Texas abortion law: Judge bans state from enforcing regulations

[theeedude]

I guess Texan women and their families are about to experience Republican abortion policies. They know what to do if they don't like them.

 

[Brainonska511]

The judges agreed with the state that most women would still live within 150 miles of an abortion clinic, but that figure included out-of-state clinics. So how is this about patient safety if you're suggesting that people go out of state for a legal procedure, where Texas would have no control over the quality of clinics?

 

[zinfamous]

The judges agreed with the state that most women would still live within 150 miles of an abortion clinic, but that figure included out-of-state clinics. So how is this about patient safety if you're suggesting that people go out of state for a legal procedure, where Texas would have no control over the quality of clinics?

well, to be honest, Moony explains it best: CBD

morality need not apply with conservatives. Just look at Texashiker.

 

[Jhhnn]

This was a panel from the full appeals court, so I'm sure the full court will hear it next on appeal. Hopefully, they'll reverse the panel & go with the original judge.

Like it or not, abortion is legal in this country & the Texas law attempts to circumvent that fact in a dishonest way. They're playing Catch 22, and they won't be satisfied until they make abortion unobtainable in Texas, any way they can.

 

[sportage]

Well, this is the trend. To limit greatly abortion access. And it is just one of the many on the republican agenda to get government in your life and personal choice out of your life. Just the opposite of what we were told republicans believed.
I guess big government isn't that bad after all it seems, for republicans.
Especially if that government intervention can make its way into your bedrooms and private personal life.

Women who seek an abortion know this is not an easy decision
Women who seek an abortion have good reason to do so.
Health, financial, relationship reasons, and the act of rape whether that a violent act or simply the boss or an acquaintance taking advantage.

But now, in Texas, none of that matters anymore.
Silly dumb women, as the Texas government believes, are not smart enough to make such decisions when it comes to abortion.
According to Texas, only Texas knows what is best regardless of what that woman's circumstance may be.
It's not your decision, it's Texas decision.

And again, there is an easy fix to this government takeover of ones personal decision making.
It is called voting.
And you do not vote back into office those that impose big government onto your personal life, which strangely enough has been the trend of the voters.
The trend supported and successfully influenced by none other than Fox News.

Instead, you vote for the "other" party and "other" candidate that believes in getting government out of your personal life.
Which too many voters seem to have a big problem determining which side is which.
And again, Fox News deserves mucho credit for confusing that average voter of which side is which and the true side that defends their best interest.

So rejoice Texas women. And celebrate much. You just screwed yourself big time.
And.... by the way... for that you can not no longer seek an abortion.

 

[Linux23]

Already stated my stance on this issue many times. Not going to rehash everything, but I will say this.

I have a child now. However, I have had women I've been with before go through with abortions of potential children of mine in the past. I am fine with my past actions, and was part of the decision process for the abortion with the women the whole way. Why? Situation was as follows. The two times I had a child aborted were because they weren't suppose to happen in the first place. I was wearing protection, and it failed. I will explain how it failed. The basics is that when a guy releases, if the motion doesn't stop soon afterward, the motion can pull off the condom or lift part of an edge of it. The lifted edge can cause some stuff to leak out. That is what happened with me twice.

Didn't realize it had happened where some leaked out the side, and thus didn't go get the morning after pill either time. Otherwise I would have. Although I think it's ridiculous to pay $50 for a single pill such as that. Just ugh. At least now people can get it off a shelf instead of having to get a prescription or from a pharmacy counter.

So after the first missed period with both women, we talked it over and decided we weren't ready. Made appointments to see a planned parenthood center and went through the procedure to remove the zygote. This was done early on when there wasn't even a fetus formed, just a small collection of microscopic cells growing. Again, $600 wasted each time doing it.

For reference the second time it happened by accident was with my current wife who was a girlfriend at the time. Since then we got married and now have a beautiful son. I do not for a moment regret the two previous abortions I was apart of. I was not ready in life to have a child and neither were the women. The child would not have grown up happy, healthy, and in the best possible circumstances. My current son will have all that. I am in a better position in life to provide and care for a child thus I planned one out to have with my current wife.

The regulations to change that are pretty much bullshit in my opinion.

Amen brother. Although I haven't had to make the decision of aborting a child myself, I was rather against it, until I had my daughter (she turns 2 today).

