Yeah, that's what actually got me to give it a chance. Amazing what happened from that point forward.
Yeah, that's what actually got me to give it a chance. Amazing what happened from that point forward.
Vic
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Do please elaborate on this. I want to hear the reasoning.
Oh, and by the by, Pascal's wager invalidates itself. Any person who believes merely for the sake of his own salvation is not likely to be saved. That is, unless you also believe that God tolerates being mocked.
It's not mocking if you say, "God, I'm willing to give it a chance. My heart is open. Show me!"
Worked for me.
What's to elaborate? It's blasphemy to consider yourself a God. None of us are gods and none of us will ever be gods. Only God is God.
kitkat22
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KJV
Psalms 82:6
Matthew 5:48
John 10:34 specifically vs22-39
Acts 17:29
Romans 8:17
Galatians 4:7
All of these scriptures have reference to the fact that we are gods. Especially Psalms and John, where Christ specifically mentions it. In response to the blasphemy part, didn't the Jews consider it blasphemy that Christ considered himself god? Didn't they try to stone him for saying the Father and I are one? Isn't John 10:34 His response to them? Didn't Christ say, "ye are gods?" The scriptures are there to support this doctrine, whether you agree with the interpretations or not. In no shape or form do we say we are equal to God, only Christ could say that, we say we will be like God. Actually that was Satan's idea, not only to be equal with God, but to surpass Him. That is why he is fallen to the pit as mentioned in Isaiah and Revelations.
I completely agree with Babbles, well said.
Psalms 82:6
Matthew 5:48
John 10:34 specifically vs22-39
Acts 17:29
Romans 8:17
Galatians 4:7
All of these scriptures have reference to the fact that we are gods. Especially Psalms and John, where Christ specifically mentions it. In response to the blasphemy part, didn't the Jews consider it blasphemy that Christ considered himself god? Didn't they try to stone him for saying the Father and I are one? Isn't John 10:34 His response to them? Didn't Christ say, "ye are gods?" The scriptures are there to support this doctrine, whether you agree with the interpretations or not. In no shape or form do we say we are equal to God, only Christ could say that, we say we will be like God. Actually that was Satan's idea, not only to be equal with God, but to surpass Him. That is why he is fallen to the pit as mentioned in Isaiah and Revelations.
I completely agree with Babbles, well said.
0roo0roo
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i can't believe someone would bring this up as if it were somehow a good thing. the reason its famous is because its been refuted long ago. its used to teach critical thought. first of all any god worth his snuff would be rather insulted that you would believe for such a self serving and silly irrational reason. probably smite you right there. second of course it assumes theres only one religion to choose from which is basically absurd. only one religion can be right by any rational thought, so your chances of choosing the wrong one are pretty damn high. it also assumes that god is a self important immature little sod that values worship over actual works and character.
i mean how stupid is that. you create beings just so they can worship you and u care mostly about that? what kind of god is that?
apoppin
Lifer
believe WHAT?
:Q
if you are a christian and islam turns out to be the true religion, you are gonna burn in their hell for eternity
:shocked:
:thumbsdown:
ALL religions are stupidly illogical
[or prove one isn't]
0roo0roo
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cult:
1 : formal religious veneration : WORSHIP
2 : a system of religious beliefs and ritual; also : its body of adherents
3 : a religion regarded as unorthodox or spurious; also : its body of adherents
4 : a system for the cure of disease based on dogma set forth by its promulgator <health cults>
5 a : great devotion to a person, idea, object, movement, or work (as a film or book); especially : such devotion regarded as a literary or intellectual fad b : a usually small group of people characterized by such devotion
Joseph Smith Jr. (1805-1844). Jesus already left a church before he died. it is 2000 years old. He said nothing would prevail against it, ever. who can guess which that is?
Uneducated? How about a bit more scientifically minded. Proof is what a lot of people would like to see. Moses opening up the sea. Sure he did. The entire earth covered in water and Noah gathered all the animals by two's. Sure he did. Let's see, someone turned and looked back and was turned into a pillar of salt. Sure he did. I do not doubt the existance of Jesus and early christianity, but to believe all of the devine things that supposedly happened as written in the Bible is simply asking for too much. As for the Mormons...whatever!
Ronin
Diamond Member
Ugh... I am disappointed that this thread is turning out the way it is... It started out as a laugh just showing 2 pics of some guys opinion on his minivan. Some people took this in the right light and laughed at the poor clown. Others thought this is a perfect time to stand on their soap box.
Why do people who don't believe in religion have to be so adamant in trying to break down someone elses. Be a bit more respectful of others. That is a universal policy, not just a religious one. Mormons respect you, please do likewise. If people don't want to accept the Mormon religion, they don't half to! If people find peace and joy living their daily life as a Mormon then why would you want to change that for him?
SIDE NOTE: Most proclaimed atheists are not atheist... they are agnostic. Quite a difference between the two.
Why do people who don't believe in religion have to be so adamant in trying to break down someone elses. Be a bit more respectful of others. That is a universal policy, not just a religious one. Mormons respect you, please do likewise. If people don't want to accept the Mormon religion, they don't half to! If people find peace and joy living their daily life as a Mormon then why would you want to change that for him?
