So why do people hate OSX here so much?

[SSSnail]

<moving mouse to task bar now>

no not really

What OS are you using?

 

[Ns1]

What OS are you using?

Win7

 

[videogames101]

Can anyone honestly argue any function of a mouse is faster then key presses, ala alt-tab?

 

[alkemyst]

Can anyone honestly argue any function of a mouse is faster then key presses, ala alt-tab?

Depends on functions and what else you are doing.

 

[halik]

Moving mouse to task bar = expose on crack.

Not if you have a ton of stuff open, then the tabs get to 10x10px with none of the names being visible. That's where expose dominates.

 

[Oil]

I have a button on my mouse just for Expose. It is much more convenient than hitting F3 or moving over to a screen corner. Shit is so cash

 

[SSSnail]

If you have that much craps open at once, perhaps you need someone to look at your ADD...

Doesn't your task bar gives you a large thumb display of all the craps that are opened? When I have a crap tons of things opened, and when I move my mouse to the task bar, EACH program is acting like a folder that will display all the windows that are associated with that program. As an example, if I have 10 instances of Words opened, 11 instances of Firefox opened, 6 instances of CMD opened, etc... I'd have three icons on the task bar, and when I mouse over each icon, a row of interactive windows displaying a large thumb of each and every instance of that program that is running. I then click on the window I want to focus to. All that, just with a mouse movement and a single click.

Three icons, 27 instances of programs, one click (you can even preview a full view of the program before clicking). I'm pretty sure my task bar can fit more than three icons.

 

[TheStu]

If you have that much craps open at once, perhaps you need someone to look at your ADD...

Doesn't your task bar gives you a large thumb display of all the craps that are opened? When I have a crap tons of things opened, and when I move my mouse to the task bar, EACH program is acting like a folder that will display all the windows that are associated with that program. As an example, if I have 10 instances of Words opened, 11 instances of Firefox opened, 6 instances of CMD opened, etc... I'd have three icons on the task bar, and when I mouse over each icon, a row of interactive windows displaying a large thumb of each and every instance of that program that is running. I then click on the window I want to focus to. All that, just with a mouse movement and a single click.

Three icons, 27 instances of programs, one click (you can even preview a full view of the program before clicking). I'm pretty sure my task bar can fit more than three icons.

That assumes that you have grouping turned on (I think it is by default, but some turn it off), and then we are in the same realm of lack of speed that is argued for Expose, where now you are moving down to the taskbar, 'waiting' (Every time the previous guy said that I would roll my eyes, it is a half second if that, it is just the windows moving into position, there shouldn't be any serious waiting) for the AeroPeek to load, then moving the mouse into that confined space to select the window you want based on the small preview. Then, if you are using something that doesn't fully support it (I am looking at you Chrome) you then need to find the tab you want.

Neither system is perfect, but with the trackpad gestures, and BetterTouchTool if the default settings don't work for you, you really can do some great stuff with the trackpad. Switching spaces, activating Expose, scrolling, rotating, pinching, tons of stuff.

 

[RadiclDreamer]

Because an OSX computer is overpriced compared to it's Windows equivalent.

Not really, where else are you going to get something close to what the imac has to offer for a comparable price.

$1200 bucks for

21.5 in 1920x1200 monitor
4gb ram
quad core i5
6750 video
wireless a/b/g/n
DVD Writer
SD card reader
Aluminum Body
Wireless keyboard and touch sensitive mouse
HD Webcam with mic
Decent sounding speakers

If you can find something, its going to be some ugly turd that is nowhere close to being as thin or nice to look at.

 

[Anubis]

Not really, where else are you going to get something close to what the imac has to offer for a comparable price.

$1200 bucks for

21.5 in 1920x1200 monitor
4gb ram
quad core i5
6750 video
wireless a/b/g/n
DVD Writer
SD card reader
Aluminum Body
Wireless keyboard and touch sensitive mouse
HD Webcam with mic
Decent sounding speakers

If you can find something, its going to be some ugly turd that is nowhere close to being as thin or nice to look at.

oh noes a standard computer tower is SOOOOOOO ugly

 

[airdata]

The operating system is fine. The nazi tactic of licensing the software to overpriced hardware is not fine.

 

[RadiclDreamer]

oh noes a standard computer tower is SOOOOOOO ugly

I didnt say tower, i said all in one. Great for those areas where you need to save on space and dont want something looking like a piece of shit.

I'm not a mac fanboy by any means, but I own one and love it for what its for. I am mainly a pc gamer, but still love my mac.

 

[Ns1]

Not really, where else are you going to get something close to what the imac has to offer for a comparable price.

$1200 bucks for

21.5 in 1920x1200 monitor
4gb ram
quad core i5
6750 video
wireless a/b/g/n
DVD Writer
SD card reader
Aluminum Body
Wireless keyboard and touch sensitive mouse
HD Webcam with mic
Decent sounding speakers

If you can find something, its going to be some ugly turd that is nowhere close to being as thin or nice to look at.

just bought one for 1080 shipped :biggrin:

 

[sourceninja]

Expose is nice, but it's basically a 3 step process.

1. Move mouse to corner (or 4 finger swipe)
2. Wait for Expose to arrange windows, and then look for the Window you want. In Windows since the taskbar is always there, you know where you're going to click before you even move the mouse. Since Expose loads a new screen, your brain has to pause for a moment to process this new screen, especially if you've opened a new window and the layout is different.
3. Move mouse to Window and click.

