Super Tuesday Results

[compuwiz1]

Why is Warren still in the race? She couldn't even win her home state. It's time for everyone to get out of the way and let Biden and Sanders duke it out. Which one of them is going to be another Kasich?

 

[Perknose]

Indeed she is. She also lied about rejecting Super PAC support. She's a wolf in sheep's clothing. A total vanity candidate. That's why I don't care as much as other Sanders supporters about her dropping out. Her supporters are not going to Sanders. I don't even think they would vote for him in the GE. They're generally terrible people.

Elisabeth Warren is a wolf in sheep's clothing? Her supporters are generally terrible people? WTF is wrong with you?

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Apparently, one that the voters in 10 states yesterday were in on.

Wrong, not even close.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

Doesn't seem that way to me. She bought into some slightly-self-exoticising family myth and lacked a bit of common-sense in not considering it more skeptically before talking about it (us non-politicians can get away with that, she should have been more careful).

It was silly of her, certainly an embarrassment, but hardly on a par with, say, boasting of sexually assaulting women.

I bet lots of families have such myths that they believe because it makes them sound more interesting, but never bother to look into to see if they are actually true (did I ever mention my great-great-uncle who was eaten by a crocodile?).

They are pretty common in the North East.
Shit I have a very similar story about a Great, Great Grandparent.
My Grandmother even remembered her wearing Indian braids and something else that I can’t remember.
Per my mothers DNA test she is 0.0% American Indian.

 

[Brainonska511]

Not everything in life fits into a 2 party system. Hell for lots of people neither party is even close to what they want. You need to incentivize people to get out and vote. If that means more parties, than so be it. People are probably tired of playing the boring "lesser of two evils" bullshit the 2 party system panders to. People need enthusiasm about a candidate/party. Dem establishment and GOP are pretty boring and haven't done shit in years. I havent seen one pro Biden supporter yet. "Oh he's fine if that is all they will give me" . Fuck that shit. Time for some real fucking change.

In a winner take all system, power will coalesce to 2 parties. People need to live in reality and work within what we have instead of just screaming at clouds and sitting out. No system on earth gives 2 shits about people (or voting block) that are not a key to power.

 

[woolfe9998]

Elisabeth Warren is a wolf in sheep's clothing? Her supporters are generally terrible people? WTF is wrong with you?

Her name isn't Bernie Sanders though. So she must be shite.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

Indeed she is. She also lied about rejecting Super PAC support. She's a wolf in sheep's clothing. A total vanity candidate. That's why I don't care as much as other Sanders supporters about her dropping out. Her supporters are not going to Sanders. I don't even think they would vote for him in the GE. They're generally terrible people.

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Why turn something that could be a positive into a negative?
Why not say I like Warrens planning skills but if you want healthcare and billionaires to be held accountable Bernie is the obvious choice without Warren.

 

[alcoholbob]

Blue collar Joe from Scranton PA would have won PA.

Hillary was awful and just barely lost it.

In the meantime bucks/mont around Philly is turning blue and Conner Lamb won in Pittsburg.
Just not got to lose pensatucky too bad.


Running a socialist promising to raise their taxes and shut down their jobs was doomed.

If the betting markets are right, ultimately all the Democratic candidates this cycle were doomed.

 

[woolfe9998]

Well, it's like I said. If Bernie comes in as the voter favorite but not enough to make it in the first run then the superdelegates will likely give the victory to Biden.

In this case, the popular vote would be disregarded for the runnerup. The fix would be in to deny the voter.

It's a more straightforward "solution" for the Party than the Electoral College was for Trump.

How is superdelegates voting against Bernie a "fix?" By rule, 15% of all delegates are superdelegates. This is known and is above board. If people don't like the rule, then lobby to get it changed. It isn't a "fix" by any definition of that word.

 

[alcoholbob]

Medicare's lower reimbursement rates guaranty that Medicare will be cheaper than private insurance. You'll get a plan with no deductibles, which for private insurance is a platinum plan, for less than the cost of a bronze plan that has massive deductibles. Private insurance cannot compete and will eventually go under or be relegated to a niche of selling cadillac plans for executives. Even if the repugs somehow passed a healthcare voucher that you could apply to any insurance of your choice, consumers will still choose Medicare because it's a better value.

A public option will eventually lead to MFA. It's inevitable.

Not necessarily, as I recall Germany has a public option and there are still private insurance plans. There just won't be much profit in the system for a publically traded large cap insurance company to compete, but I suspect nonprofits and private insurance companies can still do so with catastrophic and lower coverage plans.

 

[PlanetJosh]

It's legal for Bloomberg to donate millions to a PAC for Biden right?

The rest of the post is back story blather, no need to really have to read it. My query above is another simple question I can't seem to get an answer from a Google search by looking at the short paragraphs on the first and second search results pages. Yeah if I read each and every article full length I'd probably find the answer.

