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zinfamous

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My point is that folks like you will support abortion, but will say, "save the planet or save the wildlife." But screw a human life, cut 'em out and fuck it! I never said the whole world was against abortion I said a lot. You live in a largely secular socity and it's no wonder you idiots up there support abortion. Europe is another largely secular society and where are their brains? Up their ass is where.

We are, but falling as the best country in the world both economically and militarily. But the lawerers and screwed up court system is tearing this country apart. It will ultimatly be our demise. Once upon a time we had a little thing called values and common sense. Now that has gone out the window. I say common sense because abortion should only be reserved for those that are raped and acts of incest. Now the court here in the US of A is supposed to be blind, but it really isn't as they side with political leanings. Common sense would dictate that rape and incest would be approved for the destruction of a human life. But for some stupid ass teen that just decides, "naaa" I don't want it. Well too bad Missy! Your responsibility now. We have pills, creams, patches, and condoms, use them! I believe some 15 million baby's were aborted since Roe v. Wade. Our current population is around 315 million. We would have had 330 million people if it weren't for Roe v. Wade

For ignorant people to simply say "fuck Christians," are no better than the Westboro Baptist Church. Simply put they are filled with hate and disdain. This country was founded on a Christian belief system. The pledge of allegiance mentions God. Our currency mentions God. Many public places have religious art work. Our founding fathers are rolling in their graves with the secular society that is infecting our social classes. It is a plague of biblical proportions and the shit is going to hit the fan and when it does good luck getting through the narrow door way.

Luke 13:22

"Then Jesus went through the towns and villages, teaching as he made his way to Jerusalem. 23 Someone asked him, “Lord, are only a few people going to be saved?”He said to them, 24 “Make every effort to enter through the narrow door, because many, I tell you, will try to enter and will not be able to. 25 Once the owner of the house gets up and closes the door, you will stand outside knocking and pleading, ‘Sir, open the door for us.’
“But he will answer, ‘I don’t know you or where you come from.’
26 “Then you will say, ‘We ate and drank with you, and you taught in our streets.’
27 “But he will reply, ‘I don’t know you or where you come from. Away from me, all you evildoers!’
28 “There will be weeping there, and gnashing of teeth, when you see Abraham, Isaac and Jacob and all the prophets in the kingdom of God, but you yourselves thrown out. 29 People will come from east and west and north and south, and will take their places at the feast in the kingdom of God. 30 Indeed there are those who are last who will be first, and first who will be last.”


The bible has brought me comfort in times of despair. Perhaps if more people read the damn thing the world would be better off. But here in the twenty first century the world has took a turn for the worst.

Perhaps the words from the book A Tale Of Two Cities best describes the social order that we are in. "It was the best of times, it was the worst of times, it was the age of wisdom, it was the age of foolishness, it was the epoch of belief, it was the epoch of incredulity, it was the season of Light, it was the season of Darkness, it was the spring of hope, it was the winter of despair, we had everything before us, we had nothing before us, we were all going direct to Heaven, we were all going direct the other way – in short, the period was so far like the present period, that some of its noisiest authorities insisted on its being received, for good or for evil, in the superlative degree of comparison only."

May God have mercy on their sins.

whole lotta "citation needed" in your senseless ranting up there.

--The pledge of allegiance, as you know it to be, was not established at or anywhere near this country's founding
--putting "god" in our currency was something that happened in the 20th century. I'll let you do the math

--no: this country was not founded on Christian principles.

Whatever the rotting corpse of Brietbart tells you, it does not make it so. Get your head our of your ass, son.
 

Atreus21

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Arbitrary means that it's decided based on a whim or random choice. Saying that a woman's right to her body trumps that of a fetus until the fetus can live without her help is certainly neither of those.

Arbitrary in the sense that we might place that cutoff anywhere we want by any rationale.

"Live without her help." I assume you mean "breathe outside the womb", because taken literally no newborn can live without someone's help.

