Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker (Episode IX)

[qliveur]

I actually didn't hate this movie in the theater, but maybe my expectations were lowered so much by re-watching the last movie before I went. I think this movie could have been good if it didn't have to try and force in all the terrible story lines from the Last Jedi. The Last Jedi was such a turd.

I will have to see if I still like this one when I watch it at home as there were drunk people yelling at the screen and people threatening to fight them on top of a lot of misbehaving children at the theater I went too so it was pretty distracting.

I think it's hilarious that all these reviewers gave The Last Jedi such positive reviews and are now killing this movie. They spent 2 years disparaging misogynistic nerd culture as the reason the fans hated this movie. Nerds are not misogynistic, stupidest fucking narrative ever. Nerds are mostly kind people that treat women with respect. Cherry pick a few assholes that hate women and then blanket that over millions of Star Wars fans that hated the movie.

Couple of those types ITT.

I think one unironically used the buzzwords "manbabies," "incels" and "GamerGate" in a single sentence.

 

[Ichinisan]

I already know how its gonna start:
Jay and Mike staring at the floor, sullen.
"Do we have to?"
"Yeah, we have to."

Well that would be their Half in the Bag episode.

Already out.

Plinkett review will take a while...

 

[Ichinisan]

The Darth Maul/Qui Gon/Obi Wan fight at the end of Ep 1 was the best in any SW movie. No one will ever change my mind.

The ones in the original trilogy were universally terrible. As if elite space warrior-monks wielding laser swords would just stand in one spot and wave them around like dummies.

I get it. You like to see people dance instead of fight.

 

[Paratus]

It’s very disimilar. Most people rank ESB as the best Star Wars movie because it ends with out heroes on the run, and establishes Darth Vader and the strength of the Empire as formidable opponents. One of the main characters gets captured, and the final dialogue of ESB sets up his rescue. The opening to RoTJ does a few things. It shows Luke’s growth as a Jedi but also an over confidence and arrogance that nearly caused him to fail. The sequence is core to the journey of several characters. It’s the sequence that gave us gold bikini Leia! The only thing Lucas screwed up was having Boba Fett go down like a chump.

Canto Blight was a McGuffin FedEx side quest in the tradition of the worst RPGs, and they freed some space horsies.

Boba didn’t go out like a chump! He went out like a badass. Just listen to him.

Give me the middle and end of Jedi (sans Ewok parts). Could not possibly care less about the rest of it.

The SE version of the Jabba's palace scene at the beginning of Jedi are like somebody driving bamboo spikes under my fucking fingernails. I always FF now.

Don’t like the Ewoks? Boba’s got you covered there too!

 

[Paratus]

Now for RoS. The most important thing I took away from the movie was Auralnauts: Kylo Ren Reacts totally called the ending 8 months ago on the strength of one musical chord change in the original trailer.

Fast forward to 10:28

Can’t wait for Kylo to review his own death as a force ghost.

 

[blankslate]

Luke wanted Yoda's stick lulz



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[UsandThem]

If you didn't like everything 'The Last Jedi' had to offer, you're pretty much either sexist or racist, and you forced J.J. Abrams to change the story of The Rise Of Skywalker.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/ente...-afterlife-sonic-hollywood-trolls/2690020001/

Many complaints about "Jedi" are either subtly or overtly sexist and racist. The men are emasculated. The women are too powerful. The characters of color don't belong. Rey can't be important if her parents were junk traders. Many complaints are more about story and character, arguing that the film flew in the face of "Star Wars" tradition and broke the rules of the universe.

Since I absolutely hated the whole Carrie Poppins scene, and without me realizing it at the time, that was sexist on my part. I just want to apologize to everyone here for that.

I miss when you could simply not like something in a movie.......well because it simply sucked.

 

[shortylickens]

Theres a two year old video on youtube with a guy who predicted Rey was related to Palpatine.

