Target to Promote Blu-Ray DVD Format Only In Store

[LegendKiller]

Originally posted by: Rio Rebel

The A2 is a great player, there are hardly any people who complain about it on avsforums.

This is an absolute lie. I can't believe you would accuse someone of FUDD after saying something like this.

I don't understand some of you who will say absolutely anything in defense of their format, and then make gross generalizations and misrepresentations about the other format (as in, how all the BD players are hopelessly obsolete because they won't do pip directors' comments).

I shudder to think what harm you will do to yourself when HD-DVD dies, which it will most inevitably do.

Show me where on avsforums people are complaining to no end about the HD-A2. Link please.

 

[Rio Rebel]

Most of the complaints were when it was first released. Even now, though, there are still quite a few complaints.

And there is one big thread dedicated to A2 problems:

A2 problems thread with 20 pages of responses

By the way, I have no doubt you will argue every bit of evidence I present, so I don't intend to go through that charade with you. I made a claim that you challenged, so I backed it up. People can read those links and draw their own conclusions.

 

[Slammy1]

Honestly, I do not have any preference at this time. Sitting on a 1080p display I upconvert on my PC for now until the format is decided or a dual format player becomes available at a reasonable price. Until then, I can wait (and I'll build a PC to do it when the time comes).

Anyway, preferences aside, read this thread.
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb...?t=882562&highlight=a2

Seems a preference for HD. AVS people tend to hate all things Sony...

 

[LegendKiller]

Originally posted by: Rio Rebel
Most of the complaints were when it was first released. Even now, though, there are still quite a few complaints.

And there is one big thread dedicated to A2 problems:

A2 problems thread with 20 pages of responses

By the way, I have no doubt you will argue every bit of evidence I present, so I don't intend to go through that charade with you. I made a claim that you challenged, so I backed it up. People can read those links and draw their own conclusions.

Yeah, stuff like "handshake issues" are mostly HDMI related. My Pio 82 had poor HDMI support initially and needed a firmware upgrade. Slow loading is common with next-gen players and isn't a huge deal. Some of it sounds like HDMI->DVI problems, which mostly results from HDMI still being fluky.

You have yet to show me any significant problems. It's pathetic that you call it a crappy player but can't provide anything significant to back it up beyond any problems any normal new hardware has, most of which have been fixed through firmware upgrades already. You're telling me that I can't go into the BR thread and find threats hammering the PS3 or any other BR hardware?


Get a fricking clue about this. You're no better than the people going on Amazon and posting 1-star reviews for either format.

This war has really brought out the worst in people. All they can do is sit around smearing each side's hardware. It's like they think it's personal. Look at the crap above with this utterly ridiculous "bet". Please. If you're going to post that something is crappy, it'd better be more than people with normal technology issues.

My Pio 82 had the same problems as the 84.

This thread has 41 pages

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb...=11183630#post11183630

This one has 101

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=696586

This one has 40

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb...=11169776#post11169776


Now, I highly doubt anybody would call most of those issues "piece of crap" issues. Mainly because there's a lot of HDMI issues and other issues that are common. Yet, somehow, with relatively minor issues, the HD-A2, gets a "piece of crap" title.

If you google "play station problems" you get 6.1m hits.

 

[A5]

Anyone who roots for one mega-conglomerate to beat another is a tool. Best case scenario is that they fight each other to the death and by that time we get enough bandwidth to download/stream HD movies.

 

[Rio Rebel]

The link I provided includes a lot more than HDMI issues, including disks not playing and audio skipping. Legendkiller will misrepresent anything to make his point. I am through with that guy. I encourage anyone reading this to actually click the link and read for yourself.

 

[Wreckage]

Originally posted by: Rio Rebel
The link I provided includes a lot more than HDMI issues, including disks not playing and audio skipping. Legendkiller will misrepresent anything to make his point. I am through with that guy. I encourage anyone reading this to actually click the link and read for yourself.

Yeah I can't tell if He's intentionally trolling or if he is just not old enough to understand what the adults are talking about.

The A2 is a stripped down base model that insults the term "next gen". If you truly must get a HD-DVD player, do yourself a favor and get a XA2. Why HD-DVD does not fully support 1080p is beyond me.

 

[dwell]

Originally posted by: LegendKiller
You have yet to show me any significant problems. It's pathetic that you call it a crappy player but can't provide anything significant to back it up beyond any problems any normal new hardware has, most of which have been fixed through firmware upgrades already. You're telling me that I can't go into the BR thread and find threats hammering the PS3 or any other BR hardware?

A 1080i "HD" player is a crappy player. Especially considering it lacks the proper outputs (analog audio) anyone who would be in the market for a low-end product might require. It's also slow. You get what you pay for.

 

[LegendKiller]

Originally posted by: Wreckage

Originally posted by: Rio Rebel
The link I provided includes a lot more than HDMI issues, including disks not playing and audio skipping. Legendkiller will misrepresent anything to make his point. I am through with that guy. I encourage anyone reading this to actually click the link and read for yourself.

Yeah I can't tell if He's intentionally trolling or if he is just not old enough to understand what the adults are talking about.

