so wrong. college instate tuition and illegals

[So]

Originally posted by: Turin39789

Originally posted by: mugs
Illegals work and pay taxes to the state. As long as the federal government is content with ignoring them, the states are going to treat them like their other taxpayers.

Your neice's roommate's parents don't pay taxes to Colorado. Not sure how they fit in here.

ding ding ding

Exactly. All this hatred of immigrants is just a modern form of the 19th century know-nothing party, and like them, people who this is a hot button know nothing about the issues.

 

[tfinch2]

Originally posted by: CadetLee

Originally posted by: mugs
Illegals work and pay taxes to the state. As long as the federal government is content with ignoring them, the states are going to treat them like their other taxpayers.

Your neice's roommate's parents don't pay taxes to Colorado. Not sure how they fit in here.

Oh, and this really belongs in P&N.

Pardon my ignorance, but how do you pay/file taxes without an SSN/etc?

http://www.irs.gov/individuals...le/0,,id=96287,00.html

 

[Chaotic42]

Originally posted by: So
Exactly. All this hatred of immigrants is just a modern form of the 19th century know-nothing party, and like them, people who this is a hot button know nothing about the issues.

I think it's more of a hatred of blatant law breaking that is very expensive for the tax payers, and the preferential treatment that those law breakers recieve.

We've drawn a line at our borders, we need to take care of the people born inside of those borders first.

 

[Queasy]

Originally posted by: So

Originally posted by: Turin39789

Originally posted by: mugs
Illegals work and pay taxes to the state. As long as the federal government is content with ignoring them, the states are going to treat them like their other taxpayers.

Your neice's roommate's parents don't pay taxes to Colorado. Not sure how they fit in here.

ding ding ding

Exactly. All this hatred of illegal immigrants is just a modern form of the 19th century know-nothing party, and like them, people who this is a hot button know nothing about the issues.

Here, I fixed that for you. God forbid people be upset about people blatantly breaking the law, putting a strain on our education and healthcare systems and not only getting a pass but extra benefits as well.

 

[Darwin333]

Originally posted by: Zolty

Originally posted by: Savij
I would like to focus on the borders first. Status quo or let local/state handle the deporting of current illegals Can we at least stop the new ones from coming in? Fix the leak first or we'll be bailing water for a looong time.

If you can think of a cost effective solution with out inducing a police state then I would love to hear it.

UAVs armed with .50 cal machine guns.

It could also help recruitment.

Join up and you can play a cool ass video game for a living that rains death from above while you sit in a nice safe command center drinking Mountain Dew.

 

[Corporate Thug]

what ever happened to privileges and immunities?

 

[nageov3t]

is the OP volunteering to flip my burgers and pick my produce?

 

[Linflas]

Originally posted by: Queasy

Originally posted by: So

Originally posted by: Turin39789

Originally posted by: mugs
Illegals work and pay taxes to the state. As long as the federal government is content with ignoring them, the states are going to treat them like their other taxpayers.

Your neice's roommate's parents don't pay taxes to Colorado. Not sure how they fit in here.

ding ding ding

Exactly. All this hatred of illegal immigrants is just a modern form of the 19th century know-nothing party, and like them, people who this is a hot button know nothing about the issues.

Here, I fixed that for you. God forbid people be upset about people blatantly breaking the law, putting a strain on our education and healthcare systems and not only getting a pass but extra benefits as well.

I'm surprised he didn't preface it with "undocumented". That is one of the favorite ploys of people trying to deflect the debate from the fundemental issue of the fact that these people have no right to just walk into the US and bypass all the legal methods of applying for residency.

 

[OutHouse]

Originally posted by: Turin39789
Is it time to move this to p and n yet?

no, its not politics or news. its a discussion of illegals getting better treatment than us citizens.

 

[db]

Think of this as an *Illegal Employment* problem. My neighbors bitch about illegal aliens, yet employ them to cut their lawns, pour new concrete, install sprinklers, yada yada.
There is more to this issue than most people realize.
And the issue is being bent to serve political purposes (get votes).

 

[OutHouse]

Originally posted by: Turin39789

Originally posted by: mugs
Illegals work and pay taxes to the state. As long as the federal government is content with ignoring them, the states are going to treat them like their other taxpayers.

Your neice's roommate's parents don't pay taxes to Colorado. Not sure how they fit in here.

ding ding ding

go ahead and totally sidestep the issue that the roommate is an illegal and should not even be in the country in the first place nor should she be getting better treatment than a kid whos parents that happen to be serving in the US armed forces.

 

[Bateluer]

Originally posted by: mugs


Your neice's roommate's parents don't pay taxes to Colorado. Not sure how they fit in here.

Your niece's parents are also serving their country in the military. Personally, I would be raising hell about this to anyone who would listen, and even those who don't want to listen.