 

[ShookKnight]

Complete and utter garbage.

I understood the 'throw back' tone of Force Awakens. And, I honestly liked that movie.

I somewhat forced myself to like The Last Jedi. Nonetheless, I understood what direction they want to take the IP towards... great... what's next?!

Oh, this steaming pile of shit is next...

I was hoping that The Last Jedi would have been the clean break Star Wars needed. They dragged things out unnecessarily.

History is important, sure. But, if your goal is to go towards a new direction, stop dragging the old with you - it is starting to stink like a heaping pile of garbage. Let the new talent fully shine already.

Disappointing. Hopefully the next leg of Star Wars will be legitimately new and fresh.

 

[blankslate]

Rise of $h1twalker is the name of the movie in my headcannon.

rando: "did you see Rise of Skywalker?"

me: "never heard of it... oh do you mean Rise of $h1twalker?"

rando:


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[paperfist]

Theres a two year old video on youtube with a guy who predicted Rey was related to Palpatine.

Does he do it in a British accent, or in Palpatine’s old man accent?

 

[Starbuck1975]

If you didn't like everything 'The Last Jedi' had to offer, you're pretty much either sexist or racist, and you forced J.J. Abrams to change the story of The Rise Of Skywalker.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/ente...-afterlife-sonic-hollywood-trolls/2690020001/


Since I absolutely hated the whole Carrie Poppins scene, and without me realizing it at the time, that was sexist on my part. I just want to apologize to everyone here for that.

I miss when you could simply not like something in a movie.......well because it simply sucked.

The disparity between critical and audience reviews for both TLJ and RoS is the oddest culture war.

I saw an article the other day where a critic rated TLJ as the best Star Wars movie. Edgy.

 

[shortylickens]

The disparity between critical and audience reviews for both TLJ and RoS is the oddest culture war.

I saw an article the other day where a critic rated TLJ as the best Star Wars movie. Edgy.

The problem with both movies is the creators were trying too hard to please modern audiences and critics.

The original movies just told a good story and George Lucas was not shooting for the lowest common denominator. He let people figure out if they liked it or not and wasnt trying to please anyone in particular.
Same thing as Tarantino. He makes the kind of movies HE likes to watch. And general public be damned.

 

[UsandThem]

The disparity between critical and audience reviews for both TLJ and RoS is the oddest culture war.

I saw an article the other day where a critic rated TLJ as the best Star Wars movie. Edgy.

There has always been a debate among Star Wars fans about which movies were best/worst. I've even seen several users here put the Rise Of Skywalker in their top two of all time. For me, I would place it somewhere in the middle as I thought it was good, but definitely not great.

The article I linked to really annoyed me. J.J. Abrams is not browsing 4 Chan/Stormfront/some other crap forum for feedback on how to write the Star Wars story. Fans can like/dislike certain aspects (and characters) of the Star Wars universe without being racist or sexist. I just thought the author who wrote the USAToday article (Kelly Lawler) really took some huge leaps and assumptions in her article, and really almost politicized it. We have to deal with that crap in almost everything nowadays, and we don't need to interject it into a science fiction movie.

 

[ultimatebob]

Honestly, I liked watching the Mandalorian more than the new Star Wars movie. It felt more original to me.

 

[blankslate]

I've even seen several users here put the Rise Of Skywalker in their top two of all time.

They have shite taste about Star War seriously.

Also

For what it is worth in the U.S. box office RoS made less in its first 10 days than TLJ made in its first 10 days of release... so yes I am right about the taste of those who count RoS in the top 5 SW movies....


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[akugami]

I enjoyed the original trilogy because of the storytelling. Also remember that cinema has come a long way since the original trilogy. I have seen comments on the fights in the original trilogy not being as well choreographed as the later movies, and I've also seen some comments on cheezy special effects from the original trilogy. I think that's unfair to the original trilogy as special effects and fight choreography has come a long way.

