STICKY: ATi 5xxx pre-release thread

[Tempered81]

Well shaq you're right, the 295 (and likely 285 as well) is going to outperform the 5870 in probably every bench in every game ran at 1024 res, and probably 75% of games ran at 1680x1050. The tables turn when you increase resolution and AA/AF and once you reach the highest end 8xAA on 24" or greater monitors, the 5870 gains an advantage over the gtx295. Once you reach 8xAA 1920/2560 the 5870 is winning 75% of the benches. I would call it a tossup between the 295 and 5870, however you are correct saying they paint it in the best light showing only the highest end 8xAA benchmarks.

In the NFS SHIFT benchmark, gtx285 drops from 95 fps to 51 fps going from 1920x1200 0AA to 2560x1600 4xAA, the 5870 goes from 66 fps to 62 fps.

 

[Ayah]

I'm hoping the Canadian price on these aren't a liver.

 

[solofly]

Originally posted by: Shaq
I don't like whoever is doing this. They cherry pick where the 5870 beats the 295 and highlight and ignore the other settings where it loses. It makes me question their veracity/accuracy. For instance Stalker:CS 1920 with 4AA is on the bottom and not 2560 becuase the 295 actually ties at 2560 so you can't highlight that. They only highlight the most favorable 5870 settings-- Definitely a biased chart. Wolfenstein is even better. The 295 beats it at every resolution but 2560 with 8AA so that is what is highlighted. lol

The Xfire vs. 295 quad-SLI results don't surprise me as 4 cards is a lot less efficient than 2. The 295 competed very well against 4870 quad-fire in certain games and in bang vs. buck.

How long is the 5870x2? It has to be 11" at least.

Get ready to get smoked, by me...

 

[Tempered81]

5870 vs. GTX285 AA performance 4x to 8x :

http://www.videokonsolu.com/?p=1252

 

[ronnn]

Doesn't mean alot without knowing the resolution and actual frame rates. At least to me.

 

[nyker96]

the benchmarks are looking solid, although the next gen dx11 from NV will probably be faster on a single gpu basis however, rumor has it that NV is having production problems due to the size of that gpu. anyways, good solid benchmarks here. one thing stood out is that at single card hd5xxx is trading blows with 295 but when doubled up ATI comes out on top on every single benchmarks, which suggests that the new hd5xxx architecture is quite suited for xfire setup and also the driver support is solid. all in all excellent news, I wonder when will they show some dx11 demo to hilight the new card's benefits over dx10 parts.

 

[MarcVenice]

Originally posted by: Tempered81
Well shaq you're right, the 295 (and likely 285 as well) is going to outperform the 5870 in probably every bench in every game ran at 1024 res, and probably 75% of games ran at 1680x1050. The tables turn when you increase resolution and AA/AF and once you reach the highest end 8xAA on 24" or greater monitors, the 5870 gains an advantage over the gtx295. Once you reach 8xAA 1920/2560 the 5870 is winning 75% of the benches. I would call it a tossup between the 295 and 5870, however you are correct saying they paint it in the best light showing only the highest end 8xAA benchmarks.

In the NFS SHIFT benchmark, gtx285 drops from 95 fps to 51 fps going from 1920x1200 0AA to 2560x1600 4xAA, the 5870 goes from 66 fps to 62 fps.

Where do you see the Shift-benchmark? Shift runs like shit on ati-cards, including the HD 5870. Blame the devs ...

 

[zod96]

Wow that chart is really confusing....

 

[Tempered81]

Originally posted by: ronnn
Doesn't mean alot without knowing the resolution and actual frame rates. At least to me.

Frame rates w/ resolution are out there by the dozen. You've missed the point.


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Okay something easier to read:

http://img230.imageshack.us/im...chmarkspreadsheet2.jpg

 

[zod96]

Also remember I don't think nvidia's next gen card is even coming out this year I've heard january at the earliest

http://www.theinquirer.net/inq...t300-delayed-till-2010

 

[ronnn]

Still would like to know the resolution they used to show such a little performance hit.

 

[StinkyPinky]

The only thing that worries me is the lack of physx. Nvidia are pushing that pretty hard.

 

[Tempered81]

Originally posted by: MarcVenice

Originally posted by: Tempered81
In the NFS SHIFT benchmark, gtx285 drops from 95 fps to 51 fps going from 1920x1200 0AA to 2560x1600 4xAA, the 5870 goes from 66 fps to 62 fps.

Where do you see the Shift-benchmark? Shift runs like shit on ati-cards, including the HD 5870. Blame the devs ...

I've nabbed them off INPAI and put them herehttp://www.xtremesystems.org/f...howthread.php?t=234555

 

[zod96]

Physx. I've tried some games with that and I am totally unimpressed. I could totally forget about that and not even be bothered...

 

[happy medium]

Originally posted by: Shaq
I don't like whoever is doing this. They cherry pick where the 5870 beats the 295 and highlight and ignore the other settings where it loses. It makes me question their veracity/accuracy. For instance Stalker:CS 1920 with 4AA is on the bottom and not 2560 becuase the 295 actually ties at 2560 so you can't highlight that. They only highlight the most favorable 5870 settings-- Definitely a biased chart. Wolfenstein is even better. The 295 beats it at every resolution but 2560 with 8AA so that is what is highlighted. lol

The Xfire vs. 295 quad-SLI results don't surprise me as 4 cards is a lot less efficient than 2. The 295 competed very well against 4870 quad-fire in certain games and in bang vs. buck.

