Super Tuesday Results

[sandorski]

Entities outside the Democratic Party advocating for Bernie...

Trump
Republican Party
Fox News
The Russians

What does that tell you?

Nothing.

 

[woolfe9998]

Medicaid is definitely a significant cut in most instances. I'm not sure from your data if that reflects the money that actually changed hands when comparing private insurance versus Medicare.

Yes, it's the money that actually changed hands. It's an important distinction in injury litigation because in my state a plaintiff can only recover the amount actually paid by insurance for medical services, not what is billed. Hence, in every case we needed to know exactly what was paid.

 

[woolfe9998]

Maybe I was duped by the widespread claims that doctors are fleeing Medicare.

I could only hazard a guess where these "claims" are ultimately sourced...

 

[soulcougher73]

In a winner take all system, power will coalesce to 2 parties. People need to live in reality and work within what we have instead of just screaming at clouds and sitting out. No system on earth gives 2 shits about people (or voting block) that are not a key to power.

Exactly. I believe the Dems suffer from this right now. They havent kept up with the changing times very well. They core dem party is still too moderate for most liberals. They will lose more power if they dont change to keep up with what their voting block wants. They have been reluctant to do so to this point.

I have thought for years that Obamacare was Medicare-for-all beta 1.0. Figured we'd eventually get For All version 3.1, a winner.

That is definitely the best version haha

 

[nakedfrog]

If you believe that, sincerely, you might need a bucket for your tears on election day. I don't see any such thing happening. Biden and Sanders are probably the easiest for Trump to beat. I felt Bloomberg, or Warren might have been the ones who could beat him, but unfortunately, they failed to gain traction.

However, your connection to reality is tenuous at best.

 

[woolfe9998]

The voters have an 85%? The EC indeed isn't a fix because that's Constitutional. In the case of the DNC it is 100% of what they allow. Now you can justify things any way you like but I as a voter for a Democrat candidate who has the plurality with me can have that taken away.

As far as not being governmental organizations, that's a distinction without a difference in this case because the Parties ARE government, at least the force that tells everyone else what to do and the party members, the voters to go eff themselves.

Parties need to be torn down and ripped out by the roots but they are in fact our masters and would never allow it.

But please no one ever complain about what happens to us as subjects nor claim that this is a functional republic anymore, if it ever has been. The representatives put in office don't even need to be selected but can be appointed.

So we can skip voting, vote for one candidate in which there was no final say in reality vs the other appointed by God.

What a fucked up hobson's choice, but at least I get to pick my master over the other in the general.

You complain a lot about something which has not once been a deciding factor in the dem primary, in any election since its adoption in 1984.

I think a much larger problem for democrats right now than the superdelegate rule is the fact that we have factions which are claiming elections are "rigged" or "fixed" against their candidate. Just like with Ron Paul. Just like with Trump. These constant accusations of rigging and fixing elections range from exaggerations at best to fabrications at worst. They are undermining faith in democracy, damaging it far more than any superdelegate rule by a political party organization could ever do.

We have far bigger problems right now than party superdelegates and if we don't stop sniping at each other over well known rules it's going to be a lot worse problem.

But go ahead and say it's a fix. It's what Trump and Fox News are saying, that the dems are screwing over Bernie. It's a narrative they're pushing on us. So why not just join in, right?

 

[Starbuck1975]

Well, who votes for someone they think can't win? Some people, sure. Plenty of people voted for Biden because they think he has the better chance of winning in Nov.

That narrative shifted abruptly. Most news networks are reporting that Biden benefitted most from late deciders, swung largely by Klobuchar and Buttigieg...wonder what appointments they were offered to help slay the scary socialist.

 

[Brainonska511]

Exactly. I believe the Dems suffer from this right now. They havent kept up with the changing times very well. They core dem party is still too moderate for most liberals. They will lose more power if they dont change to keep up with what their voting block wants. They have been reluctant to do so to this point.

I don't think you understood what I was saying. Being a key to power gets you power. If progressives want a voice, they need to push their policies and actually vote, which includes showing up in general elections to put less preferred candidates (eg, moderates) in office over right wing people, and supporting progressive politicians at lesser positions (which is effectively the minor leagues for politicians). When it's clear that the key to victory is a progressive voting block, they will work to appease it.

 

[ultimatebob]

Im fired up for Joe. He can certainly take down trump, especially with bloomberg's advertising and messaging to assist him.,

Really? It seems like a 2016 replay to me. You're going to have a lot of pissed off Bernie Sanders supporters who had the nomination "stolen" from them staying home and letting Trump cruise to reelection.