The prequel trilogy had some good, and some bad. But overall I did not enjoy them as much as the original trilogy. Lucas tried to throw too much in the movie and tried to explain away the force and all that crap and I felt it ruined the movies. Not to mention some horrible casting choices.

Now we come to the new trilogy.

I enjoyed The Force Awakens. I think it captured a lot of the heart of the original trilogy. Was it perfect? No. Did it have things I didn't like? Yes. But overall, I enjoyed it. I thought it hit the right tone. One thing I felt they should have done was not reveal too early that Kylo Ren was Han & Leia's son. There was too much foreshadowing, and the Han death should have been the last scene.

The Last Jedi. I have mixed feelings about this one. The biggest negative was Luke. I really wanted Luke to have, maybe not a happily ever after, but at least some happiness. Not some guru atop a mountain (so to speak). I much prefer the books with the Luke & Mara Jade story line. It's not a happily ever after if you've read those, but I think it was a fitting continuation of Luke's story. Other than the revelation that Luke pretty much lives as a miserable recluse, I was OK with what they did with The Last Jedi.

The Rise of Skywalker. My least favorite of the new trilogy. This one's a jumbled mess. Why throw a million little plots? It felt like it was jumping from scene to scene, without properly developing any one of them. It was a frenetic movie with a lack of continuity in many spots.

Spoiler: Spoilers

Why the Rey parentage recon? Was the return of Palpatine necessary? Some things happened so suddenly, with no buildup such as when there was suddently a space army confronting The Final Order fleet. Did they really have people fighting atop The Final Order fleet, and no one needs a spacesuit?

 

[SKORPI0]

I guess that the movie would suck before it came out. Huge WTF moments all over. This is one of them.

Spoiler: Spoilers

Some things happened so suddenly, with no buildup such as when there was suddenly a space army confronting The Final Order fleet. Did they really have people fighting atop The Final Order fleet, and no one needs a spacesuit?



No need for a spacesuit when you're fighting below the clouds of the planet Exegol.

 

[sdifox]

Saw it today... Wtf was that?

 

[Fritzo]

Complete and utter garbage.

I understood the 'throw back' tone of Force Awakens. And, I honestly liked that movie.

I somewhat forced myself to like The Last Jedi. Nonetheless, I understood what direction they want to take the IP towards... great... what's next?!

Oh, this steaming pile of shit is next...

I was hoping that The Last Jedi would have been the clean break Star Wars needed. They dragged things out unnecessarily.

History is important, sure. But, if your goal is to go towards a new direction, stop dragging the old with you - it is starting to stink like a heaping pile of garbage. Let the new talent fully shine already.

Disappointing. Hopefully the next leg of Star Wars will be legitimately new and fresh.

I had issues with Last Jedi, and I'm pretty easy going with movies:

- Luke comically tossing his lightsaber over his shoulder was a giant middle finger from Ryan Johnson (he was quoted saying he did this on purpose due to all the fan theories out there)
- They forced that purple-haired lady into the story for a role that should have been played by Admiral Ackbar...an iconic character.
- The purple haired lady withheld information from Poe that caused him to mutiny, then after causing a giant fiasco decided to tell him the info anyway...stupid.
- The whole "casino" side plot had absolutely no effect on the movie. It could have been cut and it would have been the same story!
- Yoda stepping in and destroying everything. It gave a "nothing that happened really mattered, so you wasted your time" feel to the story.
- Luke being a 'projection' at the end of the movie facing the AT-AT's was a wasted opportunity. How bad-ass would it have been if the AT-AT's all shot at him, the smoke cleared, and Luke was shown holding all of their laser bolts in mid-air...then pushing them back at them. The AT-AT's fall to the ground, then Kylo rises out of the wreckage to fight Luke. Kylo is injured and realizes he can't continue the fight in his current state, so he escapes on a summoned shuttle flying overhead. Luke then agrees to train Ren to get her ready for the next movie. THIS WOULD HAVE BEEN AWESOME!

