So why do people hate OSX here so much?

[Cerpin Taxt]

yeah people should stick to WalMart, brand names are something only idiots can get behind.

I insinuated nothing of the sort.

Everyone is out to be an attention whore that 'likes' something enough to use the branding...

Please don't project your own superlative douche-ness onto the rest of us well-adjusted individuals.

like I said, that's really sad it bothers you.

Clearly you haven't actually apprehended the cause of my annoyance, like I predicted you would not.

 

[HAL9000]

Ugh. You misunderstand me, and at this point you're putting words into my mouth.

From my perspective, yes OSX is dumbed down. I'm a tinkerer by nature. And yes, I find windows to be "easier" because I'm used to windows. But I'm also proficient with Linux, but I feel bogged down by OSX's "user friendliness." What really bugs me about OSX is a lot of the little things that are missing from a standard install. A lot of the stuff you want to maybe tweak... you can't because the options are missing.

For example (and I know my examples will get criticized, but w/e):
Want to mess with the mouse acceleration curve because you hate it? You can't, gotta install an app.
Want to mess with and add new multitouch gestures? Can't, gotta install an app.
Fix the green button not maximizing fully? Can't gotta install an app.
Putting an app in the trash doesn't fully uninstall (although, this applies to windows as well).
No cut/paste of folders

This one always bugs me about windows users, why do you want a window to fill the screen when it doesn't need to?

 

[HeXen]

i hate MS more than i hate Apple. At least Apple puts some thought into their software.
MS just relies on the hope of 3rd party and lets them make their drivers and apps as crappy, bloated or inefficient as they care to.

 

[fatpat268]

This one always bugs me about windows users, why do you want a window to fill the screen when it doesn't need to?

Why not? I'm going to use my whole screen because I want to use it. That said, there's many times where I use aero snap and have two windows side by side, but I prefer them maximized.

 

[HAL9000]

Why not? I'm going to use my whole screen because I want to use it. That said, there's many times where I use aero snap and have two windows side by side, but I prefer them maximized.

If you want to dedicate a single screen to a single window then fine, do that, it doesn't need to fill the screen though.

 

[Chaotic42]

If you want to dedicate a single screen to a single window then fine, do that, it doesn't need to fill the screen though.

It doesn't need to, but why not do it if that screen is dedicated to the app? Of course, I have three monitors so my workflow isn't very standard.

 

[HeXen]

If you want to dedicate a single screen to a single window then fine, do that, it doesn't need to fill the screen though.

well you can't really use 2 windows at the exact same time with one mouse. I max out windows so i can have a larger area to work within that window and i have no need to see any other window when i'm working on one.
There is a lot in life we don't need, but its nice to have options isnt it. i don't see why i should want to see any of my screenspace go to waste doing nothing.

 

[fatpat268]

If you want to dedicate a single screen to a single window then fine, do that, it doesn't need to fill the screen though.

If I'm going to dedicate a screen to a single window... why wouldn't I maximize it? So that I can see a sliver of my desktop wallpaper? No thanks.

I realize that I could have my windows resized around my screen and more effectively utilize my 1920x1200 resolution, but as a habit (and the fact that I can only use one program at a time), I just maximize it.

One exception though... if I'm messing around in the finder/explorer, I won't maximize the windows because I'll likely need more than one window. If a tabbed finder/explorer ever becomes standard, then I'll likely maximize that as well.

 

[Sureshot324]

If you want to dedicate a single screen to a single window then fine, do that, it doesn't need to fill the screen though.

What about a web browser? Some web pages are designed with a fixed width, but others, like the AT forums, are designed to use all the space available. If I'm browsing the web and not doing anything else, I want to put all my screen real estate to use for browsing, especially if I'm using a smaller screen like a laptop.

I think the real reason OSX does this is it's simply not as easy to switch between windows. In windows I can slam my mouse to the bottom of the screen and click on a nice wide button (which doesn't move side to side) to switch to a different window. On OSX, most people have the dock on autohide, so I have to move mouse to bottom, wait for dock to come up, find my app, and slide through the dock and click on it. UNLESS none of my windows are maximized, then I can just click on the window i want.

 

[HAL9000]

What about a web browser? Some web pages are designed with a fixed width, but others, like the AT forums, are designed to use all the space available. If I'm browsing the web and not doing anything else, I want to put all my screen real estate to use for browsing, especially if I'm using a smaller screen like a laptop.

I think the real reason OSX does this is it's simply not as easy to switch between windows. In windows I can slam my mouse to the bottom of the screen and click on a nice wide button (which doesn't move side to side) to switch to a different window. On OSX, most people have the dock on autohide, so I have to move mouse to bottom, wait for dock to come up, find my app, and slide through the dock and click on it. UNLESS none of my windows are maximized, then I can just click on the window i want.

CMD+TAB

/"problem"

 

[Sureshot324]

CMD+TAB

/"problem"

No.

Especially if you have a lot of windows open, or don't have your hands on the keyboard.

 

[HAL9000]

No.

Especially if you have a lot of windows open, or don't have your hands on the keyboard.