Why should the child's ability to breathe outside of the womb determine whether we can kill it or not? Suppose the child is just on the cusp of "viability"; one day away, for example.
 
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Texashiker

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Whatever the rotting corpse of Brietbart tells you, it does not make it so. Get your head our of your ass, son.

John is right and just about everyone here knows it, including you.

What can be said about a nation that kills unborn children? How can we as a nation say we value life when unborn children are slaughtered by the millions?

Then the slaughter is justified because it is a "womans right?"

I do not know which is more sickening, the act of abortion or the justification.

The United States is morally bankrupt.
 

fskimospy

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Arbitrary in the sense that we might place that cutoff anywhere we want by any rationale.

"Live without her help." I assume you mean "breathe outside the womb", because taken literally no newborn can live without someone's help.

Why should the child's ability to breathe outside of the womb determine whether we can kill it or not?

Because once it can live outside the womb anyone who chooses to can take care of it, or not take care of it. When it's inside the mother and 100% dependent on her alone for survival it's not that way.

Like I said, as a baby develops its status changes. Before it's viable the mother can do whatever she wants. Hell, I don't care if women have recreational abortions.
 

fskimospy

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I hope you are trolling.

Your view point will change after you have kids of your own.

I'm definitely not trolling. I wish I could say the same about you.

Your viewpoint will never change because it's not based on rational thought.
 

SlowSpyder

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John is right and just about everyone here knows it, including you.

What can be said about a nation that kills unborn children? How can we as a nation say we value life when unborn children are slaughtered by the millions?

Then the slaughter is justified because it is a "womans right?"

I do not know which is more sickening, the act of abortion or the justification.

The United States is morally bankrupt.


No, he's wrong.

The people who wrote the Constitution were pretty smart, many of them even christians. Yet in the 4500+ words that make up the Constitution they didn't put in a little phrase like 'this is a christian nation'. They have parts that point out that there needs to be separation between government and religion, but no mention of this being a christian nation.

Just because you want something to be reality, doesn't mean it is reality.


And again, more on point of this thread, I don't see abortion as the same as murdering a child. What is in a woman early on isn't a child to me.
 

Atreus21

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Because once it can live outside the womb anyone who chooses to can take care of it, or not take care of it. When it's inside the mother and 100% dependent on her alone for survival it's not that way.

Like I said, as a baby develops its status changes. Before it's viable the mother can do whatever she wants. Hell, I don't care if women have recreational abortions.

I can't agree with this. A human being's life or death is not defined by the burden it places on others (unless he or she has committed a crime).
 

Atreus21

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No, he's wrong.

The people who wrote the Constitution were pretty smart, many of them even christians. Yet in the 4500+ words that make up the Constitution they didn't put in a little phrase like 'this is a christian nation'. They have parts that point out that there needs to be separation between government and religion, but no mention of this being a christian nation.

The claim is not that this is a Christian nation. The claim is that Christianity forms the underpinnings of the nation and its culture.
 

nehalem256

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Like I said, as a baby develops its status changes. Before it's viable the mother can do whatever she wants. Hell, I don't care if women have recreational abortions.

So I assume you oppose things like WIC and medical aid for pregnant women. After all it seems pretty hard to justify government spending to support a creature that you are perfectly fine with recreationally killing.
 

fskimospy

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I can't agree with this. A human being's life or death is not defined by the burden it places on others (unless he or she has committed a crime).

That presumes that a fetus is a human being. Clearly at some point a fertilized egg is not a human being in any commonly accepted sense. (to the average American, at least) At some point that idea changes. To me, and to the courts, that time is when it can exist outside the womb without the mother.

Abortion will never be illegal in the US. Ever. People wouldn't stand for it.
 

Atreus21

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That presumes that a fetus is a human being.

Which you only undermine by emphasizing the burden its existence represents, which is a cruel standard to place on babies or or any disadvantaged party.

