Switzerland votes whether to ban Muslim Minarets.

[shadow9d9]

OK, I'll bite. The Swiss shouldn't ban minarets because Israel is occupying Palestine. Now can we move on?

Not exactly.

If conquering is ok by the west, why is architecture of the east bad?

 

[CitizenKain]

Leave the god damn Jews alone. Israel exists, build yourself a bridge and get over it.

Yea, leave those poor Jews at peace so they can continue to kill more children.

 

[surfsatwerk]

Then expect turmoil for the rest of your lifetime. Continue to marginalize people and they will strike back. You are part of the problem.

I love how it's completely ok to conquer an entire country... but architecture is bad!

Well then we all better leave the good old USA for the tribes and their casinos.

 

[surfsatwerk]

Yea, leave those poor Jews at peace so they can continue to kill more children.

Yes the Palestinians need more kids so they can strap on a green headband and carry around an AK-47. Better yet, so they can turn more of their kids into suicide bombers.

 

[OutHouse]

Yea, leave those poor Jews at peace so they can continue to kill more children.

bigot

 

[OutHouse]

I gotcha.. it is cool to invade and conquer, if the west is doing it...

Continue to attack a people and don't be surprised when they respond.

lol you got issues dude.

 

[Sinsear]

This is a great thread to get a list of the racists and freepers that post here.

Please explain to me again how Islam is a race. Idiot.

 

[JS80]

Then expect turmoil for the rest of your lifetime. Continue to marginalize people and they will strike back. You are part of the problem.

I love how it's completely ok to conquer an entire country... but architecture is bad!

Are you assuming all the ME violence will be no more if the Jews packed up their bags and left Israel? You are a joke. They will find the next scapegoat to target to maintain their power.

So I guess you have three solutions:
1) Kill/expel the jews from Israel
2) Keep status quo and live with terrorism
3) Kill/convert all muslims

Obviously #1 and #3 are unacceptable, so i guess we'll live in fear until we die while people like you hope for #1.

 

[kylebisme]

Are you assuming all the ME violence will be no more if the Jews packed up their bags and left Israel?

He didn't suggest anything of the sort.

So I guess you have three solutions:
1) Kill/expel the jews from Israel
2) Keep status quo and live with terrorism
3) Kill/convert all muslims

Obviously #1 and #3 are unacceptable, so i guess we'll live in fear until we die while people like you hope for #1.

What keeps you from considering a two-state solution on the basis of international law?

 

[tvarad]

Are you assuming all the ME violence will be no more if the Jews packed up their bags and left Israel? You are a joke. They will find the next scapegoat to target to maintain their power.

So I guess you have three solutions:
1) Kill/expel the jews from Israel
2) Keep status quo and live with terrorism
3) Kill/convert all muslims

Obviously #1 and #3 are unacceptable, so i guess we'll live in fear until we die while people like you hope for #1.

I also think that terrorism is the price we pay to ensure that the Hitlerian like Islamo-fascists do not plunge the world into another existential crisis.

 

[KMFJD]

Yea, leave those poor Jews at peace so they can continue to kill more children.

They are doing a pretty shitty job of it if they are actually trying to do this....

 

[JS80]

He didn't suggest anything of the sort.


What keeps you from considering a two-state solution on the basis of international law?

Israel offered, and the Arabs rejected. The arabs living in Israel have no interest in a two state solution.

 

[kylebisme]

Israel offered, and the Arabs rejected. The arabs living in Israel have no interest in a two state solution.

Bullshit, on both counts.

 

[kylebisme]

They are doing a pretty shitty job of it if they are actually trying to do this....

They kill a hell of a lot more Arabs than the other way around, children and otherwise.

 

[DarkThinker]

Israel offered, and the Arabs rejected. The arabs living in Israel have no interest in a two state solution.

Oh really? What happened to the Arab-Peace Initiative by the Arab League?

It's been years and it's still collecting dust at Israeli desks.

In a nutshell, the Arab peace initiative offers full peace, recognition and diplomatic relations to Israel if Israel would agree to:

1- Leave occupied land since 1967 in Palestine, Syria and Lebanon

2- Allow right of return for Palestinian refugees back to their land in the Palestinian state.

3- End all expansion and bloodshed

Israel demonstrated it's full desire to conquer more land and to exterminate / expel more Arabs by refusing the Arab Peace initiative. hell, they didn't even bother with counter-offering.

So don't think anyone is fooled by Israel's intentions. Israel only wants more land for it and for it's extremist settlers no matter what the cost.

