Switzerland votes whether to ban Muslim Minarets.

[Zorkorist]

I kinda like Muslim people, Vic. Hell, I like most people.

But, as soon as those people allow themselves to be represntated by a Government or a Religion that I abhor, and they don't revolt against what I deem abhorrent, then I am sorry, and I consider them complicit in the abhorrent action.

I know I would like most any Iranian you pointed me at, but their Government is so bad, that I will lose my chance for a freind.

I'm not a psychopath, in that I have thought this situation through clearly. Many times have I advocated for what is the best of Middle Eastern countries, but today I have come to believe that we have no chance there.

The religion is just too strong. Even if it is breakable, it will take 100 years to iradicate it.

Meanwhile, in cow-towing to them, lord knows what MY Government (my religion) will demand of me, just to assuade them.

I'd rather smoke them.

 

[theflyingpig]

So every Muslim is complicit then? All 1 billion plus of them?

Answer me this, how are you not a psychopath? You'd think not, but throw in a little mob mentality and bam! it's Dahmer-time, now isn't it?

Look at you, you can't even answer a simple question because you know it will destroy your entire argument. Face it, Vic, Islam is the most vile religion of the modern world. For every civilized muslim, there are ten thousand barbarians, willing to slaughter anyone who doesn't fall in line with their beliefs. The only thing stopping them is their military weakness. I can only imagine what an all out war with Islam would be like. Just think about it, Vic. These are the people who regularly recruit and brainwash kids to become suicide bombers. They have no honor. Everyone knows this.

 

[Vic]

Look at you, you can't even answer a simple question because you know it will destroy your entire argument. Face it, Vic, Islam is the most vile religion of the modern world. For every civilized muslim, there are ten thousand barbarians, willing to slaughter anyone who doesn't fall in line with their beliefs. The only thing stopping them is their military weakness. I can only imagine what an all out war with Islam would be like. Just think about it, Vic. These are the people who regularly recruit and brainwash kids to become suicide bombers. They have no honor. Everyone knows this.

Wow... they almost sound just like you.

 

[Vic]

I kinda like Muslim people, Vic. Hell, I like most people.

But, as soon as those people allow themselves to be represntated by a Government or a Religion that I abhor, and they don't revolt against what I deem abhorrent, then I am sorry, and I consider them complicit in the abhorrent action.

I know I would like most any Iranian you pointed me at, but their Government is so bad, that I will lose my chance for a freind.

I'm not a psychopath, in that I have thought this situation through clearly. Many times have I advocated for what is the best of Middle Eastern countries, but today I have come to believe that we have no chance there.

The religion is just too strong. Even if it is breakable, it will take 100 years to iradicate it.

Meanwhile, in cow-towing to them, lord knows what MY Government (my religion) will demand of me, just to assuade them.

I'd rather smoke them.

Smoke who? The women, the children, or both? Those who oppose their govt/religions' stance as well as those who support it? Kill 'em all, eh?

Do you crazy radical dipshits even read what you post before you post it? Seriously. It's easy to claim you're not psychopath when you only believe in mass murder, right? I'm certain that's what Bin Laden & co. believe too, so you're in good company. Wow.

 

[bfdd]

Where did Zorkorist say he was in favor of mass murder?

 

[theflyingpig]

Where did Zorkorist say he was in favor of mass murder?

He didn't. Vic just likes to demonize his enemies to make it easier to hate them, you know, just like the terrorists do.

 

[Vic]

Where did Zorkorist say he was in favor of mass murder?

I'd rather smoke them.

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edit: oops, and...

I believe attacks on Muslims are necessary in today's world.

They just don't understand philosophies like "live and let live" or, "turn the other cheek."

I'm done playing with people (dumb as they are) that will drive planes into buildings.

 

[Vic]

He didn't. Vic just likes to demonize his enemies to make it easier to hate them, you know, just like the terrorists do.

Puhleeze... I'm just showing the obvious logical conclusion of your own arguments.

And must I point out that you're the one demonizing your enemies to make it easier to hate them. Must I re-post your own quotes?

Face it, Vic, Islam is the most vile religion of the modern world. For every civilized muslim, there are ten thousand barbarians, willing to slaughter anyone who doesn't fall in line with their beliefs... These are the people who regularly recruit and brainwash kids to become suicide bombers. They have no honor. Everyone knows this.

What am I doing here besides not falling in line with your beliefs regarding Islam?

 

[Zorkorist]

I'm still in favor of it, mass murder, when we are talking about the Afghanistan/Pakistan border.

Light it up, without warning, great balls of fire.

 

[theflyingpig]

Puhleeze... I'm just showing the obvious logical conclusion of your own arguments.

And must I point out that you're the one demonizing your enemies to make it easier to hate them. Must I re-post your own quotes?



What am I doing here besides not falling in line with your beliefs regarding Islam?

Hmm. Well you got me there. Not much else to say from this end.

 

[Zorkorist]

Smoke who? The women, the children, or both? Those who oppose their govt/religions' stance as well as those who support it? Kill 'em all, eh?

