't often in gangs? Many are drug users, but not pushers on the street corners like blacks? Could it be that whites are more prone to random violent acts of murder than blacks? Why are they killing so much? I admit blacks are killing their own. Well, who are the whites killing? >>



Classy. Those are total numbers. If blacks are 12% of the population, yet are committing more murders than whites, who are 75% of the population, what does that tell you? Compared to blacks, the number of white offenders is remarkably low, when you consider the difference in population numbers among the two communities.

The total for white (all ages) is 4684. For blacks, it's 5038. Other: 307 Unknown: 4083 (Anyone else find that alarming??? 4083 unsolved murders???)

The FBI does not have a breakdown on circumstances by race. It has one by sex, by weapon, and by relationship, but not by race. So I can't give you an answer on that. But I can tell you that I've read somewhere before that white on white murders are most often committed against a family member, or acquaintance, and that black on black murder is most often committed against an acquaintance or stranger. I'll have to look it up and get back to you. I feel kinda stupid posting this without reference, but I'd hope that you'd trust my memory >>



You side stepped the issue but thats understandable. All the percentage numbers mean nothing really. Blacks have killed more people than whites, but not by much. Blacks are killing blacks. No one can dispute that. As matter of fact I believe it was like almost 75% of the crimes committed by blacks were against other blacks. But who are whites killing then? If its so bad for us and we're keeping it in house, who the hell are whites killing? Are they killing others? Seems like it. Or are they killing their own just like blacks? They are damn sure killing someone because they have committed just as many murders as blacks. You look up those numbers okay and get back to me. Also look up the hate crimes as well. Trust me you are leading there by huge freaking margin.

 

[Doboji]

Again I put forth the argument that the murder numbers you are reporting would make 10x more sense if you based it on household income and not racial identity.

-Max

 

[Rio Rebel]

<< Rio if I pulled up many of your other posts, dude you always got some complaint with black folk >>



DO IT.

Please do it. Because you are a liar and a slanderer.

If you accidentally have me confused with someone else, I will accept your apology and go on. But please, please don't keep spreading this crap about someone if you can't back it up.

Post it, or apologize. You owe me that much.

 

[vi edit]

<< What about Marilyn Manson promoting the things he did in his music? And other people like Eminem and Kid Rock, singing about what they do? White kids love them, they are huge in the industry. Its the same in every culture, kids like what is shocking to their parents. It does not mean they would ever behave that way. >>



Not to sway the topic at hand here, but GF, can you please pull up some specific examples from Kid Rock and Marilyn Manson lyrics that directly relate to violence or violent behavior?

I won't ask the same for eminem simply because the music that he produces fits in with the rap genre and is in no way aimed at the same sort of musical tastes as Marilyn Manson.

 

[67gt500]

Classy of course you ignore the fact I layed out that 70% of black children are born out of wedlock.

Poverty has always existed and will never go away so the question is what keeps certain people down and allows certain people to achieve?

Books have been written on this subject classy.. there is a clear distinction between willingness to succeed and wanting to have it handed to you.

Your wish to blame it on capitalism isn't going to fly with logical people in the room. Point in fact this entire country once consisted of a majority living in poverty. Their hard work made this country what it is today.

Your arguments fall flat when thousands of minority and less fortunate individuals make something of their lives every single day.. and then go to write books about it.

I assume your next quest will be to have these books banned on the grounds that they are racist and deny your self perpetuated truth to be heard.

 

[Doboji]

yo 67troll.... read my post below... to blame all the problems occuring in the black communitee on people being black and the black culture is the most moronic thing I've ever seen in my entire life...

You are simplifying issues to the point of idiocracy.

If what you say is true... then your culture is far inferior to mine... (Jewish)

-Max

 

[Yeeny]

<<

<< What about Marilyn Manson promoting the things he did in his music? And other people like Eminem and Kid Rock, singing about what they do? White kids love them, they are huge in the industry. Its the same in every culture, kids like what is shocking to their parents. It does not mean they would ever behave that way. >>



Not to sway the topic at hand here, but GF, can you please pull up some specific examples from Kid Rock and Marilyn Manson lyrics that directly relate to violence or violent behavior?

I won't ask the same for eminem simply because the music that he produces fits in with the rap genre and is in no way aimed at the same sort of musical tastes as Marilyn Manson. >>



I never said he promoted violence. My point is not to bash any musicians, instead I am just trying to say that black musicians are not the only ones that send a sometimes less than wholesome message to kids, so its unfair to generalize.

