Target to Promote Blu-Ray DVD Format Only In Store

[LegendKiller]

Originally posted by: Chris

Originally posted by: LegendKiller

Originally posted by: Chris

Originally posted by: LegendKiller
1. I can't stand Sony and 2. Because I think it's the better format based upon openness and technical abilities.

How is HD-DVD "open"?

In the sense that I can order an HD-DVD from anywhere in the world and play it on my player? Which, in fact, I have done with 4 discs. Not to mention that despite my most stringent capitalist leanings, I do not support additional copy protection.

That does not make it "open". It's still is caked with DRM. You still cannot copy the discs (legally). You still cannot make a HD-DVD drive without licensing the technology. You still cannot press a HD-DVD disc with HD-DVD logo without a license. All it means is you can watch region-free films and with HD-DVD getting the shaft from 75% of Hollywood, LOL, you're going to need to watch imports :laugh:

So if one format is at 100% and another is at 95%, you're still going to pay double the price for 85% (5% for region lock, 5% for unfinished spec and planned obsolescense, 5% for neutered discs (ala 300)) Sorry, that doesn't work for me.

If you want to pay 2x as much for 85% the player, go right ahead. I guess people bought into eToys.com and other .bombs too. Their's always a fool in the crowd willing to overpay for an under featured item.

 

[dwell]

Originally posted by: LegendKiller
So if one format is at 100% and another is at 95%, you're still going to pay double the price for 85% (5% for region lock, 5% for unfinished spec and planned obsolescense, 5% for neutered discs (ala 300)) Sorry, that doesn't work for me.

Actually, me and about five-million other people bought a future-proof player that exceed the 2.0 Profile for Blu-Ray. Not to mention it completely wipes the floor with any stand-alone player (HD-DVD or Blu-Ray) as far as performance goes. Can your HD-DVD drive decode 40.0 Mbit/s video? My Blu-Ray player can.

 

[cubby1223]

Originally posted by: LegendKiller

Originally posted by: Chris

Originally posted by: LegendKiller

Originally posted by: Chris

Originally posted by: LegendKiller
1. I can't stand Sony and 2. Because I think it's the better format based upon openness and technical abilities.

How is HD-DVD "open"?

In the sense that I can order an HD-DVD from anywhere in the world and play it on my player? Which, in fact, I have done with 4 discs. Not to mention that despite my most stringent capitalist leanings, I do not support additional copy protection.

That does not make it "open". It's still is caked with DRM. You still cannot copy the discs (legally). You still cannot make a HD-DVD drive without licensing the technology. You still cannot press a HD-DVD disc with HD-DVD logo without a license. All it means is you can watch region-free films and with HD-DVD getting the shaft from 75% of Hollywood, LOL, you're going to need to watch imports :laugh:

So if one format is at 100% and another is at 95%, you're still going to pay double the price for 85% (5% for region lock, 5% for unfinished spec and planned obsolescense, 5% for neutered discs (ala 300)) Sorry, that doesn't work for me.

If you want to pay 2x as much for 85% the player, go right ahead. I guess people bought into eToys.com and other .bombs too. Their's always a fool in the crowd willing to overpay for an under featured item.

Excellent job of consistently switching subjects when the discussion starts getting down to defining what the base facts are. And this time you decided to go with, let's see... the ever popular "Blu-ray players are obsolete" FUD tactic. Very intelligent. :roll:

 

[dwell]

Check out these excellent features the HD-DVD version of 300 offers:

Finally, in a nod to unabashed capitalism, '300' is also the first next-gen title ever to provide viewers with one-click access to buy film-specific merchandise. Thanks to the miracle of HD DVD, you can now "take '300' with you wherever you go!" by using the disc's web interface to purchase custom wallpaper and ringtones for your mobile phone. Of course, you could do this on any old PC, too, so aside from the novelty factor this is hardly much of a "feature." Still, I can't wait until my HD DVD player starts to try selling me Harry Potter plush toys...

http://hddvd.highdefdigest.com/300.html

Yeah, it's killing me not having those extended features. Killing me.

 

[LegendKiller]

Originally posted by: Chris

Originally posted by: LegendKiller
So if one format is at 100% and another is at 95%, you're still going to pay double the price for 85% (5% for region lock, 5% for unfinished spec and planned obsolescense, 5% for neutered discs (ala 300)) Sorry, that doesn't work for me.