Do you crazy radical dipshits even read what you post before you post it? Seriously. It's easy to claim you're not psychopath when you only believe in mass murder, right? I'm certain that's what Bin Laden & co. believe too, so you're in good company. Wow.

Vic, while I know it scares you, we are at war. In 1944, we dropped Nuclear Bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki, and you were probably there, muttering under your breath.

I don't want to minimize what you are saying, but I don't want you to throw out what I am saying, when I say we should nuke the worst of our enemies.

Heck, I haven't even called for nuking Saudi Arabia, yet.

 

[SamurAchzar]

Vic, what you don't seem to understand is that Islam is not just a religion anymore (in fact, it never has been), but rather it's a religion, political movement and form of government all rolled into one. The fact it has many practitioners doesn't make it any more benign, only makes the situation more difficult.

Islam in is present form, if left unchecked, has unlimited appetite for power. The believers of Islam are predominately (I emphasis - not all) are poor and uneducated. The police no longer goes into Muslim ghettos around Europe. 60 to 70 percent of the inmates in France are Muslim: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/04/28/AR2008042802560.html

Being Jewish myself, I'm not overly happy with this situation, as we all know far right parties aren't really the best. I mean, I'd be really joyful if we all could live in a world full of unicorns, liberals and people like sandorski. But we do not. And in the current rate, Islam will eat Europe from within in only few decades of rapid decline.

Look at who you are supporting, for fuck sake, and don't start telling me stories about how bad Christianity is. This is a medieval gang, who have exactly zero self criticism, zero tolerance and zero respect for their hosting societies. The problem is made worse by the fact a large section of their allegedly moderate population is actually pretty radical thinking, just not stepping up for the actions too.
You can't kill them all, but you CAN send them back to where they came from.

I haven't seen one liberal coming up with a proper plan of dealing with the situation.
This is going to be one heck of a challenge to the EU, taking care of the situation while maintaining its morally corrupt facade of do gooders.

 

[Kirby]

Vic, while I know it scares you, we are at war. In 1944, we dropped Nuclear Bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki, and you were probably there, muttering under your breath.

I don't want to minimize what you are saying, but I don't want you to throw out what I am saying, when I say we should nuke the worst of our enemies.

Heck, I haven't even called for nuking Saudi Arabia, yet.

I'm not sure whether to laugh or be sad that someone would compare this situation to that of WWII.

 

[sandorski]

Vic, what you don't seem to understand is that Islam is not just a religion anymore (in fact, it never has been), but rather it's a religion, political movement and form of government all rolled into one. The fact it has many practitioners doesn't make it any more benign, only makes the situation more difficult.

Islam in is present form, if left unchecked, has unlimited appetite for power. The believers of Islam are predominately (I emphasis - not all) are poor and uneducated. The police no longer goes into Muslim ghettos around Europe. 60 to 70 percent of the inmates in France are Muslim: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/04/28/AR2008042802560.html

Being Jewish myself, I'm not overly happy with this situation, as we all know far right parties aren't really the best. I mean, I'd be really joyful if we all could live in a world full of unicorns, liberals and people like sandorski. But we do not. And in the current rate, Islam will eat Europe from within in only few decades of rapid decline.

Look at who you are supporting, for fuck sake, and don't start telling me stories about how bad Christianity is. This is a medieval gang, who have exactly zero self criticism, zero tolerance and zero respect for their hosting societies. The problem is made worse by the fact a large section of their allegedly moderate population is actually pretty radical thinking, just not stepping up for the actions too.
You can't kill them all, but you CAN send them back to where they came from.

I haven't seen one liberal coming up with a proper plan of dealing with the situation.
This is going to be one heck of a challenge to the EU, taking care of the situation while maintaining its morally corrupt facade of do gooders.

Thanks Goebbels

 

[Zorkorist]

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[SamurAchzar]

Thanks Goebbels

Profound arguments you make there

 

[StageLeft]

This may be one of those situations where on a personal level you wish they were banned but on a state level you feel that for ethical reasons they ought not to be. I have not been around one, but I picture a loud horn run several times/day and yeah that would simply drive me up the wall for noise ordnance reasons. And for architectural reasons basically every place that isn't a craphole has guidelines on what you can or can't do. Like I could not put up a 200 foot canadian flag above my house. Believe me, I tried. It was flying for a day before the cops made me take it down. It caught so my air my house would shake even in a light breeze.

 

[tvarad]

A sane voice in the Islamic wilderness, though he gets it wrong when he says attributes the vote to xenophobia and that the Swiss have banned Islamic buildings. Also read the responses and note that the majority of them are totally supportive of the ban.

Minarets are not an essential part of Islam

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/columnists/guest_contributors/article6938161.ece

Switzerland’s referendum vote to ban minarets is needlessly xenophobic but it does not infringe the religious liberty of Swiss Muslims. Minarets remain emblematic of mosques in the Muslim heartlands but there is no theological reason why houses of worship in the West have to incorporate such towers.

Their original purpose was to relay the prayer call with the unamplified voice. Today this is done by modern technology, so minarets are not integral to contemporary mosque design. European mosques should stop mindlessly mimicking Eastern design and create prayer halls that blend into the landscape.

