The Book of Mormon is FICTION!

[compuwiz1]

I don't know if it's fiction, but a Mormon guy was trying to explain the discovery of some plates, which were written with new scripture of something. This is supposedly the basis of the religion, which is relatively new. Ok, well I asked, aren't those stored somewhere as proof? He said they were sealed up in heaven. Strange...

 

[NuclearNed]

The site below is a good start, but the web site actually doesn't seem to have any articles. Unfortunately you might have to go to a library to find back issues of this magazine. It is more or less the definitive source for proving that the events of the Bible are factual (again, whether or not you believe that God was involved is up to you, but it can be proven that the Bible is highly accurate when it comes to historical events).

Biblical Archaeological Review

If I can think of others, I'll post them. Although I'm not sure it will really matter because everyone will instantly criticize them as "biased".

 

[NuclearNed]

Originally posted by: Ronin
I don't, but it's apparent that your 'well respected organizations' are slightly biased, and have the innate ability to turn their head away from fact.

Look up information on the Dead Sea Scrolls, for one.

The Dead Sea Scrolls are not the Bible. They are copies of manuscripts, some of which are in the Bible. What is your point?

And when you posted this message, I had not yet posted links for any "well respected organizations", yet you had already dismissed them as biased. Since you already have that mindset, I can guarantee that there is nothing I can post that will budge your opinion. Enjoy your ignorance.

 

[FoBoT]

(many/most) "born again" christians hate mormons and persecute them at every turn. they have for 180 years. they used to shoot them. they probably want to shoot them today

 

[Ronin]

Originally posted by: NuclearNed

Originally posted by: Ronin
I don't, but it's apparent that your 'well respected organizations' are slightly biased, and have the innate ability to turn their head away from fact.

Look up information on the Dead Sea Scrolls, for one.

The Dead Sea Scrolls are not the Bible. They are copies of manuscripts, some of which are in the Bible. What is your point?

And when you posted this message, I had not yet posted links for any "well respected organizations", yet you had already dismissed them as biased. Since you already have that mindset, I can guarantee that there is nothing I can post that will budge your opinion. Enjoy your ignorance.

Seems you're more prone to, since you obviously live in it. The inability to have an open mind is the truest form of ignorance. I've done my research, and I know more than you ever wish to know about the religion (and with good reason). I've got more than enough personal knowledge to be comfortable in the fact that the Book of Mormom is a history book, just like the Bible is.

I'll just quietly smile at you and revel.

 

[DrPizza]

1. Are the mormons *allowed* to get pissed at something like that? Or do they have to look at it and say "we have to save that man!"
2. If you're going to piss off a large group of people... choose the group least likely to get even.

 

[SketchMaster]

Originally posted by: DrPizza
1. Are the mormons *allowed* to get pissed at something like that? Or do they have to look at it and say "we have to save that man!"
2. If you're going to piss off a large group of people... choose the group least likely to get even.

Na, We would pretty much laugh it off. If some one was feeling brave they would go and talk to the guy just to find out why he was doing that. It's not something to get all rilled up about.

 

[hevnsnt]

What is funny, is I posted this on Just how funny it is that pEople can get so upset about someone elses religion.. And the threaDwent along with It!

 

[dugweb]

Originally posted by: Spike

Originally posted by: dugweb
this thread's spewing of opionion and speculation has gone out of control.

Very little truth, on either side of the argument can be found in here.

The same can be said of your post

:Q

 

[sixone]

Originally posted by: hevnsnt
What is funny, is I posted this on Just how funny it is that pEople can get so upset about someone elses religion.. And the threaDwent along with It!

LOL

 

[Drizzy]

The problem with even discussing religion is that to one group it is a faith based subject and to another group it is fact based. So, while one says "give me proof" the other one says "you need to have faith". I find people rarely will try to see the other side and so it just goes back and forth...

 

Originally posted by: NuclearNed
The site below is a good start, but the web site actually doesn't seem to have any articles. Unfortunately you might have to go to a library to find back issues of this magazine. It is more or less the definitive source for proving that the events of the Bible are factual (again, whether or not you believe that God was involved is up to you, but it can be proven that the Bible is highly accurate when it comes to historical events).