Before her, there is no way I would have been a good father to anyone. Now that i'm 35, and more mature and stable, I can hopefully provide a better future for my 1st and only (knock on wood) offspring.

 

[Texashiker]

I do not for a moment regret the two previous abortions I was apart of.

It is sad you murdered your own children because "you were not ready".

If there is a GOD, and I hope there is, I hope there will be a special place in hell just for murderers like you.

 

[fskimospy]

The judges agreed with the state that most women would still live within 150 miles of an abortion clinic, but that figure included out-of-state clinics. So how is this about patient safety if you're suggesting that people go out of state for a legal procedure, where Texas would have no control over the quality of clinics?

That's particularly odd considering the well established precedent that what is in other states doesn't matter as a state cannot rely on other states to provide for people's rights.

For example, you aren't allowed to ban the sale of guns in your state with the rationale of "well you can always buy one the next state over". That's unconstitutional.

 

[Moonbeam]

It is sad you murdered your own children because "you were not ready".

If there is a GOD, and I hope there is, I hope there will be a special place in hell just for murderers like you.

You really need to forgive your folks for murdering you psychically as a child. they were asleep and couldn't have done better. That's what all your hate is about. All the folk you hate and hope God condems, he sent Christ to save. Yup and they have been forgiven,if, of course, you can feel it.

So know what you are hoping for by your wish there is a God.

 

[Texashiker]

That's what all your hate is about.

Hate is a bad word. I try not to hate anyone.

But there is one group of people I can say I honestly "hate", that is people who harm children.

 

[Brainonska511]

That's particularly odd considering the well established precedent that what is in other states doesn't matter as a state cannot rely on other states to provide for people's rights.

For example, you aren't allowed to ban the sale of guns in your state with the rationale of "well you can always buy one the next state over". That's unconstitutional.

I think you're missing the rationale that lets them do this: They can't ban gun sales in one state and say "go next door" because guns are something people like. Abortion on the other hand, has a sizable opposition and in their view, can rightfully enact laws that say "go next door" because it is something they do not like. You might refer to it as the Constitutional Buffet - take what you want and ignore the stuff you don't like.

 

[theeedude]

Hate is a bad word. I try not to hate anyone.

But there is one group of people I can say I honestly "hate", that is people who harm children.

Yeah, I hate Republicans too.

 

[smackababy]

Hate is a bad word. I try not to hate anyone.

Except gays, people who support abortion, liberals, transgenders, and I'm sure there are a few other groups I'm leaving out.

 

[Atreus21]

Originally Posted by HumblePie

Already stated my stance on this issue many times. Not going to rehash everything, but I will say this.

I have a child now. However, I have had women I've been with before go through with abortions of potential children of mine in the past. I am fine with my past actions, and was part of the decision process for the abortion with the women the whole way. Why? Situation was as follows. The two times I had a child aborted were because they weren't suppose to happen in the first place. I was wearing protection, and it failed. I will explain how it failed. The basics is that when a guy releases, if the motion doesn't stop soon afterward, the motion can pull off the condom or lift part of an edge of it. The lifted edge can cause some stuff to leak out. That is what happened with me twice.

Didn't realize it had happened where some leaked out the side, and thus didn't go get the morning after pill either time. Otherwise I would have. Although I think it's ridiculous to pay $50 for a single pill such as that. Just ugh. At least now people can get it off a shelf instead of having to get a prescription or from a pharmacy counter.

So after the first missed period with both women, we talked it over and decided we weren't ready. Made appointments to see a planned parenthood center and went through the procedure to remove the zygote. This was done early on when there wasn't even a fetus formed, just a small collection of microscopic cells growing. Again, $600 wasted each time doing it.

For reference the second time it happened by accident was with my current wife who was a girlfriend at the time. Since then we got married and now have a beautiful son. I do not for a moment regret the two previous abortions I was apart of. I was not ready in life to have a child and neither were the women. The child would not have grown up happy, healthy, and in the best possible circumstances. My current son will have all that. I am in a better position in life to provide and care for a child thus I planned one out to have with my current wife.

The regulations to change that are pretty much bullshit in my opinion.

That kind of thing would haunt me. I'd wonder what my children would look like had I permitted them to develop. I'd wonder how I might've coped with the inconvenience of child-rearing, and if the absence of that inconvenience was worth denying my child his or her life. Worse, I'd wonder if, had the child been born, I would look at him or her now and think, "I wish I had aborted this kid when I had the chance."