Muslims who have settled in Switzerland (and elsewhere in Europe) should not confuse culture with creed. To become integrated into their surroundings, they must relinquish the cultural baggage of their ancestral homelands. They should practice a Swiss Islam that is rooted in the society in which they live.

Although the Swiss have been convinced by right-wing zealots that minarets are a problem, local Muslims should not embrace a victim mentality. They must confront the toxic radicalisation of their faith that is imported from overseas.

The Wahhabi denomination (and its kindred sects), which has unlimited petrodollars and exclusive jurisdiction over Islam’s holiest mosques, engenders rampant misogyny, anti-democratic obscurantism and an archaic legal code, which includes an un-Koranic prohibition on non-Muslim religious buildings in Islamic lands. Switzerland now joins Saudi Arabia and Afghanistan in banning the buildings of non-dominant faiths.

When European Muslims unthinkingly endorse this warped theology by desiring medieval Sharia, defending honour killings, stoning to death, forced marriages, Muslim exceptionalism and a separatist society, they only invoke fear and exacerbate anti-Muslim sentiment. When Europe’s Muslims extol such un-Koranic doctrines as the niqab (face veil), they exclude themselves from the mainstream.

Only when Muslim immigrants and converts in Europe reject the twisted ideology of a fundamentalist male clergy will the chief causes of anti-Muslim prejudice in Europe recede. Meanwhile, despite the Islamophobic minaret ban, the religious rights of Swiss Muslims remain intact. They do, however, have a rare opportunity to cut the link with the dominant theology of the East and to restore Islam’s pristine beliefs.

 

[OutHouse]

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[OutHouse]

Thanks Goebbels

really pathetic counter argument. just shows how dumb you really are.

 

[OutHouse]

This may be one of those situations where on a personal level you wish they were banned but on a state level you feel that for ethical reasons they ought not to be. I have not been around one, but I picture a loud horn run several times/day and yeah that would simply drive me up the wall for noise ordnance reasons. And for architectural reasons basically every place that isn't a craphole has guidelines on what you can or can't do. Like I could not put up a 200 foot canadian flag above my house. Believe me, I tried. It was flying for a day before the cops made me take it down. It caught so my air my house would shake even in a light breeze.

200 foot flag at your house? are you talking about the height of the flag pole or the size of the flag? a 200 foot flag is fucking huge dude how big was the flag pole to support such a flag?. you must post pics

why did the cops make you take it down?

 

[sandorski]

really pathetic counter argument. just shows how dumb you really are.

Dumb? Perhaps, or perhaps Goebbels was the master of blaming the Whole for the actions of the Few?

Of all the people on this Board, Samur ought to be one of the ones who knows the Folly and utter Evil that entails. Unfortunately it appears he does not.

 

[JEDIYoda]

Dumb? Perhaps, or perhaps Goebbels was the master of blaming the Whole for the actions of the Few?

Of all the people on this Board, Samur ought to be one of the ones who knows the Folly and utter Evil that entails. Unfortunately it appears he does not.

Actually Samur is 100% correct when he says -- "Being Jewish myself, I'm not overly happy with this situation, as we all know far right parties aren't really the best. I mean, I'd be really joyful if we all could live in a world full of unicorns, liberals and people like sandorski. But we do not. And in the current rate, Islam will eat Europe from within in only few decades of rapid decline.

Look at who you are supporting, for fuck sake, and don't start telling me stories about how bad Christianity is. This is a medieval gang, who have exactly zero self criticism, zero tolerance and zero respect for their hosting societies. The problem is made worse by the fact a large section of their allegedly moderate population is actually pretty radical thinking, just not stepping up for the actions too.
You can't kill them all, but you CAN send them back to where they came from.

I haven't seen one liberal coming up with a proper plan of dealing with the situation.
This is going to be one heck of a challenge to the EU, taking care of the situation while maintaining its morally corrupt facade of do gooders."

 

[sandorski]

Actually Samur is 100% correct when he says -- "Being Jewish myself, I'm not overly happy with this situation, as we all know far right parties aren't really the best. I mean, I'd be really joyful if we all could live in a world full of unicorns, liberals and people like sandorski. But we do not. And in the current rate, Islam will eat Europe from within in only few decades of rapid decline.

Look at who you are supporting, for fuck sake, and don't start telling me stories about how bad Christianity is. This is a medieval gang, who have exactly zero self criticism, zero tolerance and zero respect for their hosting societies. The problem is made worse by the fact a large section of their allegedly moderate population is actually pretty radical thinking, just not stepping up for the actions too.
You can't kill them all, but you CAN send them back to where they came from.

I haven't seen one liberal coming up with a proper plan of dealing with the situation.
This is going to be one heck of a challenge to the EU, taking care of the situation while maintaining its morally corrupt facade of do gooders."

...and I haven't seen one poster from the Opposite side(Conservative?) suggest anything other than the Final Solution.

The Reality is that Islam won't be going away anytime soon. So the question isn't how many need eliminated, it is how does one learn to live with Muslims. A perpetual Campaign to antagonize and to demonize will solve nothing.

 

[OCGuy]

lol @ surprised about this in Europe. Open a fucking book.