I'm active duty in the USAF at the moment and currently taking courses. The individuals at the enrollment offices for my schools at first wanted to charge me out of state tuition because I was born in Michigan and am stationed in another state. When I said I was military, they asked if I was a US citizen. I replied by showing my both my military ID and my MI driver's license, which apparently wasn't enough. After some coordinating with my parents back home, I got a hold of a copy of my birth certificate, and showed them that. After that, they charged me instate tuition.

 

[alkemyst]

Originally posted by: Citrix
her roommate is from out of state with both parents in the air force serving in Germany, she has to pay out-of-state tuition, while the illegals get instate tuition at CU.

this really pisses me off. :|

Did your friend live in the state this past year or is it because her parents are out of state?

If the latter she needs to declare her own residency otherwise it's going to make a lot more things more expensive from here out.

 

[db]

Originally posted by: Citrix


go ahead and totally sidestep the issue that the roommate is an illegal and should not even be in the country in the first place nor should she be getting better treatment than a kid whos parents that happen to be serving in the US armed forces.

Wait a minute, first you say "while the illegals get instate tuition at CU" but now you say "the roommate is an illegal".

Did you make this whole thing up just to get people pissed off at "illegals"?

 

[alkemyst]

Originally posted by: Citrix

Originally posted by: Turin39789

Originally posted by: mugs
Illegals work and pay taxes to the state. As long as the federal government is content with ignoring them, the states are going to treat them like their other taxpayers.

Your neice's roommate's parents don't pay taxes to Colorado. Not sure how they fit in here.

ding ding ding

go ahead and totally sidestep the issue that the roommate is an illegal and should not even be in the country in the first place nor should she be getting better treatment than a kid whos parents that happen to be serving in the US armed forces.

First, I am all for illegals that are educating themselves. I don't think that should be up to a school to decide.

Second, I am pro-military, but there are way too many 'vets' claiming silver platters that really did nothing. There was a guy here that was discharged for whatever reason (rumor has it was due to a past felony) that went around bragging about Desert Storm, Sheild, etc. At a happy hour one night group of soldiers called him out. He was crying that they didn't beat his ass.

I don't feel just being in the military should entitle someone to anything that's not offered freely. IMHO then firefighters, EMTs, police, etc should all get the same treatment.

 

[dainthomas]

Originally posted by: Toasthead

Originally posted by: Zolty

Originally posted by: Savij
I would like to focus on the borders first. Status quo or let local/state handle the deporting of current illegals Can we at least stop the new ones from coming in? Fix the leak first or we'll be bailing water for a looong time.

If you can think of a cost effective solution with out inducing a police state then I would love to hear it.

why cant we just ENFORCE THE FRICKING LAWS WE HAVE IN PLACE!!!


that and we MUST abolish the anchor baby laws that state ANYONE born on Us soil is an American citizen. its just stupid in todays world.

So you want to repeal the 14th amendment?

All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the state wherein they reside. No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

Either everyone born here is a citizen or no one is. Then you open up the Pandora's box of the gov't deciding who can and can't be a citizen. With terms like "enemy combatant" floating around, that would make me a little nervous.

Good luck with that. :roll:

 

[Chaotic42]

Originally posted by: alkemyst
First, I am all for illegals that are educating themselves. I don't think that should be up to a school to decide.

Second, I am pro-military, but there are way too many 'vets' claiming silver platters that really did nothing. There was a guy here that was discharged for whatever reason (rumor has it was due to a past felony) that went around bragging about Desert Storm, Sheild, etc. At a happy hour one night group of soldiers called him out. He was crying that they didn't beat his ass.

I don't feel just being in the military should entitle someone to anything that's not offered freely. IMHO then firefighters, EMTs, police, etc should all get the same treatment.

We get a lot of ex-military people at my job. We all went out for a department birthday party and we brought one of them along for some reason. He said that he wanted the surf and turf, but it reminded him too much of being at Camp Doha and started going off on this rant about being over there. You can tell the ones that weren't in combat because they won't shut up about their service and how awesome they are.

 

[So]

Originally posted by: Queasy

Originally posted by: So

Originally posted by: Turin39789

Originally posted by: mugs
Illegals work and pay taxes to the state. As long as the federal government is content with ignoring them, the states are going to treat them like their other taxpayers.

Your neice's roommate's parents don't pay taxes to Colorado. Not sure how they fit in here.

ding ding ding

Exactly. All this hatred of illegal immigrants is just a modern form of the 19th century know-nothing party, and like them, people who this is a hot button know nothing about the issues.

Here, I fixed that for you. God forbid people be upset about people blatantly breaking the law, putting a strain on our education and healthcare systems and not only getting a pass but extra benefits as well.

You can't call them criminals when the only law they broke is "being here" I mean, come on. That's intellectual dishonesty at its worst.

