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Th3Loonatic

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Serious? A seller in mine tells that it'll be available for collection on the 23 of this month. 24 the latest.
 
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zebrax2

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Originally posted by: yacoub
Originally posted by: BFG10K
Originally posted by: bunnyfubbles

1. inexperienced users / arm chair physicists believe the design to be superior because logic suggests that it would be better to dump the heat directly out of the case. (the problem here is that such people aren't accounting for proper ventilation - with it, the design isn't necessary as any heat given off by the card's cooler will be vented out anyways, and even if there is poor ventilation this means you're then cooling your video card with warm air...) Thus users want this design, even if it is inferior in the real world.
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I?ve tried many examples of both and I vastly prefer closed GPU cooling. GPUs produce a lot of heat; the next time you?re gaming put your finger next to the exhaust grill to see how hot it is. I don?t want any of that leaking into my case, especially not hours on end when I game.
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Then you must be someone who doesn't care about GPU noise, because those type of GPU cooling systems (the rodent cage blower style fan stuck onto an enclosed card cover) are noisy as heck when they ramp up high & loud under load. The rest of us who live/work/play in a quiet room where the GPU fan would easily be the loudest thing, far prefer an aftermarket cooler with a big slow-turning fan and good case airflow. We get the low temps and the quieter rig, we just have to spend a few bucks more and apply a little elbow grease and alcohol to swap out the stock hsg and strap a superior aftermarket cooler onto the card... and of course start with a case with good airflow.

It's not that you're wrong, you just have different priorities. Bunnyfubbles is right too -- for those of us who care about quiet and cool and understand how best to achieve it.
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He already replied to what you are saying

Originally posted by: BFG10K

As an example, a passively cooled 7800 GT made my system far noisier and hotter than a 7900 GTX because the 7900 GTX exhausted most of its hot air out of the case. The noise was coming entirely from the CPU and the PSU fans spinning up from the hot air being dumped into case.
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I had to sell my 4890 because older games in windows 7 would not work with vysnc. Game in point BF2. I tried forcing it in the control panel but that did nothing. And their is no in game option to force it in Bf2. So I switched to Nvidia and got a GTX285. Forcing Vysnc in the nvidia control panel works just fine in BF2. Can someone with an Ati card try and force vsync in BF2 and see if it works? And yes I have tried rivatuner and vsync will work then, but then punkbuster kicks you for having some unknown api thing...
 
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zod96

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Yeah if these benches are correct then the 5870 is hands down the fastest single card beating even the GTX295....
 
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zagood

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I should hope the next generation of cards beats the previous generation...

Is anyone else not surprised by this? If there were leaked internal graphs from nV showing the 5870 v GT300, then WOW...but that's not the case.

Even so, take a closer look at the 5870 v 295 image, ignoring the gray highlights, you'll see much more balanced results with 5870 in general pulling ahead at max res. but that's about it.

Hypothetically, if GT300 has as much of a performance increase over GT200 as 580xx has over 48xx, then ATi is in trouble if they don't price it right and/or launch far enough ahead of nV.

Argh, now I'm guilty of speculation. Just release the damn cards already.
 
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Piano Man

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Man, these cards are looking good. These numbers better be real, or else there will be a big let down come release time. I want to see some 5850CF action as well.
 
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Damn if those pics are accurate, X2 is a porn star. How long is that thing you think? Big cases only need apply!
 
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spittledip

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Originally posted by: zagood
I should hope the next generation of cards beats the previous generation...

Is anyone else not surprised by this? If there were leaked internal graphs from nV showing the 5870 v GT300, then WOW...but that's not the case.

Even so, take a closer look at the 5870 v 295 image, ignoring the gray highlights, you'll see much more balanced results with 5870 in general pulling ahead at max res. but that's about it.

Hypothetically, if GT300 has as much of a performance increase over GT200 as 580xx has over 48xx, then ATi is in trouble if they don't price it right and/or launch far enough ahead of nV.

Argh, now I'm guilty of speculation. Just release the damn cards already.
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Well, what you are saying about 5870 vs 295 would be more relevant if the 295 was a single GPU solution. For the single 5870 to beat a 295 at any resolution is pretty impressive.
 
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uclaLabrat

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The slide says crossfireX 5870, so that implies it's 2 5870's at least. Still impressive, in my mind.
 
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Originally posted by: uclaLabrat
The slide says crossfireX 5870, so that implies it's 2 5870's at least. Still impressive, in my mind.
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Huh? First one is HD5850 vs GTX285, second is HD5870 vs GTX295 and third one is 2xHD5870 vs 2xGTX295. No idea what you mean...

Anyway, those exact things were already posted a few times here a week ago :)
 
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Any word on when we'll see lower end 5xxx cards, 5450/5350 range? I want to stick on actual video card in my second Inspiron 531.
 
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I don't like whoever is doing this. They cherry pick where the 5870 beats the 295 and highlight and ignore the other settings where it loses. It makes me question their veracity/accuracy. For instance Stalker:CS 1920 with 4AA is on the bottom and not 2560 becuase the 295 actually ties at 2560 so you can't highlight that. They only highlight the most favorable 5870 settings-- Definitely a biased chart. Wolfenstein is even better. The 295 beats it at every resolution but 2560 with 8AA so that is what is highlighted. lol

The Xfire vs. 295 quad-SLI results don't surprise me as 4 cards is a lot less efficient than 2. The 295 competed very well against 4870 quad-fire in certain games and in bang vs. buck.

How long is the 5870x2? It has to be 11" at least.
 
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Originally posted by: Shaq
I don't like whoever is doing this. They cherry pick where the 5870 beats the 295 and highlight and ignore the other settings where it loses. It makes me question their veracity/accuracy. For instance Stalker:CS 1920 with 4AA is on the bottom and not 2560 becuase the 295 actually ties at 2560 so you can't highlight that. They only highlight the most favorable 5870 settings-- Definitely a biased chart. Wolfenstein is even better. The 295 beats it at every resolution but 2560 with 8AA so that is what is highlighted. lol
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Consider that these benches were likely ran with pre-release drivers and performance will be more well rounded at release.
 
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