Things I did like:
- Poe stepping into the rogue "Han" role.
- I liked Rose...she was the new "Lando". She wasn't really part of the group, but had her own way of doing things that always worked.
- The Star Destroyer collision scene was one of the most bad-ass things I've ever seen in a sci-fi movie (despite the wrong person performing the maneuver)
- Maz Kanata is a great new character and could have her own side-series.

What I get screamed at me if I say I didn't like Last Jedi:
- YOU THINK THERE WAS A FORCED NARRATIVE FOR FEMINISM IN YOUR MAN-ONLY MOVIE! LEARN TO SHARE YOU NEANDERTHAL!!!

...I...I just thought the movie was poorly written and spiteful to its backstory because Johnson wanted to take ownership of the franchise. Sorry?

 

[shortylickens]

Saw it today... Wtf was that?

The 42 year result of Hollywood executives ignoring Hollywood writers.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

I enjoyed the original trilogy because of the storytelling. Also remember that cinema has come a long way since the original trilogy. I have seen comments on the fights in the original trilogy not being as well choreographed as the later movies, and I've also seen some comments on cheezy special effects from the original trilogy. I think that's unfair to the original trilogy as special effects and fight choreography has come a long way.

The prequel trilogy had some good, and some bad. But overall I did not enjoy them as much as the original trilogy. Lucas tried to throw too much in the movie and tried to explain away the force and all that crap and I felt it ruined the movies. Not to mention some horrible casting choices.

Now we come to the new trilogy.

I enjoyed The Force Awakens. I think it captured a lot of the heart of the original trilogy. Was it perfect? No. Did it have things I didn't like? Yes. But overall, I enjoyed it. I thought it hit the right tone. One thing I felt they should have done was not reveal too early that Kylo Ren was Han & Leia's son. There was too much foreshadowing, and the Han death should have been the last scene.

The Last Jedi. I have mixed feelings about this one. The biggest negative was Luke. I really wanted Luke to have, maybe not a happily ever after, but at least some happiness. Not some guru atop a mountain (so to speak). I much prefer the books with the Luke & Mara Jade story line. It's not a happily ever after if you've read those, but I think it was a fitting continuation of Luke's story. Other than the revelation that Luke pretty much lives as a miserable recluse, I was OK with what they did with The Last Jedi.

The Rise of Skywalker. My least favorite of the new trilogy. This one's a jumbled mess. Why throw a million little plots? It felt like it was jumping from scene to scene, without properly developing any one of them. It was a frenetic movie with a lack of continuity in many spots.

Spoiler: Spoilers

Why the Rey parentage recon? Was the return of Palpatine necessary? Some things happened so suddenly, with no buildup such as when there was suddently a space army confronting The Final Order fleet. Did they really have people fighting atop The Final Order fleet, and no one needs a spacesuit?

agreed, I don’t get all the internet hate. Enjoyable movie, everyone I know who has seen it has said the same thing, good enjoyable move.
why does the internet hate it so much.

 

[BudAshes]

I had issues with Last Jedi, and I'm pretty easy going with movies:

- Luke comically tossing his lightsaber over his shoulder was a giant middle finger from Ryan Johnson (he was quoted saying he did this on purpose due to all the fan theories out there)
- They forced that purple-haired lady into the story for a role that should have been played by Admiral Ackbar...an iconic character.
- The purple haired lady withheld information from Poe that caused him to mutiny, then after causing a giant fiasco decided to tell him the info anyway...stupid.
- The whole "casino" side plot had absolutely no effect on the movie. It could have been cut and it would have been the same story!
- Yoda stepping in and destroying everything. It gave a "nothing that happened really mattered, so you wasted your time" feel to the story.
- Luke being a 'projection' at the end of the movie facing the AT-AT's was a wasted opportunity. How bad-ass would it have been if the AT-AT's all shot at him, the smoke cleared, and Luke was shown holding all of their laser bolts in mid-air...then pushing them back at them. The AT-AT's fall to the ground, then Kylo rises out of the wreckage to fight Luke. Kylo is injured and realizes he can't continue the fight in his current state, so he escapes on a summoned shuttle flying overhead. Luke then agrees to train Ren to get her ready for the next movie. THIS WOULD HAVE BEEN AWESOME!