Not to mention Trump's "The Democrats tried to IMPEACH me to keep you from learning the TRUTH about the Bidens and Ukraine!" narrative, coming to an Biden attack ad from the Trump campaign this summer. He'll have no problems getting his voters out after airing a few of those.

 

[HomerJS]

Really? It seems like a 2016 replay to me. You're going to have a lot of pissed off Bernie Sanders supporters who had the nomination "stolen" from them staying home and letting Trump cruise to reelection.

Bernie Bros had a legit beef last time. This time they were in the room and helped write the rules so I don't see the beef this time.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

Really? It seems like a 2016 replay to me. You're going to have a lot of pissed off Bernie Sanders supporters who had the nomination "stolen" from them staying home and letting Trump cruise to reelection.

Not to mention Trump's "The Democrats tried to IMPEACH me to keep you from learning the TRUTH about the Bidens and Ukraine!" narrative, coming to an Biden attack ad from the Trump campaign this summer. He'll have no problems getting his voters out after airing a few of those.

Maybe but maybe Bloomberg’s shoot to kill advertising will change the election. Hillary ran a pretty standard operation and avoided throwing mud.
Bloomberg has zero problems throwing mud.

 

[hal2kilo]

Relatively objective analysis about why Bernie supporters think Biden won in many of the primaries.

Bernie Sanders’ revolution sputtered on Super Tuesday. His supporters think they know why.

“The establishment’s getting scared.”

www.motherjones.com

 

[Jhhnn]

That narrative shifted abruptly. Most news networks are reporting that Biden benefitted most from late deciders, swung largely by Klobuchar and Buttigieg...wonder what appointments they were offered to help slay the scary socialist.

Always with the scurrilous innuendo.

 

[Jhhnn]

Really? It seems like a 2016 replay to me. You're going to have a lot of pissed off Bernie Sanders supporters who had the nomination "stolen" from them staying home and letting Trump cruise to reelection.

Not to mention Trump's "The Democrats tried to IMPEACH me to keep you from learning the TRUTH about the Bidens and Ukraine!" narrative, coming to an Biden attack ad from the Trump campaign this summer. He'll have no problems getting his voters out after airing a few of those.

Heh. They stayed home in 2016 because they were just sure she was gonna win anyway. Four years of living with that folly likely tightened them up just a tad... At least I hope so.

 

[interchange]

Yes, it's the money that actually changed hands. It's an important distinction in injury litigation because in my state a plaintiff can only recover the amount actually paid by insurance for medical services, not what is billed. Hence, in every case we needed to know exactly what was paid.

Thanks for the clarification. The thing is so damn complicated. Different services are going to have different reimbursements so good data on one kind of care isn't easy to universalize. Certainly there is a lot more administrative burden to certify coverage and do prior authorizations, etc. in the private insurance world that would become unnecessary in the single payer landscape. That's certainly waste, but at the same time it's a lot of jobs. On the whole, reputable analyses of cost/savings are uncertain where it ends up, but unequivocally I believe it to be better care on the whole and certainly better access to those with barriers. I have rarely met a doctor not in support of it (again, my slice of colleagues may not be a representative sample). I have met many who would want to take Medicaid but just can't justify the poor reimbursement.

 

[woolfe9998]

Thanks for the clarification. The thing is so damn complicated. Different services are going to have different reimbursements so good data on one kind of care isn't easy to universalize. Certainly there is a lot more administrative burden to certify coverage and do prior authorizations, etc. in the private insurance world that would become unnecessary in the single payer landscape. That's certainly waste, but at the same time it's a lot of jobs. On the whole, reputable analyses of cost/savings are uncertain where it ends up, but unequivocally I believe it to be better care on the whole and certainly better access to those with barriers. I have rarely met a doctor not in support of it (again, my slice of colleagues may not be a representative sample). I have met many who would want to take Medicaid but just can't justify the poor reimbursement.

Single payer is definitely more efficient, which is why we eventually need to end up there. There are several reasons for this, but the paperwork savings is an immense one. In Canada they don't do itemized patient billing. Instead, the medical providers submit a cost accounting to the state payer and get reimbursed. There is no need for itemized billing when there is only one payer. A Harvard study I read some years back says that the elimination of billing paperwork alone would save about 19% of our healthcare costs.

 

[soulcougher73]

I don't think you understood what I was saying. Being a key to power gets you power. If progressives want a voice, they need to push their policies and actually vote, which includes showing up in general elections to put less preferred candidates (eg, moderates) in office over right wing people, and supporting progressive politicians at lesser positions (which is effectively the minor leagues for politicians). When it's clear that the key to victory is a progressive voting block, they will work to appease it.

