Switzerland votes whether to ban Muslim Minarets.

[kylebisme]

Thats because the civilians are the ones doing the attacking.

Only to morons who count terrorists as civilians, but I'm not one to do anything of the sort, and neither are any of the human rights organizations which have extensively documented Israel's attacks on civilians.

 

[theflyingpig]

Only to morons who count terrorists as civilians, but I'm not one to do anything of the sort, and neither are any of the human rights organizations which have extensively documented Israel's attacks on civilians.

Those organizations have no way to tell the difference between a terrorist and a civilian. I'm willing to bet most were terrorists, and the rest were calculated casualties. That is, the terrorists hid behind them to increase the civilian body count, so as to gain the support of fools like you. You are a terrorist enabler by definition. You fall for their propaganda so easily. If you were from the middle east you would be a perfect candidate for the university of suicide bombing. Everyone knows this.

 

[JEDIYoda]

Quote:
Originally Posted by kylebisme
Only to morons who count terrorists as civilians, but I'm not one to do anything of the sort, and neither are any of the human rights organizations which have extensively documented Israel's attacks on civilians.

Theflyingpig --Those organizations have no way to tell the difference between a terrorist and a civilian. I'm willing to bet most were terrorists, and the rest were calculated casualties. That is, the terrorists hid behind them to increase the civilian body count, so as to gain the support of fools like you. You are a terrorist enabler by definition. You fall for their propaganda so easily. If you were from the middle east you would be a perfect for the university of suicide bombing. Everyone knows this.

You will have to forgive Kylebisme he is a Palestinian sympathizer who believes all the problems in that part of the world are the fault of the Israeli`s.

You know he is the one who started the WTC7 thread...that in and of itself should expalin alot..lolol

 

[JEDIYoda]

What keeps you from considering a two-state solution on the basis of international law?

International law is a total joke and that will never happen.
You know total joke...sort of like your WTC7 thread.....

 

[shadow9d9]

International law is a total joke and that will never happen.
You know total joke...sort of like your WTC7 thread.....

If international law is a joke, then we shouldn't have tried the Nazis with it.

 

[Atheus]

They don't want to go down the Sharia Law road like the Brits.

To clear this up for any who may actually believe what you say, Sharia law is not part of UK law, and no politician in the country has ever suggested changing this. This story comes from a couple of very questionalble tabloid articles last year. An article by The Times clarifies:

"Under the act, the sharia courts are classified as arbitration tribunals. The rulings of arbitration tribunals are binding in law, provided that both parties in the dispute agree to give it the power to rule on their case. "

*shrug*

The Swiss are very fond of their Democracy, and aren't buying it.

Not fond of other peoples' democracy though, clearly - neutrality is enshrined in law.

 

[Atheus]

International law is a total joke and that will never happen.

If thats true we might as well all give up now.

 

[SamurAchzar]

Israel does target civilians, as reported by every human rights group that looked into the recent Gaza massacre, and plenty of others. Granted, it seems you would prefer they murder off many more civilians than they have, but that doesn't change the fact that they do target civilians.

What about Iraq and Afghanistan? Did NATO forces deliberately target civilians too, or is it only attributed to the IDF?

 

[JEDIYoda]

Quote:
Originally Posted by JEDIYoda
International law is a total joke and that will never happen.

If thats true we might as well all give up now.

Concerning Israel it is not only true it a fact!!

Again it for peace to happen there will need to be no pre-coditions......

 

[JEDIYoda]

If international law is a joke, then we shouldn't have tried the Nazis with it.

YES!! International is a joke, when it concerns what your pro-Palestinian people believe that Israel will have to give up in order for peace to happen.

The sad scenario is that Peace will never happen except for the Palestinians and Israel to sit down together and work out a lasting Peace!

Peace will never happen if you try to use the UN or International law to bully iether side into sitting down at the Peace table.

So YES-- In the case of the Middle east International law is a total joke...sort of like your brother Kylebisme`s WTC7 thread...rofl

 

[Vic]

Jews. Palestinians. Meh.

The Swiss still banned minarets. Good for them, standing up and asserting that Islam has no place in a modern society.

So on this note, what other religions would you like to see persecuted by govt power and authority?

 

[fskimospy]

Quote:
So on this note, what other religions would you like to see persecuted by govt power and authority?

Small government conservatism strikes again.

 

[tvarad]

So on this note, what other religions would you like to see persecuted by govt power and authority?

The question to be asked is: why is it that other religions get along quite well with civilized societies but Islam has so many problems. Why is it that the FBI, MI5 and other investigative agencies don't have Hindu and Buddhist temples, Jewish synagogues etc. on their radar?

 

[Vic]

Small government conservatism strikes again.

Oxymoron, there is no such thing as small govt conservatism.

 

[Vic]

The question to be asked is: why is it that other religions get along quite well with civilized societies but Islam has so many problems. Why is it that the FBI, MI5 and other investigative agencies don't have Hindu and Buddhist temples, Jewish synagogues etc. on their radar?

Is this post for real?

 

[shadow9d9]

The question to be asked is: why is it that other religions get along quite well with civilized societies but Islam has so many problems. Why is it that the FBI, MI5 and other investigative agencies don't have Hindu and Buddhist temples, Jewish synagogues etc. on their radar?

The Christian and Jewish nations are wealthy, have basic freedoms, and education.