Actually, me and about five-million other people bought a future-proof player that exceed the 2.0 Profile for Blu-Ray. Not to mention it completely wipes the floor with any stand-alone player (HD-DVD or Blu-Ray) as far as performance goes. Can your HD-DVD drive decode 40.0 Mbit/s video? My Blu-Ray player can.

Can your car go 150mph? Mine can. Does it matter? No.

 

[LegendKiller]

Originally posted by: Chris
Check out these excellent features the HD-DVD version of 300 offers:

Finally, in a nod to unabashed capitalism, '300' is also the first next-gen title ever to provide viewers with one-click access to buy film-specific merchandise. Thanks to the miracle of HD DVD, you can now "take '300' with you wherever you go!" by using the disc's web interface to purchase custom wallpaper and ringtones for your mobile phone. Of course, you could do this on any old PC, too, so aside from the novelty factor this is hardly much of a "feature." Still, I can't wait until my HD DVD player starts to try selling me Harry Potter plush toys...

http://hddvd.highdefdigest.com/300.html

Yeah, it's killing me not having those extended features. Killing me.

Wow, that's great. Pick on one item and ignore almost all of the rest, including PIP features. Nice way of skewing you paying a lot for something that is crippled.

Pay more, get less. Great! Hey, I have some great beach-front sunny property in Antarctica, I am sure with your way of looking at things I could get a couple ten thousand per acre.

 

[dwell]

Originally posted by: LegendKiller
Wow, that's great. Pick on one item and ignore almost all of the rest, including PIP features. Nice way of skewing you paying a lot for something that is crippled.

Pay more, get less. Great! Hey, I have some great beach-front sunny property in Antarctica, I am sure with your way of looking at things I could get a couple ten thousand per acre.

Is that why the Blu-Ray version of 300 is outselling the HD-Dvd version?

http://www.eproductwars.com/dvd/

Hint: 95% of the reason you buy a DVD is for the actual film. Not many people care about gimmicky extras. Nice that you pay an extra $5 for extras you'll probably graze over once. Sales figures reflect that fact that nobody cares about HD-DVD's online features an PIP gimmicks.

 

[LegendKiller]

Originally posted by: Chris

Originally posted by: LegendKiller
Wow, that's great. Pick on one item and ignore almost all of the rest, including PIP features. Nice way of skewing you paying a lot for something that is crippled.

Pay more, get less. Great! Hey, I have some great beach-front sunny property in Antarctica, I am sure with your way of looking at things I could get a couple ten thousand per acre.

Is that why the Blu-Ray version of 300 is outselling the HD-Dvd version?

http://www.eproductwars.com/dvd/

Hint: 95% of the reason you buy a DVD is for the actual film. Not many people care about gimmicky extras. Nice that you pay an extra $5 for extras you'll probably graze over once. Sales figures reflect that fact that nobody cares about HD-DVD's online features an PIP gimmicks.

With a 10:1 deployment rate I'd fricking hope that they would sell more. Wouldn't that be pathetic if they didn't? Personally, anything better than a 2:1 ratio is doing pretty dang good for HD-DVD.

However, I a sure you're too dense to figure that out.

 

[dwell]

Originally posted by: LegendKiller
With a 10:1 deployment rate I'd fricking hope that they would sell more. Wouldn't that be pathetic if they didn't? Personally, anything better than a 2:1 ratio is doing pretty dang good for HD-DVD.

However, I a sure you're too dense to figure that out.

Yeah, I didn't go to B-school with the top industry analysts like you :roll:

So, you finally admit HD-DVD is getting its ass handed to it by Blu-Ray?

 

[LegendKiller]

Originally posted by: Chris

Originally posted by: LegendKiller
With a 10:1 deployment rate I'd fricking hope that they would sell more. Wouldn't that be pathetic if they didn't? Personally, anything better than a 2:1 ratio is doing pretty dang good for HD-DVD.

However, I a sure you're too dense to figure that out.

Yeah, I didn't go to B-school with the top industry analysts like you :roll:

So, you finally admit HD-DVD is getting its ass handed to it by Blu-Ray?

Yeah, that's it. Getting it's ass handed to it. Just as much as Apple is getting it's ass handed by Microsoft...

Just in case you didn't get it the first time, can't read, or just don't want to think, here it is again.

