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LegendKiller

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Originally posted by: spacejamz
Ouch....

The whole Target thing has already been debunked. Sony is *paying* Target for an end-cap position. The *only* quote to come from Target is that they have not taken a position in the format wars. If Toshiba pays for an end-cap, they'll get one. That hasn't stopped Sony from releasing tons of crap stating that Target has chosen sides or some other such BS.
 

spacejamz

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Originally posted by: LegendKiller
Originally posted by: spacejamz
Ouch....

The whole Target thing has already been debunked. Sony is *paying* Target for an end-cap position. The *only* quote to come from Target is that they have not taken a position in the format wars. If Toshiba pays for an end-cap, they'll get one. That hasn't stopped Sony from releasing tons of crap stating that Target has chosen sides or some other such BS.

You can choose to see this anyway you want...to the general public, this story says Target favors blu ray and will be imprinted into the minds of America's consumers.

This begs the question, Why didn't HD DVD pay for this end cap space then??? Target won't allow them end cap space now unless the Target customer base starts asking about them. With blu ray still outselling HD DVD by a 2 to 1 margin, that probably isn't going to happen anytime soon.....

Who ever is running the PR campaign for HD DVD should have been fired a long time ago....

This holiday season, no HD DVD standalones will be found inside a Target store. Next holiday season, it won't matter...
 

LegendKiller

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Originally posted by: spacejamz
Originally posted by: LegendKiller
Originally posted by: spacejamz
Ouch....

The whole Target thing has already been debunked. Sony is *paying* Target for an end-cap position. The *only* quote to come from Target is that they have not taken a position in the format wars. If Toshiba pays for an end-cap, they'll get one. That hasn't stopped Sony from releasing tons of crap stating that Target has chosen sides or some other such BS.

You can choose to see this anyway you want...to the general public, this story says Target favors blu ray and will be imprinted into the minds of America's consumers.

This begs the question, Why didn't HD DVD pay for this end cap space then??? Target won't allow them end cap space now unless the Target customer base starts asking about them. With blu ray still outselling HD DVD by a 2 to 1 margin, that probably isn't going to happen anytime soon.....

Who ever is running the PR campaign for HD DVD should have been fired a long time ago....

This holiday season, no HD DVD standalones will be found inside a Target store. Next holiday season, it won't matter...

I agree with you regarding PR. All of these announcements are paper cuts, but 1000 paper cuts and you'll bleed to death, which is what could be happening. TGT, BBI, BJs aren't big players in their markets, but as you said, it's perception.

I am sure there'll be an endcap by the holiday season at TGT, but will that be soon enough to stop the bleeding? Who knows yet.
 

cubby1223

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Originally posted by: LegendKiller
I am sure there'll be an endcap by the holiday season at TGT, but will that be soon enough to stop the bleeding? Who knows yet.
Take a glance at the movies being released this holiday season, and you too will know exactly what's happening. It's becoming quite silly to continue resisting what is very obvious to the rest of us.
 

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People say the sales of PS3 wont matter that much for Blu Ray, but look at how many people didn't even have a DVD player until they bought a PS2! I can't quote you numbers but many people I know count that as their first DVD player. And the fact that in order to allow the 360 to play HD-DVD you have to buy another $200 add-on. The average consumer isn't going to fall for it. Everyone overlooks the consoles, but they aid in the decision factors between some standards. If someone owns both systems, they aren't going to buy the addon for 360 when the Blu Ray is built in. Especially when neither format offers no significant differences.

Anyways these two formats are practically worthless right now anyways as barely no one has a 1080p capable television.

By the way my PS3 is holding a gun to my head and forcing me to buy Blu Ray.
 

spacejamz

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Originally posted by: LegendKiller
I am sure there'll be an endcap by the holiday season at TGT, but will that be soon enough to stop the bleeding? Who knows yet.

Care to make a gentleman's wager on this?

If Target starts selling HD DVD stand alones in store by Dec 9, I will add 'HD DVD - The Look and Sound of Perfect' to my sig for 60 days. If they don't sell them in store by then, you would add 'Blu Ray - Beyond High Definition' to your sig for 60 days...

Interested?



 

LegendKiller

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Originally posted by: onlyCOpunk
People say the sales of PS3 wont matter that much for Blu Ray, but look at how many people didn't even have a DVD player until they bought a PS2! I can't quote you numbers but many people I know count that as their first DVD player. And the fact that in order to allow the 360 to play HD-DVD you have to buy another $200 add-on. The average consumer isn't going to fall for it. Everyone overlooks the consoles, but they aid in the decision factors between some standards. If someone owns both systems, they aren't going to buy the addon for 360 when the Blu Ray is built in. Especially when neither format offers no significant differences.