 

[Atreus21]

I think you're missing the rationale that lets them do this: They can't ban gun sales in one state and say "go next door" because guns are something people like. Abortion on the other hand, has a sizable opposition and in their view, can rightfully enact laws that say "go next door" because it is something they do not like. You might refer to it as the Constitutional Buffet - take what you want and ignore the stuff you don't like.

After Gosnell, I don't blame them.

 

[Brainonska511]

After Gosnell, I don't blame them.

Yes, because he's representative of all abortion service providers, just like Michael Dunn is representative of responsible gun users.

 

[SlowSpyder]

It is sad you murdered your own children because "you were not ready".

If there is a GOD, and I hope there is, I hope there will be a special place in hell just for murderers like you.

Geez dude, your opinion of what a child is varies considerably from others. You need to understand that. To me a clump of cells just isn't a child yet, aborting that process before it becomes a child isn't murder.

I thought that you might be a decent person but just a little misguided, or simply just a different upbringing and different environment compared to me creating a different point of view. But now I wonder if you're shitty kids, your shitty job situation, your shitty outlook on everything, and your shitty political views might be so because you're just a shitty person.

It is amazing to me that you believe in a 'compassionate' god and try to claim the moral high ground in these conversations, but just wished for someone to burn in eternal hell fire forever. Not a hundred years, not a million years, not even trillions and trillions of years... but to burn forever in a special place in hell. And for what? For sending a soul to eternal paradise to be with jesus or whatever (assuming that's what you believe).

 

[Jhhnn]

I think you're missing the rationale that lets them do this: They can't ban gun sales in one state and say "go next door" because guns are something people like. Abortion on the other hand, has a sizable opposition and in their view, can rightfully enact laws that say "go next door" because it is something they do not like. You might refer to it as the Constitutional Buffet - take what you want and ignore the stuff you don't like.

They'll rationalize that away faster than you can type it. They already did.

It's part of that small gubmint right up your vagina headset.

 

[ivwshane]

That kind of thing would haunt me. I'd wonder what my children would look like had I permitted them to develop. I'd wonder how I might've coped with the inconvenience of child-rearing, and if the absence of that inconvenience was worth denying my child his or her life. Worse, I'd wonder if, had the child been born, I would look at him or her now and think, "I wish I had aborted this kid when I had the chance."

Just like some people are scared of guns and they would never have one, you don't have to have an abortion either.

Having options is great isn't it? Even better is not having others dictate your beliefs, right?

Gotta stop those irresponsible women from doing the responsible thing and prevent them from having abortions! You'd much rather not help the child when those same women start using social services.

 

[Atomic Playboy]

Just like some people are scared of guns and they would never have one, you don't have to have an abortion either.

Having options is great isn't it? Even better is not having others dictate your beliefs, right?

Gotta stop those irresponsible women from doing the responsible thing and prevent them from having abortions! You'd much rather not help the child when those same women start using social services.

Abortion is a tricky one. You would never use this argument against someone who claimed that child rape should be legal because "some people just want that option." We have a vested interest in protecting children (and indeed, all our citizens) from those that would do them harm. So if you believe that life begins at conception, it's hard to rationalize letting people operate under the conflicting belief that life begins at birth and then aborting their fetus; it can't be defined as anything other than murder in your mind and consequently should never be acceptable. It's the sticking point in any abortion debate; regardless of the "live and let live" spirit of libertarianism, if you legitimately believe someone else is murdering an innocent person, you're not going to stand up for their right to do it because they believe it's OK. And it's inevitably where any conversation about abortion breaks down because the two sides are completely irreconcilable at that point.

FWIW, I'm pro-choice. But I can see things from the perspective of the pro-life side and I can see why the "logic" of abortion is 100% incompatible with their view. "If you don't like 'x,' don't do it, but let me if I want to" doesn't work when people think an innocent non-consenting person is being harmed by that activity.

 

[HumblePie]

It is sad you murdered your own children because "you were not ready".

If there is a GOD, and I hope there is, I hope there will be a special place in hell just for murderers like you.

LOL cry moar plz.

Seriously dude get over yourself. I have zero regrets about my previous actions and unless I visit a thread like this, don't even remember it at all. Nor do I remember or dwell on the last physical or bloodwork done either. It was a simple, safe, and easy procedure both times. Both times were done right after the first missed period of the women so there was no fetus at all. Just some hormone changes.