But two things are faster. 1 is to assume that everyone knows it's legal as if it's common knowledge and so that's why it doesn't appear in the short paragraphs showing on the search results. It's an assumption that may or may not be true. And 2 is to ask here on the forum since someone probably knows a link to an article that answers and explains it.

edit - My dad was a lawyer and it's rubbed off in my posting style. Ah and I see on tv some info trickling in: He can donate the millions to a PAC as long as Biden doesn't endorse the money is from Bloomberg in Biden ads on tv/net. So I guess Bloomberg can run his own ads to support Biden.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

How is superdelegates voting against Bernie a "fix?" By rule, 15% of all delegates are superdelegates. This is known and is above board. If people don't like the rule, then lobby to get it changed. It isn't a "fix" by any definition of that word.

Did the Democrat voter have a say in that? Where's their input. I know this is a Party fix to overrule the voter. It's known and the results are too. For god's sake don't complain about the Electoral College which is known and above board but a lot of people didn't like it.

Well I suppose they should STFU too.

An open and above board method of leadership to deny those they don't want even if the larger voter results show otherwise. It's a fix by those who control the process outside the voter.

 

[woolfe9998]

Not necessarily, as I recall Germany has a public option and there are still private insurance plans. There just won't be much profit in the system for a publically traded large cap insurance company to compete, but I suspect nonprofits and private insurance companies can still do so with catastrophic and lower coverage plans.

Like I said above, you cannot do catastrophic insurance under current ACA regs, because all medical insurance policies have to cover preventive care free of deductibles.

Private insurance pays more to medical providers than does Medicare and they also have to turn a profit. I don't see how the insurance companies can compete. At the very least, they're going to lose the majority of their current total market share.

 

[cytg111]

Indeed she is. She also lied about rejecting Super PAC support. She's a wolf in sheep's clothing. A total vanity candidate. That's why I don't care as much as other Sanders supporters about her dropping out. Her supporters are not going to Sanders. I don't even think they would vote for him in the GE. They're generally terrible people.

DAMN someone got his clan-brain all wired up .... Ima gonna count to 3 and snap my fingers and you will wake up, feel relaxed and be in a general state of well being. 1 2 3 *snap*.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

It's legal for Bloomberg to donate millions to a PAC for Biden right?

The rest of the post is back story blather, no need to really have to read it. My query above is another simple question I can't seem to get an answer from a Google search by looking at the short paragraphs on the first and second search results pages. Yeah if I read each and every article full length I'd probably find the answer.

But two things are faster. 1 is to assume that everyone knows it's legal as if it's common knowledge and so that's why it doesn't appear in the short paragraphs showing on the search results. And 2 it's also faster to ask here on the forum since someone probably knows a link to an article that answers and explains it. edit - My dad was a lawyer and it's rubbed off in my posting style.

It is money and people can spend their money how they chose particularly in regards to Citizens United.

 

[SteveGrabowski]

Well I'm glad Bloomberg is out. Biden's not my first or second choice (those would be Warren and Sanders) but I vastly vastly prefer him to Bloomberg and prefer him to Buttigieg and Klobuchar also. At this point I hope he can get a really strong showing in the rust belt primaries because those are the votes we badly need in November. Bernie hasn't been able to grow the base as he has run on doing, and putting Virginia and Minnesota in danger of being lost while also likely ceding Florida and North Carolina is a no go unless he can pull Nevada like domination in Wisconsin, Michigan, Ohio, and Pennsylvania. A Biden nomination probably makes Nevada and Colorado a little harder, but if Clinton got them in 2016 gotta think Biden's at least a bit of a favorite over Trump in those states. But damn this general election comes down to those four rust belt states.

 

[ultimatebob]

Why is Warren still in the race? She couldn't even win her home state. It's time for everyone to get out of the way and let Biden and Sanders duke it out. Which one of them is going to be another Kasich?

I think that the DNC still wants her in the race to siphon progressive votes from Sanders.

Now that they got all of the other pesky moderate candidates out of the way, it should be smoother sailing for Joe Biden from here to the convention.

 

[woolfe9998]

Did the Democrat voter have a say in that? Where's their input. I know this is a Party fix to overrule the voter. It's known and the results are too. For god's sake don't complain about the Electoral College which is known and above board but a lot of people didn't like it.

Well I suppose they should STFU too.

An open and above board method of leadership to deny those they don't want even if the larger voter results show otherwise. It's a fix by those who control the process outside the voter.

The voters have an 85% say in it. The superdelegates are the other 15%. If a candidate wins over voters by a wide enough margin, which they usually do, then in fact, the superdelegates have no say in it.

The electoral college is not a "fix" either. It's a structural problem in our system that dates back 200 years and which was not originally intended to produce an electoral advantage to one political party in the 21st century. Still not a "fix."

One key difference between the two, however, is that primaries are run by political parties, which are not governmental organizations. These parties can make their own rules. They don't have to even give the voters 85% of the say. There hasn't always even been primary voting.