Anyways these two formats are practically worthless right now anyways as barely no one has a 1080p capable television.

By the way my PS3 is holding a gun to my head and forcing me to buy Blu Ray.


Yeah, it was the PS2 that changed dvd...Where do you people get this crap?

DVD was being adopoted en-masse before and after PS2 came out through stand alone players, mainly because they dropped in price quickly and entered the sub-150 region much faster than any format before it. That's where people who go to buy a VCR could see the clear distinction in incremental price/performance/feature advantages that DVD offered for a small incremental price difference. Your average JoeSixPack didn't give a crap about the PS2 and doesn't even play games.

If game systems were so key in any movie decision for the average person then the attachment rate for Blu-Ray sales would be significantly higher than 20%.

The add-on is now $179 with 5-free, which is still cheaper than the PS3 and gives people the option of purchasing, which people always like.

Finally, 1080p is largely an illusion. You need a large tv at a close viewing distance (estimates are 50" at less than 7') to see the difference. Considering that most people have a smaller TV and sit further away, it's simply not reasonable to think that there is a huge difference.

That being said, the HDTV market is only at 30% penetration, which makes it a very small niche. Considering the average person still thinks that DVD is awesome, people are having a hard time justifying going to the next step.
 

LegendKiller

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Originally posted by: spacejamz
Originally posted by: LegendKiller
I am sure there'll be an endcap by the holiday season at TGT, but will that be soon enough to stop the bleeding? Who knows yet.

Care to make a gentleman's wager on this?

If Target starts selling HD DVD stand alones in store by Dec 9, I will add 'HD DVD - The Look and Sound of Perfect' to my sig for 60 days. If they don't sell them in store by then, you would add 'Blu Ray - Beyond High Definition' to your sig for 60 days...

Interested?

So, if a two-bit player in the retail CE space (less than 4% marketshare) doesn't sell stand-alones in-store I need to shill BR? Don't think so. It's an asymmetrical bet.


 

spacejamz

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Originally posted by: LegendKiller
Originally posted by: spacejamz
Originally posted by: LegendKiller
I am sure there'll be an endcap by the holiday season at TGT, but will that be soon enough to stop the bleeding? Who knows yet.

Care to make a gentleman's wager on this?

If Target starts selling HD DVD stand alones in store by Dec 9, I will add 'HD DVD - The Look and Sound of Perfect' to my sig for 60 days. If they don't sell them in store by then, you would add 'Blu Ray - Beyond High Definition' to your sig for 60 days...

Interested?

So, if a two-bit player in the retail CE space (less than 4% marketshare) doesn't sell stand-alones in-store I need to shill BR? Don't think so. It's an asymmetrical bet.

I just offered nice, friendly bet since you stated you were sure there would be an endcap at Target by the holiday season...

How is this bet is not fair??? You made a claim that either will happen or it won't happen, so I wanted to find out if you were willing to 'put your money where your mouth is', so to speak...I am prepared to 'shill' for HD DVD if I am wrong...
 

LegendKiller

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Originally posted by: spacejamz
Originally posted by: LegendKiller
Originally posted by: spacejamz
Originally posted by: LegendKiller
I am sure there'll be an endcap by the holiday season at TGT, but will that be soon enough to stop the bleeding? Who knows yet.

Care to make a gentleman's wager on this?

If Target starts selling HD DVD stand alones in store by Dec 9, I will add 'HD DVD - The Look and Sound of Perfect' to my sig for 60 days. If they don't sell them in store by then, you would add 'Blu Ray - Beyond High Definition' to your sig for 60 days...

Interested?

So, if a two-bit player in the retail CE space (less than 4% marketshare) doesn't sell stand-alones in-store I need to shill BR? Don't think so. It's an asymmetrical bet.

I just offered nice, friendly bet since you stated you were sure there would be an endcap at Target by the holiday season...

How is this bet is not fair??? You made a claim that either will happen or it won't happen, so I wanted to find out if you were willing to 'put your money where your mouth is', so to speak...I am prepared to 'shill' for HD DVD if I am wrong...

Think about this for a minute.

TGT is a two-bit CE player at this point. Thus, if I lose, I shill for a format I don't believe in because a nobody only has one side's endcap. yeah, I don't think so.
 

spacejamz

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Originally posted by: LegendKiller
Originally posted by: spacejamz
Originally posted by: LegendKiller
Originally posted by: spacejamz
Originally posted by: LegendKiller
I am sure there'll be an endcap by the holiday season at TGT, but will that be soon enough to stop the bleeding? Who knows yet.

