Switzerland votes whether to ban Muslim Minarets.

Hayabusa Rider

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They don't want to go down the Sharia Law road like the Brits. The Swiss are very fond of their Democracy, and aren't buying it. This is an expression of that sentiment.
 

FaaR

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Please explain how a minaret is a threat to democracy.

You're fulla crap, matey.
 

Hayabusa Rider

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Please explain how a minaret is a threat to democracy.

You're fulla crap, matey.

It isn't. I was citing why the Swiss don't want them. They look at the Brits and don't want to provide any foothold. You don't have to agree.
 
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You're surprised by discrimination in Europe? Are you serious? I'm surprised that something worse hasn't happened yet.
 

DarkThinker

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Had this happened to some sort of Jewish symbol for instance, it would have been called antisemitism and media all over the world would have booed the Swiss people, but it's Muslims we are talking about so it's OK. This is a JOKE if you ask me.

And NO, using the UK as an example is stupid. Why? Because the UK system is STUPID. Had the UK had a proper filtering process for their immigration system, they wouldn't have ended up with the sht they have now. Why doesn't the US have the problem that the UK has? Why are Muslims in the US so much better off than their counterparts in the UK? Because we are 100 times better at filtering who gets in and who doesn't through the immigration system. You could be a UK loather for life and get accepted to become a UK immigrant and then citizen. What kind of stupid system is that?

The Swiss, they are proud of their "freedom" SO much, to a point where they restricted religious expressions, just to keep the freedom going? Am I the only one detecting some contradiction here?

The United States is FULL of mosques with some of the biggest minarets I have seen, how did the Minarets in the United States affect the democracy in the United States? They never did.

What's next? A ban on Muslim books in Switzerland so that they protect the freedom of the Swiss people?

I am telling you folks, the Swiss have shot themselves in the foot. They had a once in a lifetime opportunity to show the extremist Muslims that Muslims can live with all their rights intact in Europe without allowing extremist Islam to flourish amongst them. But now the Swiss blew it, now all over the Muslim world Switzerland will be put on the spot as a Muslim hating country, though Muslims have never hurt or hated Switzerland overall.

They are free to do what they want, but in a world where relations matter, the Swiss should expect a big negative impact on many aspects of their lives, such as their economic relations, diplomatic, tourism, trade....etc All of that in the name of protecting freedom of expression while doing the opposite. I am going to sit back and watch that unfold.

These people became so afraid of extremist Muslims to a point where they:

A- Became the people they hated
B- Gave grounds for extremism to flourish in Switzerland because now the extremist will start preaching to the moderates in Switzerland that democracy doesn't respect their rights and only extremist Islam can protect them from others.

Thank God I live in the United States, where a bullshit law like that wouldn't have even passed the smell test.
 

theflyingpig

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Supporters of a ban claim that allowing minarets would represent the growth of an ideology and a legal system - Sharia law - which are incompatible with Swiss democracy.

Sounds good to me. Any measure that is taken to prevent the infestation of a country by Sharia law is a welcome one. Everyone knows this.
 

piasabird

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If you can call the police if your neighbor is having a loud party then the same can be said for a muslim minaret. Noise pollution is noise pollution. It is still disturbing the peace. One man's christmas bells is another mans call to prayer. The world is just so confusing.
 

Hacp

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Its not like they're banning mosques. The muslims can still worship. From my understanding, Minarets are claims of territory. However, since the territory belongs to the state, there is no need for Minarets. They're a blight to the skyline.
 

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Had this happened to some sort of Jewish symbol for instance, it would have been called antisemitism and media all over the world would have booed the Swiss people, but it's Muslims we are talking about so it's OK. This is a JOKE if you ask me.

And NO, using the UK as an example is stupid. Why? Because the UK system is STUPID. Had the UK had a proper filtering process for their immigration system, they wouldn't have ended up with the sht they have now. Why doesn't the US have the problem that the UK has? Why are Muslims in the US so much better off than their counterparts in the UK? Because we are 100 times better at filtering who gets in and who doesn't through the immigration system. You could be a UK loather for life and get accepted to become a UK immigrant and then citizen. What kind of stupid system is that?

The Swiss, they are proud of their "freedom" SO much, to a point where they restricted religious expressions, just to keep the freedom going? Am I the only one detecting some contradiction here?

The United States is FULL of mosques with some of the biggest minarets I have seen, how did the Minarets in the United States affect the democracy in the United States? They never did.

What's next? A ban on Muslim books in Switzerland so that they protect the freedom of the Swiss people?

I am telling you folks, the Swiss have shot themselves in the foot. They had a once in a lifetime opportunity to show the extremist Muslims that Muslims can live with all their rights intact in Europe without allowing extremist Islam to flourish amongst them. But now the Swiss blew it, now all over the Muslim world Switzerland will be put on the spot as a Muslim hating country, though Muslims have never hurt or hated Switzerland overall.

They are free to do what they want, but in a world where relations matter, the Swiss should expect a big negative impact on many aspects of their lives, such as their economic relations, diplomatic, tourism, trade....etc All of that in the name of protecting freedom of expression while doing the opposite. I am going to sit back and watch that unfold.

These people became so afraid of extremist Muslims to a point where they:

A- Became the people they hated
B- Gave grounds for extremism to flourish in Switzerland because now the extremist will start preaching to the moderates in Switzerland that democracy doesn't respect their rights and only extremist Islam can protect them from others.

Thank God I live in the United States, where a bullshit law like that wouldn't have even passed the smell test.
Good post.

You have to realize the resentment against Muslims now.

It's not that we want to hate them, but we will hate them as long as they try and thrust their religion on us, or, as they say, kill infidels.

It's just not worth having Muslims anywhere near me. Praying five times a day for my death.
 

palehorse

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Seems like a local issue, even here in the U.S. If you vote locally to ban loud noises via city ordinance, then the early and late calls for prayer could be halted in their tracks. Then again, so could church bells... but, I'm sure people are crafty enough to allow blanket exceptions for certain times of the day.

I know that I'd be the first to protest locally if I had to hear the early or late calls for prayer. The same goes for crack-of-dawn or nighttime church bells. Screw that noise! :)
 

grebe925

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Please explain how a minaret is a threat to democracy.

You're fulla crap, matey.

A substantial number of mosques in the West are funded by the Saudis who practise a brand of Islam called Wahabism that is known for inculcating extreme intolerance amongst it's followers. As well, the brand of Islam practised here is politico-religious in nature which goes against the grain of Western secular democracy. It is no secret that they are the places where impressionable youth who are struggling to fit into Western society are fed the kind of poisons that turns them into fifth columnists and homicide bombers. If this is not a threat to democracy, then I don't know what is.