 

[67gt500]

yo 67troll.... read my post below... to blame all the problems occuring in the black communitee on people being black and the black culture is the most moronic thing I've ever seen in my entire life...

You are simplifying issues to the point of idiocracy.

If what you say is true... then your culture is far inferior to mine... (Jewish)

-Max

........... when did I say any of this? Or is this classy's second nickname because I surely wasn't talking to you

 

[classy]

<< Classy of course you ignore the fact I layed out that 70% of black children are born out of wedlock.

Poverty has always existed and will never go away so the question is what keeps certain people down and allows certain people to achieve?

Books have been written on this subject classy.. there is a clear distinction between willingness to succeed and wanting to have it handed to you.

Your wish to blame it on capitalism isn't going to fly with logical people in the room. Point in fact this entire country once consisted of a majority living in poverty. Their hard work made this country what it is today.

Your arguments fall flat when thousands of minority and less fortunate individuals make something of their lives every single day.. and then go to write books about it.

I assume your next quest will be to have these books banned on the grounds that they are racist and deny your self perpetuated truth to be heard. >>


67gt500

Dude do you read my posts? I addressed that genius. Here was my response:

Here in america we blame it on the fact that 70% of black children are born out of wedlock.

That is a very disturbing number but yet true and misleading at the same time. That 70% figure is from 1997, but it is decreasing. Not because blacks are marrying more, but having less babies. That number is also quite high for whites as well. Its almost 30%. But when you take in account that blacks are only 12% of the population and whites 40% of the population, whites on the whole, the real number, have just as many babies out of wedlock as blacks. The number is also grossly inflated in general for all races because the simple fact is people just don't get married anymore. Marriage as a whole has decreased for all races dramtically. People just shack up now. That number also is inflated due to the high divorce rate. I know of a couple of girls right now who are pregnant by their husbands and are in the process of being divorced. They're white too. But when those kids are born their mothers will be legally single.

 

[Rio Rebel]

Classy, are you going to back up your slander about me?

Or are you content to drop the racism bomb and then move on, without having to justify yourself?

Sounds eerily like McCarthyism, doesn't it? Sounds EXACTLY like the original point of this thread, doesn't it?

Looks like his point was proven in the clearest way possible.

 

[Doboji]

I'm responding to the overall opposition in this thread...as with almost any discussion there forms two sides... I didnt take the time to read the whole thread... but I saw you falling into one particular side...

Having read through all your posts in particular.. I now realize that you're still trolling the liberals are destroying the world theory. MORON...

-Max

 

[67gt500]

That is a very disturbing number but yet true and misleading at the same time. That 70% figure is from 1997, but it is decreasing. Not because blacks are marrying more, but having less babies. That number is also quite high for whites as well. Its almost 30%. But when you take in account that blacks are only 12% of the population and whites 40% of the population, whites on the whole, the real number, have just as many babies out of wedlock as blacks. The number is also grossly inflated in general for all races because the simple fact is people just don't get married anymore. Marriage as a whole has decreased for all races dramtically. People just shack up now. That number also is inflated due to the high divorce rate. I know of a couple of girls right now who are pregnant by their husbands and are in the process of being divorced. They're white too. But when those kids are born their mothers will be legally single.

Your right, I must have missed it while scrolling down.

That is spin at it's finest. This isn't about how many children are born out of wedlock classy, and you know this. When you compare two distinct races we always analyze percentages. Because it is common knowledge that blacks make up a smaller percentage of the US than the majority race does... and I even hate saying majority race because this is such a diverse country that there really is no majority race.

Anyway, right now roughly 70% of black children are born out of wedlock. This is definitely NOT HELPING the matter.

Now I assume the next thing you will say is, well what if the percentage of black children born out of wedlock equaled the number of white children born out of wedlock.. WELL IT CERTAINLY WOULD BE NICE TO SEE THIS NOW WOULDN'T IT? Until that happens it is fair to say that we don't know what the statistics would look like. Clearly there is a trend in this country where children raised in healthy households have a far greater chance to succeed than those who do not. Now this is nothing against single parent. I was raised by a single parent and I came out just fine (some here will probably refute that but they are wasting their time if they think that name calling is going to make me go away or think their way).

And I don't think that throwing money at a problem solves anything. Remember when you were growing up? Maybe you mowed the lawn in the summer for spare cash? Now which were you more inclined to spend... the money you made working your butt off in the hot summer or that allowance your parents just handed to you?