Pretty sure Hindus fight with Muslims... Pakistan-India.

 

[shadow9d9]

YES!! International is a joke, when it concerns what your pro-Palestinian people believe that Israel will have to give up in order for peace to happen.

The sad scenario is that Peace will never happen except for the Palestinians and Israel to sit down together and work out a lasting Peace!

Peace will never happen if you try to use the UN or International law to bully iether side into sitting down at the Peace table.

So YES-- In the case of the Middle east International law is a total joke...sort of like your brother Kylebisme`s WTC7 thread...rofl

I got it.. just wanted to confirm that Int. law is only good when it is on your side.

Conquering, slaughtering, occupying is good.. when it is on YOUR side.

As for the guilt by association, it always will be stupid.

 

[shadow9d9]

Quote:
Originally Posted by kylebisme
Only to morons who count terrorists as civilians, but I'm not one to do anything of the sort, and neither are any of the human rights organizations which have extensively documented Israel's attacks on civilians.

Theflyingpig --Those organizations have no way to tell the difference between a terrorist and a civilian. I'm willing to bet most were terrorists, and the rest were calculated casualties. That is, the terrorists hid behind them to increase the civilian body count, so as to gain the support of fools like you. You are a terrorist enabler by definition. You fall for their propaganda so easily. If you were from the middle east you would be a perfect for the university of suicide bombing. Everyone knows this.

You will have to forgive Kylebisme he is a Palestinian sympathizer who believes all the problems in that part of the world are the fault of the Israeli`s.

You know he is the one who started the WTC7 thread...that in and of itself should expalin alot..lolol

Not all the problems are based on Israel. Britain's empire building is the main culprit, and Israel just made it into a catastrophe.

 

[tvarad]

The Christian and Jewish nations are wealthy, have basic freedoms, and education.

Pretty sure Hindus fight with Muslims... Pakistan-India.

Au Contraire, it is the Muslims who're raging against the machine in the U.S., UK, India, Phillipines, China, Russia, Denmark, Sweden etc. and now Switzerland.

And as a corollary, if Muslims pursued basic freedoms and education rather than all the intellectual dead-ends they value so dearly, wouldn't they fit into modern society as well as those communities who are in the same boat?

 

[tvarad]

Not all the problems are based on Israel. Britain's empire building is the main culprit, and Israel just made it into a catastrophe.

No, it's the inability of the Muslim world at large and the Arabs in particular to come to grips with modern thought that has led to the hole they've dug themselves into.

 

[JEDIYoda]

Is this post for real?

It`s real because tvarad is basically 100% correct!!

 

[0marTheZealot]

Au Contraire, it is the Muslims who're raging against the machine in the U.S., UK, India, Phillipines, China, Russia, Denmark, Sweden etc. and now Switzerland.

And as a corollary, if Muslims pursued basic freedoms and education rather than all the intellectual dead-ends they value so dearly, wouldn't they fit into modern society as well as those communities who are in the same boat?

Please, you act like India is some bastion of modern thought and intellect. It's as backwards a country as Pakistan. For all it's "great advancements", the GDP per capita is no greater than Pakistan's. On top of that, India is home to a number of terrorist organizations as well, radical Hinduists and nationalists. For example, look at the Tamil Tigers, born and bred from the Indian intelligence services and trained by the Indian army.

India faces a bigger problem than Pakistan. Pakistan's problems are mainly political. India's problems are fundamental. The state simply cannot provide for all it's members; there is no way India can support 2 billion people. What do you think will happen when hundreds of millions of disenfranchised young people find out that the "great advancements" failed to improve their standard of living?

And on the point of freedom and education, again, this is an interlude in history when Islam is politically weak. Given the right environments, the Islamic world can flourish again. The West needs to stop propping up dictators and start encouraging democratic reforms. Not in name, but in actual deeds.

 

[shadow9d9]

No, it's the inability of the Muslim world at large and the Arabs in particular to come to grips with modern thought that has led to the hole they've dug themselves into.

Has absolutely nothing to do with a majority of Islam being oppressed and conquered by the west for the last 100 years.. nothing to do with them being from poor countries with little freedoms that have dictators propped up by the west... has nothing to do with the west conquering and establishing Israel.

Nope, no relation.

 

[Vic]

It`s real because tvarad is basically 100% correct!!

How so? You do realize that he is basically saying that we should all sacrifice our basic rights to religious freedom just because he is prejudiced against one religion in particular, right?

As for the notion that Islam is somehow more radical than other religions, that's laughable. Christianity has had and still does have its own fair share of radicals, yet I would never argue that all of Christianity should suffer for the sins of its radical few (much less that govt power should be abused to bring about that suffering). Likewise with Islam. And even Buddhism and Hinduism in their times and places of radicalism.

I cannot for the life of me imagine any attitude more un-American than the cowardly attitude of religious bigotry that is being so proudly displayed in this thread. Religious tolerance is at the very heart of the American ideal of liberty. There is nothing more un-American IMO than to argue that people should not be allowed to pursue the faiths of their own choosing, or that govt should ever be empowered to enforce that lack of choice.

 

[Vic]

I'm curious, what would the same people cheering about the Swiss decision here say if the Swiss govt also decided to ban steeples and crosses and church bells? Let's hear it. How would that be any different except through the distorted lens of religious bigotry? For if just one religion is too dangerous to be allowed, why not ban them all? Eh?