In Windows it's
1. Move mouse to Window and click.

If the Window you want happens to be the window Expose puts in the opposite corner, you're definitely going to be doing a lot more mouse movement than windows. Either way, you're doing 2 movements instead of one.

The windows task bar is nice, but it's really a 4 step process.

1) Move mouse to task bar.
2) Read/identifiy icons to find the application you want. Because XP uses text, you have to read to discover what window you are looking for. Because windows 7 uses icons, you have to let your brain process the icons to figure out which icon is the application you are looking for. With OSX you just swipe, and look for a picture of the app you want and click it.
3) Hover mouse over icon to find the window you want
4) click window.

Do you see how silly you sound?

 

[Sureshot324]

The windows task bar is nice, but it's really a 4 step process.

1) Move mouse to task bar.
2) Read/identifiy icons to find the application you want. Because XP uses text, you have to read to discover what window you are looking for. Because windows 7 uses icons, you have to let your brain process the icons to figure out which icon is the application you are looking for. With OSX you just swipe, and look for a picture of the app you want and click it.
3) Hover mouse over icon to find the window you want
4) click window.

Do you see how silly you sound?

Both Xp and win7 show both an icon and text for an open window. Most people don't combine taskbar windows, so step 3 is moot.

The taskbar works just like a mini expose. It's a bunch of large buttons for each window. For me having a mini pic of the whole window instead of icon+text isn't worth going to a whole separate screen and I'm going to leave it at that. To each his own.

 

[Shlong]

just bought one for 1080 shipped :biggrin:

IPS monitor? Also does that include the cost of Windows?

 

[Ns1]

IPS monitor? Also does that include the cost of Windows?

No, I bought a new 2011 iMac for 1080 shipped.

Yes, that's right bitches. Envy.

 

[irishScott]

I didnt say tower, i said all in one. Great for those areas where you need to save on space and dont want something looking like a piece of shit.

I'm not a mac fanboy by any means, but I own one and love it for what its for. I am mainly a pc gamer, but still love my mac.

I could go on newegg and find a way to build something superior for cheaper, but you've already disqualified any other option as not fitting your delicate aesthetic sensibilities.

 

[Ns1]

I could go on newegg and find a way to build something superior for cheaper, but you've already disqualified any other option as not fitting your delicate aesthetic sensibilities.

time = money

 

[Chaotic42]

I didnt say tower, i said all in one. Great for those areas where you need to save on space and dont want something looking like a piece of shit.

I'm not a mac fanboy by any means, but I own one and love it for what its for. I am mainly a pc gamer, but still love my mac.

I don't see where you said all in one

Yes, Macs tend to look better. I don't know why PC manufacturers don't start making some more interesting designs. Of course, I'd be happy with the pizza box systems... and I looooove beige.

 

[zerocool84]

I don't see where you said all in one

Yes, Macs tend to look better. I don't know why PC manufacturers don't start making some more interesting designs. Of course, I'd be happy with the pizza box systems... and I looooove beige.

I don't even remember the last time a computer was beige. Plus who cares if it's beige? Macs looking better are entirely subjective. I don't think they look that good at all. I'm sure if they started charging Apple prices they could make a better looking product.

 

[Anubis]

ill admit the new all in one macs look sleek but they had their share of hideously ugly computers. the multy colored imacs as well as that one with the bendy neck

 

[TheStu]

I don't even remember the last time a computer was beige. Plus who cares if it's beige? Macs looking better are entirely subjective. I don't think they look that good at all. I'm sure if they started charging Apple prices they could make a better looking product.

Look at Dell. The Adamo was a very nice looking piece of kit. Starting retail price was $2000 which was more than the MacBook Air was at the time. And Dell finally got the price down to about $899 when the newest MBAs came out, but then Dell discontinued them.

Or look at HP, they acquired Voodoo, and released the Envy 133, which was thinner than the Air and had some nice features, like a wireless router built into the powerbrick, so you could still 'use' a wired connection. But it too was just as much as the MBA (or maybe more), and they almost immediately stopped selling it.

The only maker that I can think of that is still making their MBA competitor is Lenovo. They released the X300 at around the same time as the original Air, and since then they have released others to take its place. And their prices are actually pretty good in comparison. There are tradeoffs on both sides, the Lenovo has a removable battery and starts out cheaper, the Air has an SSD standard and is thinner and lighter.

 

[Kaido]

Apple fanboy here, but sometimes I like to play both sides of the fence:

http://blog.macsales.com/10146-apple-further-restricts-upgrade-options-on-new-imacs

"For the main 3.5&#8243; SATA hard drive bay in the new 2011 machines, Apple has altered the SATA power connector itself from a standard 4-wire power configuration to a 7-wire configuration. Hard drive temperature control is regulated by a combination of this cable and Apple proprietary firmware on the hard drive itself. From our testing, we&#8217;ve found that removing this drive from the system, or even from that bay itself, causes the machine&#8217;s hard drive fans to spin at maximum speed and replacing the drive with any non-Apple original drive will result in the iMac failing the Apple Hardware Test (AHT)."

 

[MovingTarget]

It has its advantages and disadvantages. Us cross-platform folk don't hate apple, nor windows, nor *nix...we see them for what they are - options. Either that, or we are pussies because we can't choose a side.