 

[shadow9d9]

Are you assuming all the ME violence will be no more if the Jews packed up their bags and left Israel? You are a joke. They will find the next scapegoat to target to maintain their power.

So I guess you have three solutions:
1) Kill/expel the jews from Israel
2) Keep status quo and live with terrorism
3) Kill/convert all muslims

Obviously #1 and #3 are unacceptable, so i guess we'll live in fear until we die while people like you hope for #1.

"Are you assuming all the ME violence will be no more if the Jews packed up their bags and left Israel?"

Nope.

Next?

 

[dahunan]

none of this arguing about jews/israelis vs palestinians changes anything in that religion that causes domestic abuse and honor killings and intolerance and taliban and wahabism et al

 

[JS80]

Oh really? What happened to the Arab-Peace Initiative by the Arab League?

It's been years and it's still collecting dust at Israeli desks.

In a nutshell, the Arab peace initiative offers full peace, recognition and diplomatic relations to Israel if Israel would agree to:

1- Leave occupied land since 1967 in Palestine, Syria and Lebanon

2- Allow right of return for Palestinian refugees back to their land in the Palestinian state.

3- End all expansion and bloodshed

Israel demonstrated it's full desire to conquer more land and to exterminate / expel more Arabs by refusing the Arab Peace initiative. hell, they didn't even bother with counter-offering.

So don't think anyone is fooled by Israel's intentions. Israel only wants more land for it and for it's extremist settlers no matter what the cost.

Yea, asking Israel to commit suicide by opening themselves up to most vulnerability - they'll accept that deal.

Phase 1. Trick the jews into giving up their security buffer
Phase 2. ?
Phase 3. Profit

 

[shadow9d9]

none of this arguing about jews/israelis vs palestinians changes anything in that religion that causes domestic abuse and honor killings and intolerance and taliban and wahabism et al

All religions promote killing of each other. Understanding why a people are angry at another people is crucial to moving forward.

You are stuck on "us vs them" mentality.

 

[kylebisme]

Yea, asking Israel to commit suicide by opening themselves up to most vulnerability - they'll accept that deal.

There is nothing suicidal about Israel conforming to international law, but they won't accept international law.

Trick the jews into giving up their security buffer

Israel's land is within it's 1948-1967 borders, some of it not actually theirs until 1993 when they tricked Palestinians into giving it up at Oslo. Furthermore Israel isn't rightly using the West Bank or the Golan heights as security buffers, unless one is so demented as to consider stuffing them full of settlers to serve as human shields a security buffer. Also, on the subject of trickery, that is what Israel's partial 10 month settlement pause is about, as explained by an Israeli TV host who even went so far as to use the slur "goyim" to refer to us Americans.

 

[Sinsear]

Jews. Palestinians. Meh.

The Swiss still banned minarets. Good for them, standing up and asserting that Islam has no place in a modern society.

 

[KMFJD]

They kill a hell of a lot more Arabs than the other way around, children and otherwise.

The numbers would be much greater if they where actually targetting civilians like some claim.

 

[kylebisme]

Israel does target civilians, as reported by every human rights group that looked into the recent Gaza massacre, and plenty of others. Granted, it seems you would prefer they murder off many more civilians than they have, but that doesn't change the fact that they do target civilians.

 

[theflyingpig]

Israel does target civilians, as reported by every human rights group that looked into the recent Gaza massacre, and plenty of others. Granted, it seems you would prefer they murder off many more civilians than they have, but that doesn't change the fact that they do target civilians.

Thats because the civilians are the ones doing the attacking. When civilians stupidly take up arms against an more powerful foe, they shouldn't cry when they and their loved ones get slaughtered. Simple solution: stop attacking Israel. Everyone knows this.

 

[ranmaniac]

All I see is in this post is hand-wringing and excuses. India had no Marshall plan, nor did China and their early leaders were as anti-Western as the Arabs and Muslims and yet, a couple of decades ago, they figured out that it's either swim with the international tide or sink. The latter are still debating whether a cat has to be black or white to catch mice.

If Muslims and Arabs stopped worrying about a little sliver of land called Israel, stopped worrying about how high a minaret or how low a burqa should be or write treatises about whether it's OK to shake hands with an infidel, perhaps they'll find the time to contemplate the size of the hole they've dug themselves into and take the first steps to climb out of it.

All I see in this post is a diversion and inability to address your own illogical arguments and generalizations lumping all Muslim countries together, as if none of them are players on the world stage (3 of them are members of the G20), comparing apples to oranges, so you conveniently switch to the topic of Israel which would probably deserve it's own thread.