They just plain aren't criminals in any fair sense of the word.

All you have to do to fix the "illegal" problem is to legalize the things that are normal human behavior. If we had a rational system without quotas, where you could get in so long as you were healthy and had work, I'd agree with you guys.

 

[Mxylplyx]

Originally posted by: Zolty

Originally posted by: Savij
I would like to focus on the borders first. Status quo or let local/state handle the deporting of current illegals Can we at least stop the new ones from coming in? Fix the leak first or we'll be bailing water for a looong time.

If you can think of a cost effective solution with out inducing a police state then I would love to hear it.

1. Introduce federal ID cards with biometric information encoded into it.
2. Develop system so employers can verify legal status of all applicants.
3. Shut down businesses that knowingly employ illegals, and confiscate all their assets.
4. Create seasonal work permits for workers wanting to do farm work.
5. Accept that prices on some services will go up, since we'll have to pay a fair wage for said services.
6. Any illegals here now with kids born here stay, barring a criminal record. Any new illegals that come here to have kids will be thrown out, along with their kids.
7. Deport anyone caught that is illegal immediately. No hearings, no lawyers.
Heavily militarize the border.
8. Problem solved.

 

[So]

Originally posted by: Mxylplyx

Originally posted by: Zolty

Originally posted by: Savij
I would like to focus on the borders first. Status quo or let local/state handle the deporting of current illegals Can we at least stop the new ones from coming in? Fix the leak first or we'll be bailing water for a looong time.

If you can think of a cost effective solution with out inducing a police state then I would love to hear it.

1. Introduce federal ID cards with biometric information encoded into it.

Provide the gov't with a way of tracking everyone - Police state

2. Develop system so employers can verify legal status of all applicants.

Shutting down businesses because people don't have "papers" - Police state

3. Shut down businesses that knowingly employ illegals, and confiscate all their assets.

See above - Police state

4. Create seasonal work permits for workers wanting to do farm work.

More of the same, "work permits" are a staple of a Police state

5. Accept that prices on some services will go up, since we'll have to pay a fair wage for said services.

Just economically bad for everyone

6. Any illegals here now with kids born here stay, barring a criminal record. Any new illegals that come here to have kids will be thrown out, along with their kids.

Giving up the concept that being born in the US confers citizenship, and you need to prove your parents were citizens? - Police state

7. Deport anyone caught that is illegal immediately. No hearings, no lawyers.

Give up the rule of law? Police state

Heavily militarize the border.

Martial law? Police state by defiition

8. Problem solved.

the problem of freedom? Yup. Solved.

 

[Queasy]

Originally posted by: So

Originally posted by: Queasy

Originally posted by: So

Originally posted by: Turin39789

Originally posted by: mugs
Illegals work and pay taxes to the state. As long as the federal government is content with ignoring them, the states are going to treat them like their other taxpayers.

Your neice's roommate's parents don't pay taxes to Colorado. Not sure how they fit in here.

ding ding ding

Exactly. All this hatred of illegal immigrants is just a modern form of the 19th century know-nothing party, and like them, people who this is a hot button know nothing about the issues.

Here, I fixed that for you. God forbid people be upset about people blatantly breaking the law, putting a strain on our education and healthcare systems and not only getting a pass but extra benefits as well.

You can't call them criminals when the only law they broke is "being here" I mean, come on. That's intellectual dishonesty at its worst.

They just plain aren't criminals in any fair sense of the word.

Really? I thought we were a nation of laws? If we have laws that sets out a path for becoming a legal immigrant to this country, what should we do with those that refuse to follow that law? Give them lollipops?

Let's not forget that entering the country illegally is usually not the only offense they commit. They usually steal/fake SSNs, driver's licenses, etc which are also illegal activities.

All you have to do to fix the "illegal" problem is to legalize the things that are normal human behavior. If we had a rational system without quotas, where you could get in so long as you were healthy and had work, I'd agree with you guys.

The problem isn't with our system of immigration so much as it is with rampant corruption in Mexico that has lead to a desperate state where Mexicans are willing to risk capture, death, and more to come to the USA so they can work for a piddling wage by our standards to send back to Mexico.

 

[BeauJangles]

Originally posted by: dainthomas

Originally posted by: Toasthead

Originally posted by: Zolty

Originally posted by: Savij
I would like to focus on the borders first. Status quo or let local/state handle the deporting of current illegals Can we at least stop the new ones from coming in? Fix the leak first or we'll be bailing water for a looong time.

If you can think of a cost effective solution with out inducing a police state then I would love to hear it.

why cant we just ENFORCE THE FRICKING LAWS WE HAVE IN PLACE!!!


that and we MUST abolish the anchor baby laws that state ANYONE born on Us soil is an American citizen. its just stupid in todays world.

So you want to repeal the 14th amendment?