Another thing which is getting tiresome is that I know even if Bernie loses the popular vote and the bulk of ordinary delegates his supporters are still going to say it's a fix. Because it's exactly what they did in 2016. It's one thing that Trumpers, Bernie Bros and Paulbots have in common. If their candidate loses, it's always a fix.

 

[Jaskalas]

Trump's inability to meaningfully improve economic conditions must mean that for 2020 they will jump ship. After all, economic concerns are what drove people to Trump to begin with, right?

...right?

Being an incumbent will hurt him. But Biden doesn't benefit from "outsider" status either. If anything, people that want change are going to be suppressed.

Besides, Trump can use the same rhetoric from 2016, and ignore reality. His base certainly isn't in touch. Neither is he. Just ra-ra-ra and pretend he saved the economy. I doubt half of Americans could tell the difference when sold a pack of lies.

 

[interchange]

If what you mean by this is that you think private insurance will offer catastrophic plans to younger people, they aren't allowed under current ACA regs. All plans have to cover preventive care free of deductibles at a minimum.

With Medicare reimbursing doctors at such a lower rate, bottom line is I don't see anywhere private insurance could compete expect maybe way at the high end where they could offer perks not available with Medicare for a steep price.

I don't think Medicare reimbursement is so bad as you think. Part of those rate comparisons neglect what is kept even more secret -- the % reimbursement of what the insurance company actually says they cover which is paid to the doctor as negotiated in their contract with the insurer. That said, I'm an academic psychiatrist who mostly does inpatient work and is salaried and never did outpatient practice. I'm certain Medicare for all would be a significant pay cut to many. Maybe me too in the end, but probably not by a lot.

 

[hal2kilo]

If the betting markets are right, ultimately all the Democratic candidates this cycle were doomed.

Speaking of markets. Some on the business channels are calling todays market rise a Biden bump.

 

[sandorski]

Multiparty won't unfuck anything, so what's your fucking point? Multiparty countries are having the same fucking problems too.

Your revolution won't happen without bloodshed, so you'd better be willing to put yours on the line, or else realize you're part of the problem.

Multi-Party countries offer Voters a choice. The US system is particularly averse to them though. The British Parliamentary system works quite well with them, but that's because the winning Party gets to implement their proposed Policy relatively easily, instead of having to fight tooth and nail for some watered down compromise that barely resembles the original proposal. AKA, a Party proposes a M4A policy, they win an Election, M4A gets implemented, instead of the US likelyhood that maybe something passes that slightly improves some aspect of the current system, but still leaves huge disparities that a M4A system would have addressed.

If bloodshed is the only way to solve these problems, that's not my problem, being I am not an American.That should make you think twice about your system though. These are not unreasonable proposals, what does it mean when reasonable ideas require violence before they can be implemented?

 

[dainthomas]

Biden's "Record of accomplishment" is below sea level. He's talking about a Republican VP. My god.

Seriously? I honestly have no idea who votes for this guy.

Any of the other candidates (or former candidates) except for Williamson or Gabbard would be a better choice. Heck, picking Abrams would put Trump's female vote into the single digits and his black vote at basically zero. I'll give him Ben Carson and Kanye.

 

[woolfe9998]

I don't think Medicare reimbursement is so bad as you think. Part of those rate comparisons neglect what is kept even more secret -- the % reimbursement of what the insurance company actually says they cover which is paid to the doctor as negotiated in their contract with the insurer. That said, I'm an academic psychiatrist who mostly does inpatient work and is salaried and never did outpatient practice. I'm certain Medicare for all would be a significant pay cut to many. Maybe me too in the end, but probably not by a lot.

When I used to handle injury litigation, I spent vast amounts of time pouring over people's medical bills. I could see that for a given procedure, say a surgery, if the full fee-for-service rate was say, $100,000, then the private insurance is paying like $38,000, while Medicare is paying like $23,000 for the same service. Medicaid is even lower than that.

 

[hal2kilo]

It's legal for Bloomberg to donate millions to a PAC for Biden right?

The rest of the post is back story blather, no need to really have to read it. My query above is another simple question I can't seem to get an answer from a Google search by looking at the short paragraphs on the first and second search results pages. Yeah if I read each and every article full length I'd probably find the answer.

But two things are faster. 1 is to assume that everyone knows it's legal as if it's common knowledge and so that's why it doesn't appear in the short paragraphs showing on the search results. It's an assumption that may or may not be true. And 2 is to ask here on the forum since someone probably knows a link to an article that answers and explains it.

edit - My dad was a lawyer and it's rubbed off in my posting style. Ah and I see on tv some info trickling in: He can donate the millions to a PAC as long as Biden doesn't endorse the money is from Bloomberg in Biden ads on tv/net. So I guess Bloomberg can run his own ads to support Biden.

SCOTUS says the people don't care where the money comes from. Oh, it's supposed to be about free speech.