SIDE NOTE: Most proclaimed atheists are not atheist... they are agnostic. Quite a difference between the two.
meltdown75
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the whole respect thing is a nice thought - i used to argue about this in religion / God threads. it's just what a lot of people yearn to do here... they bitch about ideas being "crammed down their throat", but they're the first to denounce the spiritual views of strangers, and try to broadcast their opinions in a way which is very ironic considering why they become upset in the first place.
out of all the members, the atheists generally discuss God the most.
Originally posted by: meltdown75
the whole respect thing is a nice thought - i used to argue about this in religion / God threads. it's just what a lot of people yearn to do here... they bitch about ideas being "crammed down their throat", but they're the first to denounce the spiritual views of strangers, and try to broadcast their opinions in a way which is very ironic considering why they become upset in the first place.
out of all the members, the atheists generally discuss God the most.
Yep they are pretty rude about it too for the most part (90% of the people here).
Even if you dont believe in the teachings of the bible they are still good teachings like being a good person, helping people, ect. During noahs time the "world" was a lot smaller and im sure that they didnt even know about all the animals in it. Things get lost in translation.
It is too difficult to "justify" ones beliefs to someone who doesn't want to believe. Who's right vs. who's worng debates are pretty fruitless for the most part. I could go on and list 100 reasons why I'm right... and someone could counter with 100 reasons why I'm wrong. Opinions and Theories can be thrown back and forth each believing it to be his own "fact". When the truth is we really know jack squat about everything there is to know, whether religious or non-religious. Bottom line is do whatever it is that makes you a better man, a better husband, a better father. Because when you are dead and gone all that you have left is your family.
Here are some websites where at least you can read for yourself what to believe about Mormons:
Main Mormon Website= http://www.lds.org
Mormons Basic Beliefs= http://www.mormon.org/learn/0,8672,1082-1,00.html
Historical Events of the Book Of Mornon= http://www.farms.byu.edu/
Before the next time you want to post what you "think" Mormons are and do... please verify your "facts" with some of the above listed websites. You may find out that most Mormons are nice people and try to do good in this world.
Here are some websites where at least you can read for yourself what to believe about Mormons:
Main Mormon Website= http://www.lds.org
Mormons Basic Beliefs= http://www.mormon.org/learn/0,8672,1082-1,00.html
Historical Events of the Book Of Mornon= http://www.farms.byu.edu/
Before the next time you want to post what you "think" Mormons are and do... please verify your "facts" with some of the above listed websites. You may find out that most Mormons are nice people and try to do good in this world.
Vic
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That's not what was said before. It was something like how it was better to believe and be saved than not believe and burn in hell. That implies that one would believe only to save oneself from the flames, i.e. for your own personal glory and not the glory of God, and that is expressly forbidden as mocking God.
If it was different for you, wonderful. But what happened to you doesn't sound like Pascal's wager.
Moving on to this blasphemy, a crime that is usually committed against the church far more often than against God Himself (and I don't see any "danger" in committing blasphemy against a church)... I have a question: What exists outside existence?
MechJinx
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Whee! thanks for the laughs to end my Friday. It was immensely enjoyable to see what I 'believed' today.
To plaidfro: good post. It's nice to see links to actual LDS websites instead of links to websites that depict LDS members as 'insane'.
Let me re-interate one more time, you don't ask a pilot about medicine nor would you ask a doctor about piloting (unless he has gotten his pilot's license in his spare time). So, WHY, WHY, do you ask people who openly hate or think LDS people are out of their minds what the beliefs of the LDS church are. Ask a member who can explain the facts to you and then MAKE UP YOUR OWN MIND whether you agree with it or not. What a novel idea.
Anywho, thanks for the laughs to end off my work week. I'll have some good stories to share with my friends tonight. And, I might even use one of these posts to open my lesson with a laugh in Elders Quorum this Sunday.
To plaidfro: good post. It's nice to see links to actual LDS websites instead of links to websites that depict LDS members as 'insane'.
Let me re-interate one more time, you don't ask a pilot about medicine nor would you ask a doctor about piloting (unless he has gotten his pilot's license in his spare time
). So, WHY, WHY, do you ask people who openly hate or think LDS people are out of their minds what the beliefs of the LDS church are. Ask a member who can explain the facts to you and then MAKE UP YOUR OWN MIND whether you agree with it or not. What a novel idea. Anywho, thanks for the laughs to end off my work week. I'll have some good stories to share with my friends tonight. And, I might even use one of these posts to open my lesson with a laugh in Elders Quorum this Sunday.
apoppin
Lifer
Sorry you are disappointed . . . OT frequently turns out that way when people disagree with you.
:roll:
i don't care what others do and if they care to worship Dung, that is their dubious privilege . . . but i will not hesitate to call it like i see it.
Most religious people do not respect athiests . . . at least in America . . . they are always trying to force others- often by manipulating the Law - to live according to their fantasy.
:thumbsdown:
edit: like Utah
:roll:
Ronin
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