PS3 sold 92k consoles last month. At 20% attachment rate that's equiv to about 18k stand-alones. If BDA sells another 20k stand-alones, then HD-DVD only has to sell 38k stand-alones + 360 add-ons to keep up. Now, considering their past rate of sales and their acceleration, I am sure they are meeting that.

Naturally, since the initial PS3 surge, they are behind the curve, but anything over that 38k amount catches up. If 1 extra HD-DVD stand-alone is sold it's worth more than 5 more PS3s. It'll take a long time to catch up, but I think even maintaining that ratio is dang good.

Of course, you'll never provide any logic to the contrary, since I have posted this and other analysis several times and you dittoheads always "overlook" it. What that tells me is that you have nothing better to argue than to run around posting moronic half-posts with 1-liners or other such tripe while lacking anything of substance.

 

[cubby1223]

Guys, don't even bother responding to him. I pegged him in another thread proof positive that he is completely unwilling to acknowledge even the basic differences between fact and opinion. His only goal is to incite reactions. There's absolutely no other explanation. Quite frankly, I even question the whole "I hate Sony" attitude. It's all in the forum's search history.

 

[LegendKiller]

It's interesting that the #1 ranked DVD player is an HD-DVD player, the other two Toshibas are in the top10 also. The highest ranking BD player, the BD-1200, doesn't even crack the Top10. Somehow I wonder if everybody buying the 3 players in the top10 are idiots? Could it be that the only way blu-ray is even hanging on is because the PS3? Could it be that the PS3's sucky selling rate will not even hold it against 3 top 10 players? If it's a dead format, then why are three in the top 10? I guess that sucks for a format getting its "ass kicked".



Typical cubby reply, no facts, no figures, no rebuttal, no logic. No analysis at all, just attack the messenger, not the message. I am assuming you guys never took a debate class or were in a debate club? Good thing you aren't bankers or lawyers, you're so bad at supporting you're case you'd be one of the winos I occasionally chuck a quarter at in the subway. (Yes, there's an attack also, but at least my analysis is above)

 

[dwell]

Originally posted by: LegendKiller
PS3 sold 92k consoles last month. At 20% attachment rate that's equiv to about 18k stand-alones. If BDA sells another 20k stand-alones, then HD-DVD only has to sell 38k stand-alones + 360 add-ons to keep up. Now, considering their past rate of sales and their acceleration, I am sure they are meeting that.

Save you University of Phoenix online MBA bullsh*t for someone without a brain.

1) PS3 sales are up at least 135% since the price drop.
2) You're pulling the 20% attach rate out of your ass.
3) There's ~5M PS3s globally, less than 1M stand-alone HD-DVD drives.
4) Software sales for Blu-Ray are about to bury HD-DVD software sales thanks to the PS3 price drop + the five free disc deal.
5) Sony can drop stand-alone Blu-Ray player price at any time. They just don't want to cannibalize PS3 sales ATM.
6) Blu-Ray is exclusively supported by five major studios. HD-DVD is only exclusively supported by one.
7) Target is heavily promoting Blu-Ray stand-alone players this Christmas.
8) BJ's Wholesale Club is supporting Blu-Ray exclusively.
9) Woolworth's (UK) is supporting Blu-Ray exclusively.
10) Blockbuster is supporting Blu-Ray exclusively in 1,700 of their stores.
11) No retailer is exclusively supporting HD-DVD.
12) Spielberg just got behind Blu-Ray.
13) Toshiba is the only manufacturer making stand-alone HD-DVD drives.
14) Sony, Samsung, Philips, Panasonic, Pioneer, LG, Sharp, Lite-On, Mitsubishi, and Denon make Blu-Ray drives.

QED mofo.

 

[LegendKiller]

Originally posted by: Chris

Originally posted by: LegendKiller
PS3 sold 92k consoles last month. At 20% attachment rate that's equiv to about 18k stand-alones. If BDA sells another 20k stand-alones, then HD-DVD only has to sell 38k stand-alones + 360 add-ons to keep up. Now, considering their past rate of sales and their acceleration, I am sure they are meeting that.

Save you University of Phoenix online MBA bullsh*t for someone without a brain.

