Actually if the catalog says for the school that an in- state resident is someone that has lived in state for 12 consecutive months before the start of the Term, then that is wheat the school has to go by. The policy does not have to state that the person has to be born in the state or in the United States. At least they are going to college and are not considered an Unskilled Laborer.
Chaotic42
Lifer
- Jun 15, 2001
- 34,818
- 1,998
- 126
That's irrelevant though. They're still breaking the law and they're still recieving benefits that many people for whom the benefits were created can't get. If I had the means to get 250 pounds of gold legally, I'd do it, but I can't. That, however, is no justification for me going and taking it.
Well see, the focus is on our southern border...why is that? It's because that is where the biggest hole is. Besides the ports, and from those you get all kinds of illegals, Chinese, Asian and probably a few from The Soviet Union....I feel the same way about them as I do Mexican illegals so it is not a racial thing....I have no problem with people coming to this country...legally. White, Black, yellow or brown...I could care less about the color of your skin...I care about the quality of person you are...that is the way it should be....no?
Well, when you get into this country illegally it tells me a little something about you as a person....the first thing you do to get into this country is to break the law....that is not something I or many Americans deem acceptable. And the law sides with us.
It is irrelevant what you (So) personally feel about it, or what a person who is an immigrant feels about it. it is the law period.
If you and all the other bleeding hearts of this great nation feel that we should allow people here to provide them with an opportunity, then why don't you take the opportunity to them....take your hard earned money and start sending it across the border to Mexico...I am sure that if you guys pull together you can make a difference and start changing lives for the better....oh wait...that actually means you would have to be proactive in this instead of sitting behind your keyboard telling all the rest of us that we are bigots.
So
Lifer
- Jul 2, 2001
- 25,923
- 17
- 81
You can't call them criminals. We let a handful of people in legally every year any given country. To say they are criminals and of bad character because they are given no real opportunity is disingenuous at best. By that standard, if we let one person in every year, then everyone has an "opportunity"
It is very relevant what we as a nation feel about things. I hope you believe that citizens should have a say in lawmaking. Especially in repealing unfair laws.
I take offense to this. I am no bleeding heart -- if given the opportunity I'd cut 99% of the social programs that you people complain are the cause of immigrants draining the system in the first place. I propose we make both their and our lives better by welcoming them into our country, as we did your ancestors and mine. And became a superpower because of those hard workers. My proposition is simple. Immigrants benefit themselves by coming to America, their labor benefits us economically, and we'd expend precious resources building a wall to keep out economic benefits. What kind of upended logic is that?
- Jun 5, 2000
- 36,410
- 616
- 126
You can't call them criminals. We let a handful of people in legally every year any given country. To say they are criminals and of bad character because they are given no real opportunity is disingenuous at best. By that standard, if we let one person in every year, then everyone has an "opportunity"
- Oct 30, 2000
- 42,589
- 5
- 0
The problem is the courts have stated that the Federal government is responsible for upholding the immigration laws.
The states and other government entities do not have the right/responsibility to do so..
Therefore any non-Federal law that discriminates against those that are here illegally is invalid.
It may be wrong to cripple the states' rights in this regard, but unless the rulings of the US Appeals Courts are overruled and/or the Feds stop pandering to the loudmouth bleeding hearts, we are SOL.
So
Lifer
- Jul 2, 2001
- 25,923
- 17
- 81
You may wish me to fall into your false dichotomy, but I refuse. They are neither shoplifters nor are they simple trespassers. Their crime is circumventing paperwork and burecracy because it would unfairly exclude them. We should exclude real criminals, not simply foreigners because thy can't afford to hire a lawyer to get through the paperwork. To classify them as criminals is still disingenuous.
- Oct 30, 2000
- 42,589
- 5
- 0
The states/municipalities can pass all the laws they want.
When challenged in court, the local court can refer to the US Appeals rulings.
The case will have to be pushed/appealed beyond the US Court of Appeals to a common ruling to be stated.
Each US District Court of Appeals may end up with a different ruling/interpretation - it will take the Supreme Court to clarifiy.
StageLeft
No Lifer
- Sep 29, 2000
- 70,150
- 5
- 0
So is being stupid. Obviously anybody who breaks any law is a criminal, whether that law is right or wrong. In the case of this country's immigration, it makes them a felon, since it's a felony. Moreover, these criminals break various other laws like not simply only trespassing but also working illegally and taking money under the table.
Chaotic42
Lifer
- Jun 15, 2001
- 34,818
- 1,998
- 126
Let's say that you post a sign saying that one person per year can get the right to move into your house and clean for you. For this, they will get food and you'll pay their way through college. They can stay in your spare bedroom.
Now lets say that five people apply, and only one gets in. Is it then right for the other four to move in anyway, split up cleaning duties and walk your dog, and then to eat your food and take money out of your wallet to go to college? What if it were ten people? What if it were ten million? What about six billion?
At what point do you say, "Look, I'd love to help all of you but I have to draw a line somewhere."?
jonks
Lifer
- Feb 7, 2005
- 13,918
- 20
- 81
You people are funny. I'm guessing if the "illegals" (good job on that one spinsters, way to dehumanize through language) were blond and blue this wouldn't be an issue. This "problem" ranks right up there with gay marriage.
Securing borders re: terrorists = important, if impossible, considering our 10,000 miles of land borders and sea coast. (Lets build really HIGH fences!)
Securing borders from people who pick your lettuce is really a top priority.
Securing borders re: terrorists = important, if impossible, considering our 10,000 miles of land borders and sea coast. (Lets build really HIGH fences!)
Securing borders from people who pick your lettuce is really a top priority.
So according to this argument, the capacity of the United States in terms of social services, education systems, etc., is unlimited?
You bash people for "dehumanizing" by calling them illegals, and then you yourself turn it into a racial issue. Then you go further and try to frame the problem as "people picking our lettuce", effectively ignoring the overwhelming burden this problem is starting to have on our country's infrastructure, especially in the areas most directly affected by illegal immigration.
Your analogy is irrelevant and unrealistic. What you have here is a demand for labor and a supply for it. By not making easier for the laborers to do it legally, you force it to go underground, and as a result you get the criminal elements. If the immigration laws were changed to accommodate the demand and supply of labor, you would be able to regulate it and weed out those who are more likely to commit crimes. However, that doesn't mean people will stop coming hear illegally, but it would certainly make things easier for the government to deport those who aren't here legally.
- Jun 5, 2000
- 36,410
- 616
- 126
spinsters? wow! go look in the mirror and take a good look at a spinster. good job in trying to use language control to make people into racist who are not. i get so sick of people like you who use the damn race card as their only argument. is that all you got? is your position so weak that you cant come up with something else more tangible? you try to use fear by calling somebody a racist to shut them up, well that argument is old and tired and doesn't work anymore. Illegal is illegal period i don't care if they are white and spoke Danish, yellow and speaks Chinese or brown and speaks Spanish, my stance on this issue will not change due to a persons ethnicity or skin color or country of origin. if a person is here in this country illegally then that person is a criminal and should be immediately deported. period end of discussion.
TRENDING THREADS
-
Discussion Zen 5 Speculation (EPYC Turin and Strix Point/Granite Ridge - Ryzen 9000)- Started by DisEnchantment
- Replies: 25K
-
Discussion Intel Meteor, Arrow, Lunar & Panther Lakes + WCL Discussion Threads
- Started by Tigerick
- Replies: 23K
-
Discussion Intel current and future Lakes & Rapids thread- Started by TheF34RChannel
- Replies: 23K
-
-
Facebook
Twitter