All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the state wherein they reside. No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

Either everyone born here is a citizen or no one is. Then you open up the Pandora's box of the gov't deciding who can and can't be a citizen. With terms like "enemy combatant" floating around, that would make me a little nervous.

Good luck with that. :roll:

The US has certain laws and principles. Violating these to achieve an end, even if the end is desirable, is compromising our integrity as a nation. Most Americans are proud to be Americans because we are a "free" nation. We have rights most of the rest of the world can only dream of. Even among industrialized nations, our First Amendment rights are among the broadest and most free in the world. Why would we compromise the very essence of our society, the thing that we hold with the most value?

The answer is because that is the easy solution. Easy solutions are great, but not when they come at such a great expense. We need to find a way to work within our own laws, principles, and governing documents to solve the illegal immigration issue.

 

[Queasy]

Originally posted by: So
Giving up the concept that being born in the US conferrs citizenship, and you need to prove you parents were citizens? - Police state

The USA is one of the few countries in the world that confers citizenship automatically at birth regardless of the parent's citizenship status.

 

[Mxylplyx]

Originally posted by: So

Originally posted by: Mxylplyx

Originally posted by: Zolty

Originally posted by: Savij
I would like to focus on the borders first. Status quo or let local/state handle the deporting of current illegals Can we at least stop the new ones from coming in? Fix the leak first or we'll be bailing water for a looong time.

If you can think of a cost effective solution with out inducing a police state then I would love to hear it.

1. Introduce federal ID cards with biometric information encoded into it.

Provide the gov't with a way of tracking everyone - Police state

2. Develop system so employers can verify legal status of all applicants.

Shutting down businesses because people don't have "papers" - Police state

3. Shut down businesses that knowingly employ illegals, and confiscate all their assets.

See above - Police state

4. Create seasonal work permits for workers wanting to do farm work.

More of the same, "work permits" are a staple of a Police state

5. Accept that prices on some services will go up, since we'll have to pay a fair wage for said services.

Just economically bad for everyone

6. Any illegals here now with kids born here stay, barring a criminal record. Any new illegals that come here to have kids will be thrown out, along with their kids.

Giving up the concept that being born in the US confers citizenship, and you need to prove your parents were citizens? - Police state

7. Deport anyone caught that is illegal immediately. No hearings, no lawyers.

Give up the rule of law? Police state

Heavily militarize the border.

Martial law? Police state by defiition

8. Problem solved.

the problem of freedom? Yup. Solved.

And just how else do you propose to do it? Your fear of a police state pretty much forbids anything from being done about the illegal immigrant invasion. How bout we just allow armed gangs of citizens to roam the border, and shoot anything brown skinned that moves. Would that be better?

 

[So]

Originally posted by: Queasy

Originally posted by: So

Originally posted by: Queasy

Originally posted by: So

Originally posted by: Turin39789

Originally posted by: mugs
Illegals work and pay taxes to the state. As long as the federal government is content with ignoring them, the states are going to treat them like their other taxpayers.

Your neice's roommate's parents don't pay taxes to Colorado. Not sure how they fit in here.

ding ding ding

Exactly. All this hatred of illegal immigrants is just a modern form of the 19th century know-nothing party, and like them, people who this is a hot button know nothing about the issues.

Here, I fixed that for you. God forbid people be upset about people blatantly breaking the law, putting a strain on our education and healthcare systems and not only getting a pass but extra benefits as well.

You can't call them criminals when the only law they broke is "being here" I mean, come on. That's intellectual dishonesty at its worst.

They just plain aren't criminals in any fair sense of the word.

Really? I thought we were a nation of laws? If we have laws that sets out a path for becoming a legal immigrant to this country, what should we do with those that refuse to follow that law? Give them lollipops?

Let's not forget that entering the country illegally is usually not the only offense they commit. They usually steal/fake SSNs, driver's licenses, etc which are also illegal activities.

All you have to do to fix the "illegal" problem is to legalize the things that are normal human behavior. If we had a rational system without quotas, where you could get in so long as you were healthy and had work, I'd agree with you guys.

The problem isn't with our system of immigration so much as it is with rampant corruption in Mexico that has lead to a desperate state where Mexicans are willing to risk capture, death, and more to come to the USA so they can work for a piddling wage by our standards to send back to Mexico.

Those are related, but different problems. For centuries, people have sought to enter the united states to seek opportunity here. Relatively recently we imposed quotas -- caps on the number of people allowed to fulfill that dream. You're saying that they should be categorized with thieves and rapists because they came for a job and made up a number so they could get that job? Yes, if they forge a DRIVERS LICENSE they should be charged, but clearly, not all of them do. You're making a connection that isn't there. It's like saying we should cut the hands off of anyone guilty of trespassing because burglars are often also trespassers. It isn't justification, it just resembles it.