1) PS3 sales are up at least 135% since the price drop.
2) You're pulling the 20% attach rate out of your ass.
3) There's ~5M PS3s globally, less than 1M stand-alone HD-DVD drives.
4) Software sales for Blu-Ray are about to bury HD-DVD software sales thanks to the PS3 price drop + the five free disc deal.
5) Sony can drop stand-alone Blu-Ray player price at any time. They just don't want to cannibalize PS3 sales ATM.
6) Blu-Ray is exclusively supported by five major studios. HD-DVD is only exclusively supported by one.
7) Target is heavily promoting Blu-Ray stand-alone players this Christmas.
8) BJ's Wholesale Club is supporting Blu-Ray exclusively.
9) Woolworth's (UK) is supporting Blu-Ray exclusively.
10) Blockbuster is supporting Blu-Ray exclusively in 1,700 of their stores.
11) No retailer is exclusively supporting HD-DVD.
12) Spielberg just got behind Blu-Ray.
13) Toshiba is the only manufacturer making stand-alone HD-DVD drives.
14) Sony, Samsung, Philips, Panasonic, Pioneer, LG, Sharp, Lite-On, Mitsubishi, and Denon make Blu-Ray drives.

QED mofo.

Ohhh snap, you got me on the Phoenix Online, great one!

1. So now they're breaking 200k? Wow! That's like...40k HD-DVD stand-alones, you go girl!

2. No it isn't, it's actually easy math, for me at least with my Phoenix online degree. 10:1 deployment advantage, 2:1 sales advantage. 2 is 1/5th of 10, thus 20%, which has been verified by industry insiders. Tough ain't it!

3. That's fine, disks are what makes money and they aren't selling nearly as many discs as they should be. Sucks to be them.

4. Got proof?

5. Ahhh yes, because *so* many people buy the PS3 for it's blu-ray playing capability. Sorry, but at 20%, NOT MANY DO!

6. And BD still only manages marginal disc sales while having marginal advantage in discs available for purchase. Fox and Disney are marginal in the area too.

7. Now it's "heavily promoting" tell me, where did they say in their non-existent press release "heavily promoting" ohh yes, it must have been in that BDA release that skewed the situation where they paid for an end-cap, which Toshiba can easily do also. Not to mention they are still selling HD-DVD online and have the add-on in store. While only having a 4% CE marketshare in the US, mostly contained to low-margin, high-volume, discounted stuff. Nice spin though.

8. Wow, BJ's and their plethoric 170 stores who has less than 10% of the discounting marketshare. WOW! 90% still doesn't exclusively feature any other.

9. Not Woolworth's *GASP*, who has less than 20% of the UK's retail space.

10. OHH GAWD NO. NOt BBI, which is barely alive thanks to it losing cash hand over fist and losing money almost every quarter. They are still building an online catalog. Lets not forget they just shut down one of their better features, in-store exchange, while raising subscription rates. Meanwhile Netflix is doing OK and still making money! Don't forget, BBI just shut down a bunch of stores *AND* fired it's CEO. OHH SNAP!

11. So what?

12. He didn't "get behind blu-ray" for all we know he'll release HD-DVD's through universal any minute since CE3K was just announced. That's the only video outside of Universal distro.

13. Obviously the numbers there don't matter if they aren't selling. Who gives a crap if a lot of people make something if nobody wants to buy it.

 

[dwell]

1) That's if you go by the attach rate you pulled out of your ass (see #2).

2) You're still making it up. The PS3 must have a 2.5:1 attach rate because it has 41% the install rate of the 360 which has a 6:1 attach rate. Oh wait, it doesn't work that way!

3) BD is outselling HD-DVD by a wide margin. That's all that matters.

4) Padding NPD numbers is fun. That's what Toshiba tried to do with the 5-disc deal but it came back to bite them in the ass when the BDA followed suit. You're a big-time analyst. Don't you get the full NPDs? The proof will be there next month.

5) Again, pulling 20% out of your ass. Please back it up with actual figures or retract the assertion.

6) See #3

7) Doesn't the big-time analyst know what an "end cap" is?

8) That's 10% HD-DVD ain't getting.

9) That's 20% HD-DVD ain't getting.

10) That's 1,700 stores HD-DVD won't be in.

11) Kind of telling that no retailer on Earth has confidence enough in HD-DVD to exclusively back it.

12) Proof. The face that he is only releasing CE3K (the only non-Universal title) is a pretty good sign he has no confidence in HD-DVD.

13) But the are not selling. They are selling 10x less than Blu-Ray players, by your own admission.