And maybe the Dems lack of victories lately have been because they haven't been appeasing the ever growing progressive block of voters. It goes both ways. I'm just looking at it more form the voter side where the closest party you may align with isn't all that close, so the incentive/enthusiasm isn't really there. Which is contagious can can spread like wildfire if you just feed it. People want a candidate/party to be excited about. The lesser of two evils gets old.

I just feel the days of moderate Dems is limited. They need to either ebb with the flow or get left behind.

These are my feelings at least. I'm not saying i'm right, but its what i think is happening at least.

 

[alcoholbob]

Like I said above, you cannot do catastrophic insurance under current ACA regs, because all medical insurance policies have to cover preventive care free of deductibles.

Private insurance pays more to medical providers than does Medicare and they also have to turn a profit. I don't see how the insurance companies can compete. At the very least, they're going to lose the majority of their current total market share.

Germany has had a public option for a long time. I guess its possible the public option leads to a single payer system over time. Will America get a public option any time soon? I doubt it.

The democratic party has moved quite a bit to the right since 2008. Hillary ran on single payer and Obama ran on the public option, and despite having a majority in both houses and an enthusiastic president leading the charge, we didn't get the public option. Today running on single payer is considered much further outside the establishment lane than it was in 2008, it's now considered the far left position. And Biden is far more conservative than Obama and won't likely make more than a token attempt to push for a public option. This will invariably lead to another Republican administration as the right wing populist playbook can be exploited again by someone smarter than Trump.

 

[hal2kilo]

Really? It seems like a 2016 replay to me. You're going to have a lot of pissed off Bernie Sanders supporters who had the nomination "stolen" from them staying home and letting Trump cruise to reelection.

Not to mention Trump's "The Democrats tried to IMPEACH me to keep you from learning the TRUTH about the Bidens and Ukraine!" narrative, coming to an Biden attack ad from the Trump campaign this summer. He'll have no problems getting his voters out after airing a few of those.

Trump's trashed that as a campaign weapon.

 

[hal2kilo]

Warren's waffling as of now.

'We fell well short': Warren team considers ending campaign

Warren is spending Wednesday with her campaign team to "assess the path forward," an aide said.

www.politico.com

 

[Blackjack200]

Warren's waffling as of now.

'We fell well short': Warren team considers ending campaign

Warren is spending Wednesday with her campaign team to "assess the path forward," an aide said.

www.politico.com

60% - Endorses Biden
30% - Endorses Nobody
10% - Does something stupid like endorsing Bernie's "ideas" but "we need someone to beat Trump first (i.e. Biden)"

 

[eelw]

Back to comments on someone from DNC talked to Pete or Amy to drop out. On Sunday, Pete had lunch with Jimmy Carter and then later talked to Obama on the phone. Yeah whether it was just pointing out the plain truth or some arm twisting, they got that ball rolling. But how much coordination to get Pete, Amy and Beto to endorse together on Monday?

 

[Brainonska511]

And maybe the Dems lack of victories lately have been because they haven't been appeasing the ever growing progressive block of voters. It goes both ways. I'm just looking at it more form the voter side where the closest party you may align with isn't all that close, so the incentive/enthusiasm isn't really there. Which is contagious can can spread like wildfire if you just feed it. People want a candidate/party to be excited about. The lesser of two evils gets old.

I just feel the days of moderate Dems is limited. They need to either ebb with the flow or get left behind.

These are my feelings at least. I'm not saying i'm right, but its what i think is happening at least.

Dems did a pretty good job in 2018, the most recent, relevant general election. And even got a few more progressive voices in Congress, so I'm not really seeing the problem.

Being a key to power also doesn't mean you're the only key to power

 

[Starbuck1975]

Always with the scurrilous innuendo.

As an independent, I cast my vote for Sanders last night and will hold my nose and vote for Biden in November, but I also think Biden is the most vulnerable candidate to the types of attacks that took down she who shall not be named, and I am scratching my head that you guys decided to double down on mediocrity just because Biden won a state that is out of play for the Democrats in a general election.

 

[hal2kilo]

Back to comments on someone from DNC talked to Pete or Amy to drop out. On Sunday, Pete had lunch with Jimmy Carter and then later talked to Obama on the phone. Yeah whether it was just pointing out the plain truth or some arm twisting, they got that ball rolling. But how much coordination to get Pete, Amy and Beto to endorse together on Monday?

Carter's not twisting anybody's arm.