Then drag your mouse into a corner of the screen with hot corners set up, let expose do the rest. Mac 1 - Windows 0

 

[QueBert]

When I first started using OSX, the full screen button not making it full screen really annoyed me. I went and downloaded an app that added that feature. But, after using it the Apple way for a few weeks. I hopped on my Win 7 and went looking for a program that did it like Apple's (couldn't find it, any one?) I prefer having windows how big they need to be, it just makes more sense to me.

My #2 OSX annoyance when I installed it was my Apple keyboard has the backspace as a delete key, WTF? But again after a few weeks using it it just started to make more sense to me. That button does delete a character. OSX is definitely not dumbed down, I still have full control over what I want, but when it comes times to install something I just drag the icon for the installer where I want it installed and it's done. This is by far the best installation system I've seen. Dumbed down? It's user friendly IMHO, OSX does shit with less effort on my part. And like I said, I still have full control over anything I wanna change when I want to be a power uswr. It's the best of both worlds.

And Spaces & Expose just rock

 

[HAL9000]

When I first started using OSX, the full screen button not making it full screen really annoyed me. I went and downloaded an app that added that feature. But, after using it the Apple way for a few weeks. I hopped on my Win 7 and went looking for a program that did it like Apple's (couldn't find it, any one?) I prefer having windows how big they need to be, it just makes more sense to me.

My #2 OSX annoyance when I installed it was my Apple keyboard has the backspace as a delete key, WTF? But again after a few weeks using it it just started to make more sense to me. That button does delete a character. OSX is definitely not dumbed down, I still have full control over what I want, but when it comes times to install something I just drag the icon for the installer where I want it installed and it's done. This is by far the best installation system I've seen. Dumbed down? It's user friendly IMHO, OSX does shit with less effort on my part. And like I said, I still have full control over anything I wanna change when I want to be a power uswr. It's the best of both worlds.

And Spaces & Expose just rock

All of this.

 

[zerocool84]

The menu bar is awesome. The only reason not to like it is if you're accustomed to the way Windows handles menus.

One distinction that people who come from Windows don't understand is that Mac is a document-based OS where Windows is essentially an application manager.

In OS X, you're always in the context of the document you're working in at the time be it a Photoshop image or web page. Having the menu on top allows you to slam the mouse to the top on the screen to a consistent spot in order to do menu actions. In Windows it takes effort to hunt and tap at the current window's menu.

I am not arguing any approach is better is just saying just pointing out the distinctions.

I can understand why some might like it but I don't. I use Mac's a couple times a week for testing at work and have used them for years for work and I still can't used to it. I also don't like some other quirks.

 

[HeXen]

^could you be vague?

 

[Sureshot324]

Then drag your mouse into a corner of the screen with hot corners set up, let expose do the rest. Mac 1 - Windows 0

Lol seriously? Yet another solution that's considerably slower than just clicking on the taskbar.

 

[HAL9000]

Lol seriously? Yet another solution that's considerably slower than just clicking on the taskbar.

Really? Moving mouse to the bottom left then clicking on the window is slower than moving mouse to the bottom of the screen hovering over the app then clicking on the window?

 

[sourceninja]

No.

Especially if you have a lot of windows open, or don't have your hands on the keyboard.

Swipe 4 fingers down and click on the window you want. Magic pad = totally awesome.

 

[QueBert]

Lol seriously? Yet another solution that's considerably slower than just clicking on the taskbar.

You're doing it wrong, I typically have my mouse in the upper part of the screen so I have quicker access to the bar for whatever program I'm running. With a hot corner set up I do it faster than in Windows because there's far less mouse movement required. But I'd never go as far as to say it's considerably faster than in Windows. Expose as a whole though gives me a cleaner and faster workflow IMHO.

 

[DivideBYZero]

Lol seriously? Yet another solution that's considerably slower than just clicking on the taskbar.

Four finger swipe on track pad.

Haters gonna hate.

 

[Sureshot324]

You're doing it wrong, I typically have my mouse in the upper part of the screen so I have quicker access to the bar for whatever program I'm running. With a hot corner set up I do it faster than in Windows because there's far less mouse movement required. But I'd never go as far as to say it's considerably faster than in Windows. Expose as a whole though gives me a cleaner and faster workflow IMHO.

Really? Moving mouse to the bottom left then clicking on the window is slower than moving mouse to the bottom of the screen hovering over the app then clicking on the window?

Expose is nice, but it's basically a 3 step process.

1. Move mouse to corner (or 4 finger swipe)
2. Wait for Expose to arrange windows, and then look for the Window you want. In Windows since the taskbar is always there, you know where you're going to click before you even move the mouse. Since Expose loads a new screen, your brain has to pause for a moment to process this new screen, especially if you've opened a new window and the layout is different.
3. Move mouse to Window and click.

In Windows it's
1. Move mouse to Window and click.

If the Window you want happens to be the window Expose puts in the opposite corner, you're definitely going to be doing a lot more mouse movement than windows. Either way, you're doing 2 movements instead of one.

 

[Ns1]

Expose is nice, but it's basically a 3 step process.
.

what the hell is this?

imho expose = alt+tab on crack

 

[SSSnail]

Moving mouse to task bar = expose on crack.

 

[Ns1]

Moving mouse to task bar = expose on crack.

<moving mouse to task bar now>

no not really