14) Nice to ignore that 10 manufactures are making stand-alone BD drives while only 1 company is making HD-DVD drives.

Do you really think HD-DVD has a snowball's chance in hell with 5 studios backing the competition and 10 CE companies behind the competition?

Your problem is:

1) You hate Sony.
2) You don't want to lose your $300 investment.

Suck it up, HD-DVD lost.

 

[Genx87]

For the simple minded.

First stand alone player to make it to the sub 150 price point wins the format war. Volume from the masses will dictate this, not some music studio executive.

 

[dwell]

Originally posted by: Genx87
For the simple minded.

First stand alone player to make it to the sub 150 price point wins the format war. Volume from the masses will dictate this, not some music studio executive.

A $150 player is pretty useless without content. The five studios have so much interest vested in Blu-Ray they are not switching sides until the bitter end. Once Universal jumps ship HD-DVD players become nothing but glorified DVD upscalers.

 

[Genx87]

Originally posted by: Chris

Originally posted by: Genx87
For the simple minded.

First stand alone player to make it to the sub 150 price point wins the format war. Volume from the masses will dictate this, not some music studio executive.

A $150 player is pretty useless without content. The five studios have so much interest vested in Blu-Ray they are not switching sides until the bitter end. Once Universal jumps ship HD-DVD players become nothing but glorified DVD upscalers.

The studios will have to be brain dead to not switch if the players are HD-DVD. Otherwise they can sit on their ass for the next decade and hope people buy enough 500 dollar blu ray players that Blu Ray can out pace DVD. Fat chance but I guess they can certainly try.

Right now the best case scenario is HD-DVD content(BluRay and HD-DVD) will own about 45% of the market by 2012. They both have to crack DVD before they can crack each other.

 

[dwell]

Originally posted by: Genx87
The studios will have to be brain dead to not switch if the players are HD-DVD. Otherwise they can sit on their ass for the next decade and hope people buy enough 500 dollar blu ray players that Blu Ray can out pace DVD. Fat chance but I guess they can certainly try.

There's no reason Blu-Ray players can't be at the same price as HD-DVD players. Toshiba is selling ultra-crap players at a loss to try and gain market share. The BDA is confident enough to sell quality product at its worth because the PS3 is their ace in the hole for the moment. If HD-DVD ever became a real threat there's always the option to sell crap low-end players to cut the legs out from under HD-DVD.

 

[LegendKiller]

Originally posted by: Chris

Originally posted by: Genx87
The studios will have to be brain dead to not switch if the players are HD-DVD. Otherwise they can sit on their ass for the next decade and hope people buy enough 500 dollar blu ray players that Blu Ray can out pace DVD. Fat chance but I guess they can certainly try.

There's no reason Blu-Ray players can't be at the same price as HD-DVD players. Toshiba is selling ultra-crap players at a loss to try and gain market share. The BDA is confident enough to sell quality product at its worth because the PS3 is their ace in the hole for the moment. If HD-DVD ever became a real threat there's always the option to sell crap low-end players to cut the legs out from under HD-DVD.

Ultra-crap players? Show me one Toshiba player that is "ultra-crap"? Considering that even the lowest price player, the HD-A2, has more features than the lowest price BR player, I find that hard to believe. Additionally, you have no proof that they are selling it for a loss, when there is more than ample proof that Sony is selling the PS3 for a significant loss, as evidenced by the more than 2bn loss that division has taken since loss.

 

[dwell]

Originally posted by: LegendKiller
Ultra-crap players? Show me one Toshiba player that is "ultra-crap"? Considering that even the lowest price player, the HD-A2, has more features than the lowest price BR player, I find that hard to believe. Additionally, you have no proof that they are selling it for a loss, when there is more than ample proof that Sony is selling the PS3 for a significant loss, as evidenced by the more than 2bn loss that division has taken since loss.

Really, the 1080i wonder (HD-A2) is more capable than the lowest cost BD player? Yeah, interlacing artifacts are what I look for in a hidef player.

http://www.pcworld.com/article/id,130023/article.html

In Mission: Impossible III, Tom Cruise uses some fancy gadgetry to help him run up a brick wall. That's impressive in 1080p. But interlacing artifacts, as seen in the Toshiba HD-A2's 1080i playback, cause the wall to vibrate, making M:I3 downright psychedelic. And I don't mean that in a good way.

Awesome player.