If I am going to bring a child into this world, I am going to do it with the best favorable outcome for that. So I can raise a happy, healthy, and mentally balanced child as best as can be expected. That is called being a good responsible parent and member of society. Unlike you.

 

[HumblePie]

Abortion is a tricky one. You would never use this argument against someone who claimed that child rape should be legal because "some people just want that option." We have a vested interest in protecting children (and indeed, all our citizens) from those that would do them harm. So if you believe that life begins at conception, it's hard to rationalize letting people operate under the conflicting belief that life begins at birth and then aborting their fetus; it can't be defined as anything other than murder in your mind and consequently should never be acceptable. It's the sticking point in any abortion debate; regardless of the "live and let live" spirit of libertarianism, if you legitimately believe someone else is murdering an innocent person, you're not going to stand up for their right to do it because they believe it's OK. And it's inevitably where any conversation about abortion breaks down because the two sides are completely irreconcilable at that point.

FWIW, I'm pro-choice. But I can see things from the perspective of the pro-life side and I can see why the "logic" of abortion is 100% incompatible with their view. "If you don't like 'x,' don't do it, but let me if I want to" doesn't work when people think an innocent non-consenting person is being harmed by that activity.

To the bolded, I can see the logic and the valid argument for a healthy child growing up in a society. It is in the best interest of the future of such society to make sure that child grows up to be a productive member of that society. But a zygote isn't even close to a child yet. Abortions have no meaningful impact upon a society expect perhaps to help it by not putting an undue burden on the social structures of a society by trying to rear a child that is unwanted in the first place.

Those against abortions are not using logic to validate their thought processes, but religious views. Like the previous poster hoping I burn in an eternal hell, they might as well believe I'll spend an afterlife humping pink unicorns. It has the same logic validity to it.

 

[Brainonska511]

FWIW, I'm pro-choice. But I can see things from the perspective of the pro-life side and I can see why the "logic" of abortion is 100% incompatible with their view. "If you don't like 'x,' don't do it, but let me if I want to" doesn't work when people think an innocent non-consenting person is being harmed by that activity.

They still leave a hole in their logic that you can drive a truck through. Many anti-abortion people seem to be okay with allowing exceptions in anti-abortion legislation for cases of rape. If the fetus/child is innocent, how can it matter how it was conceived?

 

[Atomic Playboy]

To the bolded, I can see the logic and the valid argument for a healthy child growing up in a society. It is in the best interest of the future of such society to make sure that child grows up to be a productive member of that society. But a zygote isn't even close to a child yet. Abortions have no meaningful impact upon a society expect perhaps to help it by not putting an undue burden on the social structures of a society by trying to rear a child that is unwanted in the first place.

Those against abortions are not using logic to validate their thought processes, but religious views. Like the previous poster hoping I burn in an eternal hell, they might as well believe I'll spend an afterlife humping pink unicorns. It has the same logic validity to it.

I agree with you, but I'm pro-choice and believe that a fetus is fundamentally different from a baby. That's not usually the case with opponents of abortion. And it's a misrepresentation of their argument to claim that there is no logic behind it or it's steeped in religion; it's possible to be irreligious and still believe that once an egg has been fertilized, life has begun and warrants protection. It's not even a question of logic at that point, it's an emotional response, and logic is not usually very good at convincing people not to believe their gut feelings. You can argue science until you're blue in the face and you're never going to convince someone who believes life starts at conception that the bundle of cells isn't worth protecting or that poverty is a justification for "murder" or whatever else. For a lot of the debate about abortion, there is literally no common ground between the sides and compromise becomes impossible.

 

[Atomic Playboy]

They still leave a hole in their logic that you can drive a truck through. Many anti-abortion people seem to be okay with allowing exceptions in anti-abortion legislation for cases of rape. If the fetus/child is innocent, how can it matter how it was conceived?

I've often wondered that myself. I think it's because it's viewed as morally reprehensible to suggest that a rape victim be forced to give birth to her attacker's offspring; there's some kowtowing to political pressure. I think there might also be a subconscious justification that the offspring of a violent criminal isn't worth saving, and that killing that potential offspring can serve as a further punishment for their crime. But from a logical standpoint, it's hard to justify calling abortion murder "except for when it happens via criminal act in which case murdering an unborn child is entirely appropriate."