You want to make this an economic issue, well nobody in their right mind would dismiss that entirely. Surely environment (note, environment, not just economical status) plays a role in the upbringing of a child. Is your solution to just redistribute income and hope everything works out?

I'm not convinced that would ever work. History tells us otherwise... as does human nature.

 

[67gt500]

I'm responding to the overall opposition in this thread...

opposition to what?


and name calling, troll, moron, idiot, etc. really adds to the conversation. thank you for your contribution.

 

[Amused]

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<< Amused
I am glad you posted your numbers. But why is whites murder numbers almost as high as blacks. Most black murders are from gang related killings. Now that is a cultural problem. I bet more than half of those are related to some type of drug or gang related war. But why are whites murder numbers so high? They aren't often in gangs? Many are drug users, but not pushers on the street corners like blacks? Could it be that whites are more prone to random violent acts of murder than blacks? Why are they killing so much? I admit blacks are killing their own. Well, who are the whites killing? >>



Classy. Those are total numbers. If blacks are 12% of the population, yet are committing more murders than whites, who are 75% of the population, what does that tell you? Compared to blacks, the number of white offenders is remarkably low, when you consider the difference in population numbers among the two communities.

The total for white (all ages) is 4684. For blacks, it's 5038. Other: 307 Unknown: 4083 (Anyone else find that alarming??? 4083 unsolved murders???)

The FBI does not have a breakdown on circumstances by race. It has one by sex, by weapon, and by relationship, but not by race. So I can't give you an answer on that. But I can tell you that I've read somewhere before that white on white murders are most often committed against a family member, or acquaintance, and that black on black murder is most often committed against an acquaintance or stranger. I'll have to look it up and get back to you. I feel kinda stupid posting this without reference, but I'd hope that you'd trust my memory >>



You side stepped the issue but thats understandable. All the percentage numbers mean nothing really. Blacks have killed more people than whites, but not by much. Blacks are killing blacks. No one can dispute that. As matter of fact I believe it was like almost 75% of the crimes committed by blacks were against other blacks. But who are whites killing then? If its so bad for us and we're keeping it in house, who the hell are whites killing? Are they killing others? Seems like it. Or are they killing their own just like blacks? They are damn sure killing someone because they have committed just as many murders as blacks. You look up those numbers okay and get back to me. Also look up the hate crimes as well. Trust me you are leading there by huge freaking margin. >>



There are 250 odd million people in the US. 12% or 30 million of those are black. 75% or 187 million are are white.

Whites committed 4684 murders in 1999. Black, 5038.

This means, per 100,000 blacks, 16.8 committed murder. Per 100,000 whites 2.5 committed murder. Whites are not killing as often, nor as many as blacks are. Simply looking at the numbers and saying they're the same is simplistic, and wrong. They are far from the same.

As for white on black, and black on white crimes, they aren't that different. However, a black man was more likely to kill a white man than a white man was to kill a black man.

Among white murder victims in 1999, 2779 of their killers were white, and 452 were black. Other: 51 Unknown: 54

Among black murder victims in 1999, 154 of their killers were white, and 2674 were black. Other: 10 Unknown:31
(Single victim, single offender crimes only. See source in above post.)

As for hate crimes, while nearly every white on black crime is considered a hate crime, hardly any black on white crimes are. A double standard to be sure. At any rate, in my opinion all crimes are hate crimes.

 

[classy]

<< Classy, are you going to back up your slander about me?

Or are you content to drop the racism bomb and then move on, without having to justify yourself?

Sounds eerily like McCarthyism, doesn't it? Sounds EXACTLY like the original point of this thread, doesn't it?

Looks like his point was proven in the clearest way possible. >>



Rio you and a few others here have made it clear that anything pro-black you have a problem with. And when the thread starts off with a racist thought backed by mentions of well known racists men, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to realize that those who support and agree with his post are taking a racist stand as well. We are all judge by the company we keep and the sides we choose. And rightly so.

 

[67gt500]

Rio you and a few others here have made it clear that anything pro-black you have a problem with. And when the thread starts off with a racist thought backed by mentions of well known racists men, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to realize that those who support and agree with his post are taking a racist stand as well. We are all judge by the company we keep and the sides we choose. And rightly so.

... and the black people who agree with us are...? delusional? ... don't know what they are talking about? Men like C. Thomas who have more knowledge of the world than you could ever dream of having simply don't know what they are talking about?

that's fine. i understand.