Biblical Archaeological Review

If I can think of others, I'll post them. Although I'm not sure it will really matter because everyone will instantly criticize them as "biased".

I'd like to see more than just a link to a top level site that you have to subscribe to. I thought you did lots of research and could link to numerous, well respected organizations to back your opinion. Please, back your opinion.

I'm not trying to be confrontational, but I'd like more information and less hot air.

 

[NuclearNed]

Originally posted by: SampSon

Originally posted by: NuclearNed
The site below is a good start, but the web site actually doesn't seem to have any articles. Unfortunately you might have to go to a library to find back issues of this magazine. It is more or less the definitive source for proving that the events of the Bible are factual (again, whether or not you believe that God was involved is up to you, but it can be proven that the Bible is highly accurate when it comes to historical events).

Biblical Archaeological Review

If I can think of others, I'll post them. Although I'm not sure it will really matter because everyone will instantly criticize them as "biased".

I'd like to see more than just a link to a top level site that you have to subscribe to. I thought you did lots of research and could link to numerous, well respected organizations to back your opinion. Please, back your opinion.

I'm not trying to be confrontational, but I'd like more information and less hot air.

I have done lots of research and reading - lots of it, in fact. My mistake is that I assumed that BAR would have their back issues posted online before I replied. I assumed incorrectly. I'm sorry for the inconvenience, and if I can come up with something better I'll be glad to link it.

 

[bobbybe01]

Originally posted by: DrPizza
1. Are the mormons *allowed* to get pissed at something like that? Or do they have to look at it and say "we have to save that man!"
2. If you're going to piss off a large group of people... choose the group least likely to get even.

1. Yeah, Latter-day Saints CAN choose to be pissed about something like that. Like Sketchmaster said though:

Na, We would pretty much laugh it off. If some one was feeling brave they would go and talk to the guy just to find out why he was doing that. It's not something to get all rilled up about.

I've served as a missionary in Orange County, CA not too long ago, so I've heard these arguements again and again. There's only a few attacks that might get me wiled up, though.

True, and their religion is a Cult. The whole special under garments, special handshake, special name, populate the earth, years worth of food, tithe 10%, get your own planet afterlife is just a bit too weird.

How does that make the Latter-Day Saint Church a "cult"? Cut the crap and the name calling for a change and grow up.

Mormons are no more a cult than Evangelicals, Baptists, Methodists, or whatever. Most of those things you talked about are talked about in the Bible, others are not.

Oh, and their leader named Hinckley, has a direct connection with God and he has told all Mormons to avoid Rave parties.......

Yes, he did say that in the LDS Church's 2000 October General Conference. I guess you don't know anything about what prophets do.

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: Fmr12B

Originally posted by: Zysoclaplem
Well, the book of mormon is fiction.

True, and their religion is a Cult. The whole special under garments, special handshake, special name, populate the earth, years worth of food, tithe 10%, get your own planet afterlife is just a bit too weird.

Oh, and their leader named Hinckley, has a direct connection with God and he has told all Mormons to avoid Rave parties.......

CULT!

of course and . . .

. . . Christianity is also a cult

. . . of Judaism

which IS fiction
:thumbsdown:

 

[SuperFreaky]

I find the morman religion to be very telling about how human nature. If John Smith can convince a large enough number of people in the 1800s to start a religion... how hard do you think it would have been 1800 years earlier?

 

[apoppin]

try Abram's day - supposedly the start of Judaism - over 4,000 years ago! . . .

god's chosen . . . Promised land

sure

they use this old "excuse" and genocide their neighbors till this day
they forgot . . . god also promised it to the Arabs


:thumbsdown:

edit: don't forget . . . Mormon claims also go back to Abraham
:roll:

 

[NuclearNed]

Tons of info about Mormonism

Naturally, everyone will say that this site is biased, even though its claims are backed up by extensive references from both religious and secular sources. Also, note the "Britannica" graphic at the left side of the main page... hmm... does that lend any credibility???