How long is the 5870x2? It has to be 11" at least.

5870 is 10.46 inches and the 5870x2 is 11.66 inches

 

[sandorski]

NDAs expire this week?

 

[ShadowOfMyself]

Well those benchs seem legit... Its not a huge leap over current gen but pretty nice nonetheless

DX11 figures could be different though

 

[videogames101]

Originally posted by: StinkyPinky
The only thing that worries me is the lack of physx. Nvidia are pushing that pretty hard.

Failure.

By making PhysX proprietary, they've shot themselves in the foot, because most devs won't want to bother making changes to their engine so half their customer base can enjoy it.

 

[Qbah]

Originally posted by: ShadowOfMyself
Well those benchs seem legit... Its not a huge leap over current gen but pretty nice nonetheless

DX11 figures could be different though

Well, look at it this way:

HD3870 ~ HD2900XT ~ X1950XTX (especially with AA on)
HD4870 > HD3870x2
HD5870 > HD4870x2

So a current fastest single GPU was faster that last generation's fastest card (two GPUs usually). Looks awesome imo. Though it's a "new" trend for ATi The HD2900XT was hardly faster at launch than the X1950XTX (granted, the DX9 card was a beast, still...). And the HD3870 was similar in performance to HD2900XT. There was a x2 model though which was the fastest ATi card in that generation.

Comparing that to nVidia:

9800GTX ~ 8800GTX >> 7950GX2 (the 8-series were killer cards )
GTX280 < 9800GX2
GTX380 ? GTX295

The 9800GX2 is basically downclocked 2x8800GT cards... And GTX280 wasn't faster than the 9800GX2, it was slower most of the time - so this one's kinda the odd one out.

I'd say it's a huge leap for ATi and in line what the HD48xx series was.


EDIT: A few corrections and changed the nVidia part a bit to be in-line with ATi part.

 

[alcoholbob]

According to postumus at Xtremesystems (who legitimately looks like he has 5870), 1920x1080 Very High 4xAA/8xAF he got 27.2fps during the Crysis "benchmark_gpu" timedemo, which looks like about ~28% faster than a comparable GTX285 under the same settings (~21fps).

On average the GTX295 is about 35% faster than a GTX285 on Crysis so the HD 5870 looks like a monster of a card so far (~95% as fast as the 295 with a single GPU).

Pretty sad that we consider ~30fps to be playable on a game these days tho :laugh:

 

[alcoholbob]

Hahaha, 35fps with a GTX285 with 4xAA/8xAF in Crysis? Highest setting DX9 maybe. DX10 would be more like 21fps. In the harder levels it would be closer to 15-17fps.

 

[gizbug]

Release date on these new ATI cards?

 

[dflynchimp]

Originally posted by: Qbah

Originally posted by: ShadowOfMyself
Well those benchs seem legit... Its not a huge leap over current gen but pretty nice nonetheless

DX11 figures could be different though

Well, look at it this way:

HD3870 ~ HD2900XT ~ X1950XTX (especially with AA on)
HD4870 > HD3870x2
HD5870 > HD4870x2

So a current fastest single GPU was faster that last generation's fastest card (two GPUs usually). Looks awesome imo. Though it's a "new" trend for ATi The HD2900XT was hardly faster at launch than the X1950XTX (granted, the DX9 card was a beast, still...). And the HD3870 was similar in performance to HD2900XT. There was a x2 model though which was the fastest ATi card in that generation.

Comparing that to nVidia:

9800GTX ~ 8800GTX >> 7950GX2 (the 8-series were killer cards )
GTX280 < 9800GX2
GTX380 ? GTX295

The 9800GX2 is basically downclocked 2x8800GT cards... And GTX280 wasn't faster than the 9800GX2, it was slower most of the time - so this one's kinda the odd one out.

I'd say it's a huge leap for ATi and in line what the HD48xx series was.


EDIT: A few corrections and changed the nVidia part a bit to be in-line with ATi part.

actually the GTX280 has since surpassed the 9800GX2 in performance due to driver improvements. I remember keeping up with the benchmarks for quite a bit as I was deciding between the 9800GX2 and a NV2XX/ATI4XXX part. The 9800GX2 was very impressive at the beginning, but failed to continue improving its performance with subsequent driver updates.

 

[lopri]

Not terribly happy about the length of the 5870 as well as its rumored price. The card design is an improvement aesthetically but I was hoping AMD would stick to ATX specification (9.6"). Price-wise, $400 seems a little too much. It may be competitive with other cards, but I am kinda accustomed to progress.. I'd like to get more for the same as time goes by.

 

[Bateluer]

Originally posted by: gizbug
Release date on these new ATI cards?

Official launch is supposedly this coming week, so the NDAs will lift and there will be a slew of reviews and benchmarks.

It remains to be seen if cards will be available at launch though. ATI hasn't done a paper launch in a while.

Oh, Qbah, your statement about the 2900XT's performance is inaccurate. I had both cards and the 2900XT handily bested the 1950XTX in DX9, more so once its drivers were refined.