The A2 is a stripped down base model that insults the term "next gen". If you truly must get a HD-DVD player, do yourself a favor and get a XA2. Why HD-DVD does not fully support 1080p is beyond me.

Yeah, that's it, I'm a kid. Please, I'm 28, work on Wall St., have an MBA, my CFA charter, and an undergrad in psychology. I'm far from a kid.

Wow, it doesn't support 1080p, BFD? 1080p makes almost no difference on anything less than a 50" on anything greater than 7' viewing space. It just doesn't matter.

As far as the connections for analog outputs, I'd also wish they had included that for more people to properly get TrueHD. However, anybody doing their research can find this out and get a different player. It's no more strippped down than the lowest BD player. It's not that slow. Heck, I just hit my Harmony, go to the cab. to get a disc, come back and it's on. Sure, it's not instant-on, but the delay is not a huge detail, it's marginally slower than the BD players on the market.

 

[dwell]

Originally posted by: LegendKiller
1080p makes almost no difference on anything less than a 50" on anything greater than 7' viewing space. It just doesn't matter.

Patently false. We can argue at length about the scientific data showing that 1080p content is not discernible from 720p content at further than 5 feet away. I'm not going to go there.

Where I am going to go is by saying just about every HDTV worth a damn manufactured in 2007 forward is 1920x1080 native. This means that 720p content will be scaled to 1080p on those sets (or, rendered interlaced at 1080i). If you don't think that's a problem, then your being willfully ignorant to protect your bias.

I have a 1080p native set. I am not going to pay $300 for a device that can't render progressively to my set's native resolution. 1080p or nothing.

 

[LegendKiller]

Originally posted by: Chris

Originally posted by: LegendKiller
1080p makes almost no difference on anything less than a 50" on anything greater than 7' viewing space. It just doesn't matter.

Patently false. We can argue at length about the scientific data showing that 1080p content is not discernible from 720p content at further than 5 feet away. I'm not going to go there.

Where I am going to go is by saying just about every HDTV worth a damn manufactured in 2007 forward is 1920x1080 native. This means that 720p content will be scaled to 1080p on those sets (or, rendered interlaced at 1080i). If you don't think that's a problem, then your being willfully ignorant to protect your bias.

I have a 1080p native set. I am not going to pay $300 for a device that can't render progressively to my set's native resolution. 1080p or nothing.

Ahh, here's where it gets good.

1. Most HDTVs already deployed are probably mostly *not* 1080p, thus, the people looking for them are going to not need 1080p.

2. Most HDTVs deployed are probably not bigger than 50".

3. Those that are can purchase the HD-A20 or the AX2, or even the recently appeared 3rd gen players on Amazon that'll include the gradiated structure.

Calling a player "crap" because it presents a different tiered structure to consumers is akin to calling any car underneath a BMW crap because it's cheaper and has less features. This only goes to show how far people are willing to go to denegrate something that they dont' like. It's funny that you guys are acting kinda like a snobbish BMW owner, considering your car doesn't even have half the features that that "crap" player does (internet connectivity, full specs...etc, unless you have PS3).

You know what the difference between a BMW and a porcupine is? On a porcupine the prick is on the outside.

Apply that to BD owners.

 

[Genx87]

Originally posted by: A5
Anyone who roots for one mega-conglomerate to beat another is a tool. Best case scenario is that they fight each other to the death and by that time we get enough bandwidth to download/stream HD movies.

This is a very plausible possibility with cable and telco companies trying to string fiber to the home to provide on demand programming.

It could very well be in the end both are beat out by a totally different format. Much like MP3s took a huge chuck out of CD sales.

 

[Rio Rebel]

Deleted.

I said I was through with it, and I'm going to stick by that. Enjoy the thread.

 

[lupi]

Reading these format threads is quit entertaining

Listened to a WSJ report this morning about Sony and Toshiba. Said Sony was so in the red over its backing of bluray that if it wasn't such a cornerstone for the PS3 they'd expect the company to drop it. Toshiba is also losing some money but they have more players out at a lower production cost and their monetary lost amount is such a small portion compared to what Sony is draining into their format support that Toshiba is not likely to drop its format anytime soon; not just to keep up sales but for the sake of bleeding Sony more.

 

[lupi]

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[Blayze]

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: A5
Anyone who roots for one mega-conglomerate to beat another is a tool. Best case scenario is that they fight each other to the death and by that time we get enough bandwidth to download/stream HD movies.

This is a very plausible possibility with cable and telco companies trying to string fiber to the home to provide on demand programming.

It could very well be in the end both are beat out by a totally different format. Much like MP3s took a huge chuck out of CD sales.

While this is great, I really hope it doesn't replace discs. As far as movies I want the disc sitting on my shelf. Sorry, but no thanks to movie downloads.

HD DVD is far from dead (as long as Universal stays HD DVD exclusive), but it really looks like Blu-ray will win. If there is a winner.

The Gen 3 Toshiba players should be out around the holidays. They were posted on Amazon for preorder for awhile. That should drive the price of the current Gen 2 players down even more.