 

[LegendKiller]

Originally posted by: Chris

Originally posted by: LegendKiller
Ultra-crap players? Show me one Toshiba player that is "ultra-crap"? Considering that even the lowest price player, the HD-A2, has more features than the lowest price BR player, I find that hard to believe. Additionally, you have no proof that they are selling it for a loss, when there is more than ample proof that Sony is selling the PS3 for a significant loss, as evidenced by the more than 2bn loss that division has taken since loss.

Really, the 1080i wonder (HD-A2) is more capable than the lowest cost BD player? Yeah, interlacing artifacts are what I look for in a hidef player.

http://www.pcworld.com/article/id,130023/article.html

In Mission: Impossible III, Tom Cruise uses some fancy gadgetry to help him run up a brick wall. That's impressive in 1080p. But interlacing artifacts, as seen in the Toshiba HD-A2's 1080i playback, cause the wall to vibrate, making M:I3 downright psychedelic. And I don't mean that in a good way.

Awesome player.

Wow, artifacts on one disc! GASP! You're telling me that BD players don't have a single problem like that? Please.

 

[Wreckage]

Originally posted by: Chris

Originally posted by: LegendKiller
Ultra-crap players? Show me one Toshiba player that is "ultra-crap"? Considering that even the lowest price player, the HD-A2, has more features than the lowest price BR player, I find that hard to believe. Additionally, you have no proof that they are selling it for a loss, when there is more than ample proof that Sony is selling the PS3 for a significant loss, as evidenced by the more than 2bn loss that division has taken since loss.

Really, the 1080i wonder (HD-A2) is more capable than the lowest cost BD player? Yeah, interlacing artifacts are what I look for in a hidef player.

http://www.pcworld.com/article/id,130023/article.html

In Mission: Impossible III, Tom Cruise uses some fancy gadgetry to help him run up a brick wall. That's impressive in 1080p. But interlacing artifacts, as seen in the Toshiba HD-A2's 1080i playback, cause the wall to vibrate, making M:I3 downright psychedelic. And I don't mean that in a good way.

Awesome player.

The HD-A2 and the original Toshiba player are both hunks of crap that got rushed out the door in order to beat Blu-ray players in cost and to market.

In order to get a decent HD-DVD player you have to spend more money, but what's the point when there are so few movies for it.

 

[LegendKiller]

Originally posted by: Wreckage

Originally posted by: Chris

Originally posted by: LegendKiller
Ultra-crap players? Show me one Toshiba player that is "ultra-crap"? Considering that even the lowest price player, the HD-A2, has more features than the lowest price BR player, I find that hard to believe. Additionally, you have no proof that they are selling it for a loss, when there is more than ample proof that Sony is selling the PS3 for a significant loss, as evidenced by the more than 2bn loss that division has taken since loss.

Really, the 1080i wonder (HD-A2) is more capable than the lowest cost BD player? Yeah, interlacing artifacts are what I look for in a hidef player.

http://www.pcworld.com/article/id,130023/article.html

In Mission: Impossible III, Tom Cruise uses some fancy gadgetry to help him run up a brick wall. That's impressive in 1080p. But interlacing artifacts, as seen in the Toshiba HD-A2's 1080i playback, cause the wall to vibrate, making M:I3 downright psychedelic. And I don't mean that in a good way.

Awesome player.

The HD-A2 and the original Toshiba player are both hunks of crap that got rushed out the door in order to beat Blu-ray players in cost and to market.

In order to get a decent HD-DVD player you have to spend more money, but what's the point when there are so few movies for it.

That's complete bullcrap. The A2 is a great player, there are hardly any people who complain about it on avsforums.

If anything, the BDA stuck out that hunk of trash $499 player with barebones features to compete with the A2, too bad even the XA2 beats the smack out of it.

There's plenty of software for HD-DVD out there. More FUDD from the BD crowd. Go check out the latest dvdempire numbers, HD-DVD is doing pretty well.

 

[Rio Rebel]

The A2 is a great player, there are hardly any people who complain about it on avsforums.

This is an absolute lie. I can't believe you would accuse someone of FUDD after saying something like this.

I don't understand some of you who will say absolutely anything in defense of their format, and then make gross generalizations and misrepresentations about the other format (as in, how all the BD players are hopelessly obsolete because they won't do pip directors' comments).

I shudder to think what harm you will do to yourself when HD-DVD dies, which it will most inevitably do.