Care to make a gentleman's wager on this?

If Target starts selling HD DVD stand alones in store by Dec 9, I will add 'HD DVD - The Look and Sound of Perfect' to my sig for 60 days. If they don't sell them in store by then, you would add 'Blu Ray - Beyond High Definition' to your sig for 60 days...

Interested?

So, if a two-bit player in the retail CE space (less than 4% marketshare) doesn't sell stand-alones in-store I need to shill BR? Don't think so. It's an asymmetrical bet.

I just offered nice, friendly bet since you stated you were sure there would be an endcap at Target by the holiday season...

How is this bet is not fair??? You made a claim that either will happen or it won't happen, so I wanted to find out if you were willing to 'put your money where your mouth is', so to speak...I am prepared to 'shill' for HD DVD if I am wrong...

Think about this for a minute.

TGT is a two-bit CE player at this point. Thus, if I lose, I shill for a format I don't believe in because a nobody only has one side's endcap. yeah, I don't think so.


No problem....
 

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Originally posted by: LegendKiller

TGT is a two-bit CE player at this point. Thus, if I lose, I shill for a format I don't believe in because a nobody only has one side's endcap. yeah, I don't think so.

Translation: You know that you would lose and that you have been wrong this whole thread.
 

LegendKiller

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Originally posted by: Wreckage
Originally posted by: LegendKiller

TGT is a two-bit CE player at this point. Thus, if I lose, I shill for a format I don't believe in because a nobody only has one side's endcap. yeah, I don't think so.

Translation: You know that you would lose and that you have been wrong this whole thread.

If I lose, I shill for a format I hate. If I win, big fricking deal? It's a 4% CE market player either way, which is meaningless in the grand scheme of things.

I like how you try to speak for me though, tell me, what should I do in the current stock market? Should I short CFC? You're going to give me my answer anyway.
 

cubby1223

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Originally posted by: LegendKiller
Think about this for a minute.

TGT is a two-bit CE player at this point. Thus, if I lose, I shill for a format I don't believe in because a nobody only has one side's endcap. yeah, I don't think so.
You put out a lot of statements to shill for a format you love so dearly, yet when it comes to actually believing in the words you type, you cannot. And that's the whole point.

Why would you type something that you do not believe?
 

LegendKiller

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Originally posted by: cubby1223
Originally posted by: LegendKiller
Think about this for a minute.

TGT is a two-bit CE player at this point. Thus, if I lose, I shill for a format I don't believe in because a nobody only has one side's endcap. yeah, I don't think so.
You put out a lot of statements to shill for a format you love so dearly, yet when it comes to actually believing in the words you type, you cannot. And that's the whole point.

Why would you type something that you do not believe?

I haven't typed one thing I don't firmly believe. I just don't think it matters in this case. Now, if somebody like Wal Mart were to put a BR only display in their store, or BBY or CC, then I would go for the bet. Why? Because at that point one format would be winning essentially and I wouldn't be shilling for one I didn't believe in.

I'm a die-hard Viking fan, always will be, win/lose, no matter what. I am from MN and will always root for the teams there. Essentially what you're saying is that I should put "I love the Packers and I want to marry Brett Favre and they will go the Superbowl and win forever" if they beat Detroit. Not only is their chance of beating Detroit decent, but to me, it's inconsequential, and in addition, it's not germaine to them actually winning the Super Bowl. Now, if they beat somebody like the Patriots, then I'd think that their chance of going to the SB would matter and I might root for them (since are are in the same division). Although I still wouldn't say I wanted to marry Brett Favre.

I hate George Bush. Another analogy is if George Bush votes for...legalizing pot lets say (I have never smoked pot in my life, never will, but I hate the illegalization of it). Would I suddenly vote for him? Hell no, that's one minor issue among millions of major issues that I cannot stand him on.

The bet is stupid. If he made me one about Wal Mart being a supporter, or CC or BBY as I said before, then I'd be doing it. Otherwise, STFU and stop speaking for me.
 

spacejamz

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It was a friendly little wager that is now being called 'stupid'...

As I stated earlier, I wanted to see if you were willing to put your money where you mouth is...we all know the answer to that question now...


 

LegendKiller

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Originally posted by: spacejamz
It was a friendly little wager that is now being called 'stupid'...

As I stated earlier, I wanted to see if you were willing to put your money where you mouth is...we all know the answer to that question now...