 

[Ronin]

Originally posted by: bobbybe01

I'm glad to see there's a few here (I think I saw drops here and there from others).

You served about 90 miles from where I live (and probably 20 miles from where I used to live).

I have the utmost respect for anyone willing to take those 2 years out of their life to serve a mission, and although some locations are less exotic than others, it's still a great experience.

 

[SaltBoy]

Those darn, pesky Normans! They're gonna turn me into a green jello casserole lovin' fool!

 

[0roo0roo]

sad

i saw a prius with cheap house lettering stickers spelling out "terrrorism fighting vehicle" on the bumper. and it also had the mpg. pretty sad actually. older one too.

 

[DragonMasterAlex]

Originally posted by: NuclearNed
To the people who claim the Bible is fiction:

I'm guessing you are highly uneducated about the Bible and ancient history. There are mountains of tangible physical archaeological evidence that prove that virtually all of the events described in the Bible actually happened. Heck, there are even secular accounts proving that Jesus was an actual person. Choosing to not believe that God exists or that he was involved in those events is entirely your right, but claiming that those events are fictional exposes you as an ignorant kiddie.

The same can't be said about the book of Mormon - there is no evidence supporting the events described therein. Some of the early founders of that cult even recanted on their deathbeds, saying that they made up the whole thing.

I'm afraid for a claim like that you're going to have to provide EVIDENCE. I'd like to see:

PROOF that God appeared to Moses and that Moses' face "glowed for a year".

PROOF that Noah's Ark was real (and no, that little 12-person boat found in the mountains we believe to be Arrarat is NOT Noah's Ark) and that it carried 2 of every animal species

PROOF that Adam and Eve existed in the Garden of Eden, including coordinates to Eden, please.

PROOF that Joshua made the sun STOP in the sky

PROOF that Jesus ascended to Heaven after he came back from the dead

I'll be waiting patiently, thanks

Jason

 

[DaShen]

One of the disciples of Joseph Smith was an ediotor to a publishing company at the time. He was fired and mysteriously certain chapters of a fiction novel went missing at the publishing company. The novel's storyline is very similar to storylines in the BoM. Just FYI. If I find the title again, I will post it.

 

[NuclearNed]

Originally posted by: DragonMasterAlex

Originally posted by: NuclearNed
To the people who claim the Bible is fiction:

I'm guessing you are highly uneducated about the Bible and ancient history. There are mountains of tangible physical archaeological evidence that prove that virtually all of the events described in the Bible actually happened. Heck, there are even secular accounts proving that Jesus was an actual person. Choosing to not believe that God exists or that he was involved in those events is entirely your right, but claiming that those events are fictional exposes you as an ignorant kiddie.

The same can't be said about the book of Mormon - there is no evidence supporting the events described therein. Some of the early founders of that cult even recanted on their deathbeds, saying that they made up the whole thing.

I'm afraid for a claim like that you're going to have to provide EVIDENCE. I'd like to see:

PROOF that God appeared to Moses and that Moses' face "glowed for a year".

PROOF that Noah's Ark was real (and no, that little 12-person boat found in the mountains we believe to be Arrarat is NOT Noah's Ark) and that it carried 2 of every animal species

PROOF that Adam and Eve existed in the Garden of Eden, including coordinates to Eden, please.

PROOF that Joshua made the sun STOP in the sky

PROOF that Jesus ascended to Heaven after he came back from the dead

I'll be waiting patiently, thanks

Jason

There is no claim in my post that God or miracles exists, just that the Bible is historically accurate. With the exception of Noah's ark, the events you described are "miraculous" events that can't be corroborated by modern science. Oddly enough, there is evidence that the account of the great flood and Noah may have occurred.

CNN

 

[SaltBoy]

Originally posted by: DaShen
One of the disciples of Joseph Smith was an ediotor to a publishing company at the time. He was fired and mysteriously certain chapters of a fiction novel went missing at the publishing company. The novel's storyline is very similar to storylines in the BoM. Just FYI. If I find the title again, I will post it.

Ooh, now THIS should be good. :roll: :roll: