Super Tuesday Results

[Fanatical Meat]

60% - Endorses Biden
30% - Endorses Nobody
10% - Does something stupid like endorsing Bernie's "ideas" but "we need someone to beat Trump first (i.e. Biden)"

Just heard on the radio 60% Biden 40% Bernie
I believe they said other responses were statistically irrelevant

 

[Jaskalas]

While I'll vote for Biden over Trump, in addition to a lot of his politics I am also concerned with what appears to be a declining mental capacity. We might have a debate where neither candidate can form a coherent thought.

It'll be a debate that has never been closer to a true reflection of the voters.

 

[fleshconsumed]

As an independent, I cast my vote for Sanders last night and will hold my nose and vote for Biden in November, but I also think Biden is the most vulnerable candidate to the types of attacks that took down she who shall not be named, and I am scratching my head that you guys decided to double down on mediocrity just because Biden won a state that is out of play for the Democrats in a general election.

Just want to say I'm proud of you.

 

[Zorba]

Would never vote for Trump. Didn’t vote for him last time.

Thinking about the states that the Democrats need to win, which states can status quo Joe take from Trump?

Florida, Virginia, NC, Texas, Penn...

 

[compuwiz1]

Florida, Virginia, NC, Texas, Penn...

Just read somewhere where Trump got 1.8 million primary votes in Texas and I believe that's more than Biden and Sanders combined. Anyone know for sure?

 

[Fanatical Meat]

Just read somewhere where Trump got 1.8 million primary votes in Texas and I believe that's more than Biden and Sanders combined. Anyone know for sure?

Yeah I call BS on the Texas claim

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

You complain a lot about something which has not once been a deciding factor in the dem primary, in any election since its adoption in 1984.

I think a much larger problem for democrats right now than the superdelegate rule is the fact that we have factions which are claiming elections are "rigged" or "fixed" against their candidate. Just like with Ron Paul. Just like with Trump. These constant accusations of rigging and fixing elections range from exaggerations at best to fabrications at worst. They are undermining faith in democracy, damaging it far more than any superdelegate rule by a political party organization could ever do.

We have far bigger problems right now than party superdelegates and if we don't stop sniping at each other over well known rules it's going to be a lot worse problem.

But go ahead and say it's a fix. It's what Trump and Fox News are saying, that the dems are screwing over Bernie. It's a narrative they're pushing on us. So why not just join in, right?

Please, that's not your best line of attack, in fact it's specious.

Superdelegates have not been a problem since 1984. Trump and the current political atmosphere hasn't either, so that's irrelevant. It wasn't a problem because it was a loophole that didn't need to be used. Now? Well from your tone it won't be used again. Thanks for that.

Paul, Trump? If these people weren't a problem we wouldn't automatically be in the anybody but Trump mode as we are right now. Everyone knows the obvious.

But go ahead and say it's a fix. It's what Trump and Fox News are saying, that the dems are screwing over Bernie. It's a narrative they're pushing on us. So why not just join in, right?

That's an argument that would get your case thrown out of kiddie court. On the basis of facts the Party DOES INDEED HAVE THE ABILITY TO DO AS I SAY. Disagree? Demonstrate that before the court of public opinion with facts that disprove my statement. So why not just join in?- That's silly. My opinion and facts I state have zero influence on anyone. Why not join in? Because it would be stupid. I'm not going to support the GOP and my criticisms may not appeal to the partisan, but again based on facts. Opinion shaming won't work.

 

[nakedfrog]

Yeah I call BS on the Texas claim

It does appear to be true, however, if you expand the Democratic primary numbers to include Bloomberg, Warren, Buttigieg, and Klobuchar, then you get just shy of 2 million. But that wouldn't convey the message he wants it to convey.

 

[Blackjack200]

It does appear to be true, however, if you expand the Democratic primary numbers to include Bloomberg, Warren, Buttigieg, and Klobuchar, then you get just shy of 2 million. But that wouldn't convey the message he wants it to convey.

Are we comparing turnout for a contested primary vs. uncontested?

 

[hal2kilo]

Just saw a Bloomberg ad. Ha, ha.

 

[nakedfrog]

Are we comparing turnout for a contested primary vs. uncontested?

Apparently so. Honestly I didn't realize there were that many other Republican candidates on the ballot. Just trying to get their names out there for 2024 or something?

 

[Maxima1]

What the hell is artificial momentum?

Well, I find it weird people feel the process is wronged if certain states go first, yet a couple of pols (entirely different interests than the vast majority of the public) using their endorsements to advantage the establishment is A-OK. The whole point of endorsements is to get low information voters to not think for themselves.

For the last 30+ years though our biggest problem has been precisely that power brokers and backroom deals are no longer effective, partisans use primaries to get rid of those people and replace them with crazy ideologues.

Even outside of the Trumpian people, Republican so-called "moderates" throughout the last few decades have packed the courts with ideologues. It wasn't just Trump people who gave the new absurd Obamacare challenge legs. Our biggest problem is one side has been lurching far right with the aid of their propaganda, while the other side plays Republican-lite, since both sides cater to influences outside of the voting public.

It would be funny, if it weren't so sad, how much Biden supporters project onto their candidate things that they wish he would do, but he very clearly would not. Look at this headline, and then remind yourself that most of these people voted for Biden. https://www.commondreams.org/news/2...ajority-democratic-voters-support-eliminating

Biden will not address the abuses and law breaking. He will get into office and continue governing the same way Obama and Trump have.

Yep. This is one of the disappointing things that will happen with a Biden admin. He’s already tried to protect the image of Republicans, so I doubt he’ll do the right thing and hold them accountable for all the illegal crap.

Bernie didn't manage to create the coalition he claimed (though he has done very well with Hispanics) he would or turn out the elevated number of voters he expected to. When things went wrong the campaign and surrogates said nasty things about the people who didn't vote for them. Doesn't seem like the way to win to me.

There appears to be nothing that can be done about black voters. That’s the Achilles heel of progressives. It doesn’t help either that Biden got optimal timing of free media, and helpful endorsements.

The country as a whole just may not be ready for some of those progressive policies. As someone from Canada I'm totally on board with them, but it seems as though that's not the case there.

This is largely bullshit. We had legislation for single-payer decades ago. Jimmy Carter could have gotten us to it, but he squandered his chances. What’s more, single-payer (not necessarily covering everything MRA does) is sort of a moderate position because it roots out the inefficiencies and controls costs better than our current system.

And as we see with Brexit and the same shitshow everywhere else, multiparty systems don't fare any better with regards to this type of stuff, so people need to get the fuck over it. Just like the morons constantly bemoaning the lack of some perfect messiah candidate. No such person exists. Never has, never will. People need to get the fuck over it and start using their brains, and using logic and rationality.

Because they have their own EC-like problem.

How is superdelegates voting against Bernie a "fix?" By rule, 15% of all delegates are superdelegates. This is known and is above board. If people don't like the rule, then lobby to get it changed. It isn't a "fix" by any definition of that word.

Why do we even need them? The whole point of keeping the superdelegates is to deny progressives if they get a plurality. Funnily enough, they try to say it was “Bernie’s rules”, but his team wanted no superdelegates.

Another thing which is getting tiresome is that I know even if Bernie loses the popular vote and the bulk of ordinary delegates his supporters are still going to say it's a fix. Because it's exactly what they did in 2016. It's one thing that Trumpers, Bernie Bros and Paulbots have in common. If their candidate loses, it's always a fix.

Not really anymore than the PUMAs in 2008(Party Unity My Ass). Bernie supporters are only about 50% more likely to say they won’t back the nominee than Biden supporters.

You complain a lot about something which has not once been a deciding factor in the dem primary, in any election since its adoption in 1984.

I think a much larger problem for democrats right now than the superdelegate rule is the fact that we have factions which are claiming elections are "rigged" or "fixed" against their candidate. Just like with Ron Paul. Just like with Trump. These constant accusations of rigging and fixing elections range from exaggerations at best to fabrications at worst. They are undermining faith in democracy, damaging it far more than any superdelegate rule by a political party organization could ever do.

So they should just as easily give up on it, right? And if you think the constant claims of “rigging” hurt the party, why doesn’t the establishment just get rid of it? For some reason they feel they get a benefit from it that outweighs that concern.

Bernie Bros had a legit beef last time. This time they were in the room and helped write the rules so I don't see the beef this time.

Bernie’s team didn’t want any superdelegates.

 

[Starbuck1975]

Florida, Virginia, NC, Texas, Penn...

Florida - doubtful
Virginia - depends on economy
NC - unlikely
Texas - lol
Penn - home field advantage, so likely

 

[hal2kilo]

Florida - doubtful
Virginia - depends on economy
NC - unlikely
Texas - lol
Penn - home field advantage, so likely

VA's gone quite blue. Trump's no shoe in even if he owns a golf course in NOVA.

 

[Jhhnn]

Germany has had a public option for a long time. I guess its possible the public option leads to a single payer system over time. Will America get a public option any time soon? I doubt it.

The democratic party has moved quite a bit to the right since 2008. Hillary ran on single payer and Obama ran on the public option, and despite having a majority in both houses and an enthusiastic president leading the charge, we didn't get the public option. Today running on single payer is considered much further outside the establishment lane than it was in 2008, it's now considered the far left position. And Biden is far more conservative than Obama and won't likely make more than a token attempt to push for a public option. This will invariably lead to another Republican administration as the right wing populist playbook can be exploited again by someone smarter than Trump.

If anything, Dems have moved in the direction of single payer. Clinton didn't run on single payer-

No, Clinton has not been after single payer for years

<p><b>'But she wants to go to single payer, which means the government basically rules everything. Hillary Clinton has been after this for years.'- Donald Trump </b></p>

www.politico.com

 

[Blackjack200]

Apparently so. Honestly I didn't realize there were that many other Republican candidates on the ballot. Just trying to get their names out there for 2024 or something?

There's always a few weird long-shot bids. I honestly don't know why these people go to all the trouble. Obama had 51 primary "opponents" in 2012.

2012 Democratic Party presidential candidates - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[Maxima1]

If anything, Dems have moved in the direction of single payer. Clinton didn't run on single payer-

No, Clinton has not been after single payer for years

<p><b>'But she wants to go to single payer, which means the government basically rules everything. Hillary Clinton has been after this for years.'- Donald Trump </b></p>

www.politico.com

Yes. Because of people like Bernie advocating for it. The establishment wishes the Bernies and AOCs didn't exist at all.

 

[fskimospy]

Florida - doubtful
Virginia - depends on economy
NC - unlikely
Texas - lol
Penn - home field advantage, so likely

Trump will lose Virginia and lose it badly. That state is simply gone for Republicans.

 

[UNCjigga]

Trump will lose Virginia and lose it badly. That state is simply gone for Republicans.

The rural right has had somewhat of a resurgence with the failure of gun control measures in Richmond. All depends on turnout in northern counties vs. southern/western counties.

 

[K1052]

The rural right has had somewhat of a resurgence with the failure of gun control measures in Richmond. All depends on turnout in northern counties vs. southern/western counties.

Dem primary turnouts in VA:

2016: 700K
2020: 1.3M

yeah if Trump wants to campaign there he's welcome to it

 

[fskimospy]

The rural right has had somewhat of a resurgence with the failure of gun control measures in Richmond. All depends on turnout in northern counties vs. southern/western counties.

Trump lost it by 5 points in 2016 and Republicans lost it by 14 points in 2018. The state continues to get bluer too.

Absent some sort of nationwide Trump landslide Virginia is gone.

 

[hal2kilo]

Dem primary turnouts in VA:

2016: 700K
2020: 1.3M

yeah if Trump wants to campaign there he's welcome to it

Was visiting with my brother over Xmas in Virginia and I said I was surprised that Richmond had a democratic mayor and he kind of blurted out that Virginia has really gone blue, with my other brother chiming in.

 

[K1052]

Was visiting with my brother over Xmas in Virginia and I said I was surprised that Richmond had a democratic mayor and he kind of blurted out that Virginia has really gone blue, with my other brother chiming in.

I mean the state government is a Democratic trifecta. This is not a place on the bubble of heading back to Trump's column, at all

 

[Bitek]

If the betting markets are right, ultimately all the Democratic candidates this cycle were doomed.

Very well could be, hence Trump constantly trying to goose the Fed into cutting rates, and promises of more tax cuts.

Knives are out

 

[K1052]

Very well could be, hence Trump constantly trying to goose the Fed into cutting rates, and promises of more tax cuts.

Knives are out

I would honestly love to see Trump try explaining negative rates to the American public.