Look, I don't take stupid bets. I don't take them online, I don't take them at work, I don't take them "for fun". If I bet, it's going to be because the payoff is worth the risk, not because it's lopsided and doesn't make sense. I live and die by that standard, since my whole professional career is about taking "bets" with hundreds of millions of other people's money and a massive bank's ability to make money.

in perspective and in the spin that you people have put on it, it's a stupid bet. If you hadn't have turned it into a way to try and hang me, put it into a "he won't put his money where his mouth is", or some other moronic attempt to assasinate my character, it would have remained a friendly bet. However, now it's not because a$$holes want to turn what is really an inconsequential event in the overall scheme of things, into a way to manipulate other's opinions to suit their own moronic agenda. All you have proven here is that you guys can turn anything into a nasty, ugly, and black thing to try and shill for a company that really couldn't give two sh!ts less about your opinion or support in the grand scheme of things.

What's pathetic is that, for all of your work and all of your nastyness, you aren't the one getting paid. If you're going to be that lopsided, at least not be a sucker and make some money off of it. I don't even buy clothes with company logos on it because I refuse to give them free advertising. I only support HD-DVD because 1. I can't stand Sony and 2. Because I think it's the better format based upon openness and technical abilities.

What it comes down to is that you'll stoop to anything to try and push your format, including setting people up for idiotic bets and then expecting them to fall for it. WHen they don't, you use them as tools for character assasination.

You guys are great people.
 

dwell

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Originally posted by: LegendKiller
1. I can't stand Sony and 2. Because I think it's the better format based upon openness and technical abilities.

How is HD-DVD "open"?
 

LegendKiller

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Originally posted by: Chris
Originally posted by: LegendKiller
1. I can't stand Sony and 2. Because I think it's the better format based upon openness and technical abilities.

How is HD-DVD "open"?

In the sense that I can order an HD-DVD from anywhere in the world and play it on my player? Which, in fact, I have done with 4 discs. Not to mention that despite my most stringent capitalist leanings, I do not support additional copy protection.
 

spacejamz

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Originally posted by: LegendKiller
Originally posted by: Chris
Originally posted by: LegendKiller
1. I can't stand Sony and 2. Because I think it's the better format based upon openness and technical abilities.

How is HD-DVD "open"?

In the sense that I can order an HD-DVD from anywhere in the world and play it on my player? Which, in fact, I have done with 4 discs. Not to mention that despite my most stringent capitalist leanings, I do not support additional copy protection.

which is pretty much the opposite of what the major studios (at least the blu ray studios anyway) want in order to protect their intellectual property....
 

LegendKiller

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Originally posted by: spacejamz
Originally posted by: LegendKiller
Originally posted by: Chris
Originally posted by: LegendKiller
1. I can't stand Sony and 2. Because I think it's the better format based upon openness and technical abilities.

How is HD-DVD "open"?

In the sense that I can order an HD-DVD from anywhere in the world and play it on my player? Which, in fact, I have done with 4 discs. Not to mention that despite my most stringent capitalist leanings, I do not support additional copy protection.

which is pretty much the opposite of what the major studios (at least the blu ray studios anyway) want in order to protect their intellectual property....

That's fine, I'll go with the one that gives me more options. Why choose one that won't?
 

spacejamz

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Pretty good read...blog from a blu ray site, but pretty much hits the nail on the head....

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July 29, 2007
Blu in the Face
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Wow, last week's flood of announcements and stories favoring Blu-ray Disc was probably the biggest surge for the format since Disney, Fox, and almost every hardware manufacturer signed on several years ago.

Already riding recent announcements by Blockbuster to stock Blu-ray exclusively in most of its stores and Sony dropping the price of one of its Blu-ray players and its 60 GB PlayStation 3 to $499, last week brought the following developments within just a few days:

* Target, the nation's 2nd largest retailer, chose Blu-ray as the first high-def disc player to sell in its stores this fall and during the holidays.

* Steven Spielberg chose Blu-ray as the format on which to introduce the first hi-def disc version of one of his vast library of blockbuster hits -- a special "Ultimate Edition" of "Close Encounters of the Third Kind" exclusively on Blu-ray -- even though almost all of his biggest films are distributed by Universal, the only major studio refusing to release in Blu-ray and yet to release a Spielberg film in HD DVD.

* BJ's Wholesale Club is reportedly removing all HD DVD product from the shelves in its 170 stores in order to feature Blu-ray exclusively, according to Video Business. We hear the timeline is set for October, timed for the all-important fourth quarter.