Clearly at some point a fertilized egg is not a human being in any commonly accepted sense. (to the average American, at least) At some point that idea changes. To me, and to the courts, that time is when it can exist outside the womb without the mother.

Abortion will never be illegal in the US. Ever. People wouldn't stand for it.

Illegal to what extent? A majority of people, women included, support a general restriction against abortion beyond 20 weeks.
 

fskimospy

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Which you only undermine by emphasizing the burden its existence represents, which is a cruel standard to place on babies or or any disadvantaged party.

Illegal to what extent? A majority of people, women included, support a general restriction against abortion beyond 20 weeks.

Illegal in that the time period in which the vast, vast majority of abortions take place will never be made illegal again.
 

WHAMPOM

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AHH! The good old days when rats feasting on dead babies were a common sight in city ally ways and in time of famine new borns were taken out and left in the forest. Time to do a lot of Historical reading, the Good Ol'days did not exist.
We are not animals that can reproduce without regard for future consequences.
 

HumblePie

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Already stated my stance on this issue many times. Not going to rehash everything, but I will say this.

I have a child now. However, I have had women I've been with before go through with abortions of potential children of mine in the past. I am fine with my past actions, and was part of the decision process for the abortion with the women the whole way. Why? Situation was as follows. The two times I had a child aborted were because they weren't suppose to happen in the first place. I was wearing protection, and it failed. I will explain how it failed. The basics is that when a guy releases, if the motion doesn't stop soon afterward, the motion can pull off the condom or lift part of an edge of it. The lifted edge can cause some stuff to leak out. That is what happened with me twice.

Didn't realize it had happened where some leaked out the side, and thus didn't go get the morning after pill either time. Otherwise I would have. Although I think it's ridiculous to pay $50 for a single pill such as that. Just ugh. At least now people can get it off a shelf instead of having to get a prescription or from a pharmacy counter.

So after the first missed period with both women, we talked it over and decided we weren't ready. Made appointments to see a planned parenthood center and went through the procedure to remove the zygote. This was done early on when there wasn't even a fetus formed, just a small collection of microscopic cells growing. Again, $600 wasted each time doing it.

For reference the second time it happened by accident was with my current wife who was a girlfriend at the time. Since then we got married and now have a beautiful son. I do not for a moment regret the two previous abortions I was apart of. I was not ready in life to have a child and neither were the women. The child would not have grown up happy, healthy, and in the best possible circumstances. My current son will have all that. I am in a better position in life to provide and care for a child thus I planned one out to have with my current wife.

The regulations to change that are pretty much bullshit in my opinion.
 
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Jhhnn

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The claim is not that this is a Christian nation. The claim is that Christianity forms the underpinnings of the nation and its culture.

Which was balanced against the non-Christian non-hierarchical thinking of the enlightenment.

It's not like Christianity opposed slavery, serfdom, divine right or repression at all.
 

SlowSpyder

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The claim is not that this is a Christian nation. The claim is that Christianity forms the underpinnings of the nation and its culture.


It does? (I guess that helps explain slavery.) Lots of things, including religion, all added to the culture and the foundation this nation was built on. But as to how much these different contributors added to our culture is a matter of opinion.

I would argue that this nation was forged more so from ideals of people who wanted to escape over reaching government that mixed itself with oppressive religion then based from christianity itself. A lot of contributions went into it.
 

zinfamous

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John is right and just about everyone here knows it, including you.

What can be said about a nation that kills unborn children? How can we as a nation say we value life when unborn children are slaughtered by the millions?

Then the slaughter is justified because it is a "womans right?"

I do not know which is more sickening, the act of abortion or the justification.

The United States is morally bankrupt.

It is a practice that humans have engaged in since before the birth of your Christ, and it is something that humans will always engage in, and nothing will ever change that.

nothing. accept that. It will always happen.

Your proposal is merely to make it far more dangerous and far more costly on a social and public health level. Your position is morally bankrupt.