Things I did like:
- Poe stepping into the rogue "Han" role.
- I liked Rose...she was the new "Lando". She wasn't really part of the group, but had her own way of doing things that always worked.
- The Star Destroyer collision scene was one of the most bad-ass things I've ever seen in a sci-fi movie (despite the wrong person performing the maneuver)
- Maz Kanata is a great new character and could have her own side-series.

What I get screamed at me if I say I didn't like Last Jedi:
- YOU THINK THERE WAS A FORCED NARRATIVE FOR FEMINISM IN YOUR MAN-ONLY MOVIE! LEARN TO SHARE YOU NEANDERTHAL!!!

...I...I just thought the movie was poorly written and spiteful to its backstory because Johnson wanted to take ownership of the franchise. Sorry?

The Last Jedi sucks, period. Re-watching it is actually somehow worse than re-watching Attack of the Clones. I just end up muting it and doing something else. There is nothing fun about it, nothing entertaining, the big scene where they light speed into the Star Destroyer is so fucking stupid and breaks the universe completely. Nothing is explained and every scene feels like it is trying to troll you. The light saber battle with Snoke and his minions is a pathetically stupid dance number with break dance fighting. Honestly the only memorable scenes are Luke sucking blue milk out of a tit and Luke's fake fight where he trolls Ren.

This all being said, I think Rian Johnson is a solid director and I don't hate any of the actors in the movie. It's just a rushed cluster fuck that should have never been made without a plan, and given to someone who was completely out of his league.

 

[GodisanAtheist]

Watched ROS last night.

Its basically the opposite of TLJ: a bad film with some good ideas. Its the kind of movie that's fun until you really start thinking about it. The quick cuts and pacing were brutal, it felt like they could have condensed a couple of the locations into one place. I don't know why this isn't trilogy 101, but the last film in a trilogy is the *wrong* time to start introducing new people, especially out of thin air. At most, you want all your character intros done by the end of the second movie. Maybe movies are just having a rough go of it after people have been spoiled by the new format of television series with long arcs.

Some fan service was appreciated but this movie was so chock full of ridiculousness that it detracted from some of the experiecne (Chewie finally gets his medal, from Maz "I have a closet full of fan service" Katana no less?!).

The middle entry into a series has the unfortunate distinction of being made or broken by the entry that comes after it.

TLJ, upon a rewatch before seeing ROS, is a really solid character driven movie that feels like it was what the director wanted rather than what the director thought the fans wanted. It definitely had some astoundingly bad ideas (Canto Blight adventure) that accomplished a worthy end in the most awkward way. However, TLJ really opened up the field and gave the story somewhere new to go (What if Vader had killed Palps... but took over the Empire instead) and gave us the opportunity to see Ben Solo begin to really embrace his dark side through his own agency instead of constantly being manipulated by maguffins.

I think that's where the core of my disappointment with ROS comes from. Everything was lined up to go in a new unexplored direction and if ROS has reinforced the themes and ideas of TLJ instead of undermining it, this series had the potential to really be something special.

 

[blankslate]

TLJ was a shiteshow obviously...

When you have to digitally edit out a weapon in the Throne room fight so that the protagonist isn't stabbed in the back by a red guard or so that the audience doesn't ask "Hey he has another weapon in his other hand why not use that?" it's indicative of the lazy writing that is found in the rest of the show...

fuck defending that movie. Seriously... WTF are people smoking/snorting/injecting/eating that they think TLJ is good?



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