* Thieves in Seattle chose Blu-ray over HD DVD when they reportedly walked past a section of HD DVD movies in a Silver Platters store in the Northgate section of Seattle to steal an entire section of 200 Blu-ray movies with a retail value of $7,000.

Of course, the last item was more amusing than truly indicative of anything relevant to the format battle between Blu-ray and HD DVD. But hey, one has to assume that thieves have a good idea of what they can most easily sell.

And, of course, the HD DVD camp and fanboys downplay each of the other announcements, noting that the Target deal is for a single endcap display and that Target will continue to sell both Blu-ray and HD DVD movies. And, like Blockbuster, BJ's will offer both Blu-ray and HD DVD movies online.
But the point is that when retailers need to make a choice based on space or when the country's 2nd biggest mass merchant makes a choice for a promotional endcap display in one of the most valuable pieces of real estate in its stores during the most lucrative holiday season, they are choosing Blu-ray every time, not HD DVD.

And when Spielberg, who could have insisted that Universal release "Jurassic Park" or "Jaws" or most any of his movies on HD DVD as a show of solidarity for the format and for the studio he has called home for nearly four decades to represent the filmmaker's debut on hi-def disc, he opted instead to have Sony release one of the few movies he released through that studio. (Universal could not have picked a worse time to stand alone in trying to use its clout to sway the industry and conusmers to HD DVD -- the studio not only lost DreamWorks as a partner but its own slate of movies in the past year has been weak enough to drop Universal to the last of the six major studios in market share.)

HD DVD has not been completely absent any favorable developments in recent weeks and days, but most are mitigated by various factors. For instance, Toshiba dropped the price of its lowest-priced HD DVD player to $299, but Toshiba is the only major manufacturer selling HD DVD machines exclusively since it is the primary proponent of HD DVD, as compared to all the other biggest and most trusted electronics companies backing Blu-ray, from Sony, Panasonic and Pioneer, to Philips, Samsung and many others.

Last week Microsoft knocked $20 off the price of the HD DVD add-on drive for the Xbox 360, which sounds like a nice little gesture but that still leaves consumers having to spend $400 for the Xbox 360 videogame player with even a basic 20 GB hard drive and another $180 for the add-on HD DVD player, as compared to the all-in-one and much more robust PlayStation 3 (60 GB) for $499.

Most of the biggest upcoming hi-def disc titles announced in recent days, such as "Cars," "Pirates of the Carribean: At World's End," "Close Encounters of the Third Kind," and "Spider-Man 3," will be available only on Blu-ray. And if and when the Fox logjam breaks, which rumblings amongst insiders indicate may be soon, expect additional Fox summer hits led by "The Simpsons Movie" (opened at a whopping $72 million last weekend), "Live Free or Die Hard" and "Fantastic Four: Rise of the Silver Surfer."
Meanwhile, almost all the major new HD DVD titles will also be released simultaneously on Blu-ray, including "300" and Ridley Scott's latest and definitive cut of "Blade Runner."

Paramount did announce last week what initially appeared like a potential HD DVD exclusive -- the first season of the original "Star Trek" TV series. But Paramount execs quickly noted that while the series will initially be released only on HD DVD, a Blu-ray version is in the works as well.

As for the publicity and marketing battle, Sony and Disney had dynamic Blu-ray exhibits at Comic-Con last week and Disney is launching a nationwide 18-city mall tour over the next 4 months that allows consumers to get a hands-on look and feel of all that Blu-ray has to offer, while Toshiba is running a new commercial on TV featuring Michael Imperioli endorsing Toshiba's HD DVD player.

Michael Imperioli? The actor whose "Sopranos" series just ended?

Hmmm, it's not exactly comparable to Spielberg choosing Blu-ray.

 

dwell

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Originally posted by: LegendKiller
Originally posted by: Chris
Originally posted by: LegendKiller
1. I can't stand Sony and 2. Because I think it's the better format based upon openness and technical abilities.

How is HD-DVD "open"?

In the sense that I can order an HD-DVD from anywhere in the world and play it on my player? Which, in fact, I have done with 4 discs. Not to mention that despite my most stringent capitalist leanings, I do not support additional copy protection.

That does not make it "open". It's still is caked with DRM. You still cannot copy the discs (legally). You still cannot make a HD-DVD drive without licensing the technology. You still cannot press a HD-DVD disc with HD-DVD logo without a license. All it means is you can watch region-free films and with HD-DVD getting the shaft from 75% of Hollywood, LOL, you're going to need to watch imports :laugh: